Where is MAURA MURRAY

I found it recently was tired of hearing it
was in an accident!
Took photographs to prove in wasn't in an accident!
Sorry I try to shoot everything my mind isn't want it use to be!

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text> Why would there be recent photo's of the SUV? I thought it was auctioned off several years back?

Thanks for finding this!

elsewherebriefly wrote:

Mcsmom,
I did some digging earlier and found the post I was referencing to Wowzer and the one you are asking White Wash about. I quoted it in post #7635.
I was, mistakenly, given the impression that it was located by LE after it was auctioned and photographed by LE as well.

My question is still the same!!
If the SUV was in an accident with Maura
how could he pass them on Goose Lane?
Why would anyone who was just in an accident
take it to a place where what 20 people would
see it?

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>What the witness said is that they saw an SUV with the number 01. But did not see any one.They stated that the SUV was nose to nose with the saturn that was on the side of the road.

I was under the impression we got it used so maybe from Littleton to us perhaps more than
happy to see what I can find out.
To my knowledge that SUV wasn't sold for a while
and a private citizen now owns it which was comfirmed to me that day by the town manager.

problem solver wrote:

It was always my information that the damaged SUV was sold to another LE police force following Maura's disappearance. Isn't it correct that after being cleared, it went to Littleton White Wash?

Harry wrote:

Maybe Maura Murray and possibly others were wanted for their pituitary glands, or something similar. Maybe a really rich person (a runner or swimmer) wanted to live a very long, healthy life and believed that the best source was human growth hormone derived from living athletes - a kind of hi-tech canabalism. As opposed to the low-tech canabalism believed to have been suffered by Michael Rockefeller, the youngest son of Nelson Aldrich Rockefeller and half-brother of Nelson Rockefeller, Jr.
Some very wealthy people have killed other non-human mammals in a modern medical environment, as long as 40-50 years ago, in order to have transplanted or infused into them the animals' tissue or blood or whatever it was. There is absolutely an ongoing, thriving, and lucrative trade in body parts illegally acquired from the recently deceased. At some point, the two will be combined, if they haven't already.
At some point in the progression of medical science, some fringe element of the medical community, possibly with massive "funding," is going to cross a line none of the general public would ever believe possible. There is no reason to think that line has not already been crossed. Possibly with the assistance of someone with access to a very large pool of medical records.

Just a comment, since the "judging" system is less effective unless one absolutely agrees or disagrees with a comment.

Indeed, the gruesome possibilities you describe may exist, and may even be practiced today.

Once again, Maura's disappearance lends itself to any number of scenarios, which are freely offered and considered here.

But, IMHO, this is kind of far out...anyone agree?

SUV hitting Maura just to be clear!
Not of Maura's accident!

White Wash wrote:

I found it recently was tired of hearing it
was in an accident!
Took photographs to prove in wasn't in an accident!
Sorry I try to shoot everything my mind isn't want it use to be!
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white wash...thank you for your reply.

I thought I was loosing my mind there for a moment...glad to know that you again confirm LE auctioned the same vehicle that CS drove the night of Feb 9, 2004 and then re-acquired it.
I'm glad we got that straight!
Phew!
(I wonder what happened to the original post?)

JMO wrote:

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Just a comment, since the "judging" system is less effective unless one absolutely agrees or disagrees with a comment.
Indeed, the gruesome possibilities you describe may exist, and may even be practiced today.
Once again, Maura's disappearance lends itself to any number of scenarios, which are freely offered and considered here.
But, IMHO, this is kind of far out...anyone agree?

I fully agree something like this sounds to the average person pretty far out there. And it is, in actual practice, very, very far out there. Without a doubt, it's one of the most atrocious things imaginable. But it happens. And there is a (largely unknown) history of it right in this country.

Below excerpt from: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Alleged_kidney_ha...

Accused kidney racketeer Amit Kumar has been arrested in Nepal at a jungle resort near Chitwan. Police are still seeking suspected co-conspirators, including Kumar's brother Jeevan Rawat. Nepalese police are holding Kumar under currency laws, charging that he was in possession of large amounts of United States dollars and Euros. Nepal has strict laws about foreign currency.

Kumar, who had become the subject of an international manhunt for allegedly harvesting hundreds of kidneys of poor people in India for transplantation to wealthy clients. He is said to have done so through a mixture of bribes and coercion.

One victim, known as Ranjinder, told Times of India that, "We were shifted from one vehicle to another and were confused about where we were. The Nepali driver promised me the job of a cook at a guesthouse. I was taken to a house where I cooked for the first few days." He was told that blood tests were necessary to protect the health of the guests at the house. Dalip, another laborer, said, "They told us it was necessary since the foreign guests were prone to infections. There were two men inside the house with pistols."

Both Ranjinder and Dalip were anasthesised and woke up after their kidneys had been removed.

"Initially they lured the poor with promises of employment. They were then convinced to part with their kidneys and a deal was negotiated," said a police official.

Below (gruesome possibility) from:

http://www.medindia.net/news/healthwatch/US-O...

Michael Mastromarino, 44, was arrested nearly two years ago, and this month he is to plead guilty, it has been announced.

Mastromarino and two of his associates were charged in 2006 with enterprise corruption, body stealing, opening graves, unlawful dissection and forgery.

Authorities released photos of exhumed corpses that were boned below the waist. They said the defendants had made a crude attempt to cover their tracks by sewing PVC pipe back into the bodies in time for open-casket wakes.

The former dentist went to funeral homes and extracted bone, tendons and skin from corpses without the consent of relatives. Later his Biomedical Tissue Services (BTS) shipped coolers full of tissue to hospitals for surgeries. About 10,000 people received tissue supplied by BTS, it has been estimated.
A dead body can be worth tens of thousands of dollars when it is dissected for parts.

Hundreds of very live Americans are walking around with pieces of the wrong dead people inside of them – that was a remarkably graphic, almost stomach-churning, comment from the Washington Post last year.

Mastromarino’s has been an extraordinarily colourful story, or sickening, as you please.
He had earned degrees in dentistry and dental surgery from New York University.

By the late 1990s, he had practices in midtown Manhattan, New York and New Jersey. He went on to co-author a book,“Smile: How Dental Implants Can Transform Your Life”; the blurb on the inside cover said he traveled the country, lecturing about bone grafting techniques for implants.

John Pipolo — a dental technician who worked side-by-side with Mastromarino until 1999 and co-authored “Smile”— described him as “the Mickey Mantle of oral surgeons” for his willingness to “do surgeries other doctors wouldn’t dare attempt.”

But then his drug addiction proved his undoing, at that stage, that is. He was arrested in July 2000 in New Jersey for drug possession and being under the influence of a controlled substance. One of his patients accused Mastromarino of deserting him mid-operation.
He was found, according to the lawsuit, in his bathroom with a hypodermic needle stuck in his arm, blood on the floor. Mastromarino surrendered his dental license, went into rehab but branched off into the tissue recovery business on discharge.

He had used bone implants extensively in his oral surgery and had done research on the topic, his lawyers said. So that came in handy in the next phase.

An Athol Massachusetts woman is suing after having received a bone transplant at UMass Memorial Hospital. The transplanted bone had been stolen from a dead person.(Her attorney is also representing in another civil case the parents of murdered Roman Catholic altar boy Danny Croteau.)

Stolen body parts have been used thousands of times at well-recognized medical facilities across the nation. Usually, the parts are from dead people. But sometimes they were harvested from the living. If there is a demand from people with enough money to pay for it, someone will try it.

Yes, Harry....I have previously read about these horrors, especially in India.

Many possibilities exist to explain Maura's disappearance...but none can be validated without an additional clue or a witness coming forward.

There seems to be no amount of money or enough available resources to uncover the truth until someone reports new information, or she reappears, or her body is found.

Lots of beagles are raised for hunting. Many of those who don't make it as hunting stock are sold to the medical research business. In fact, the beagle is the dog most frequently used in medical and other kinds of reasearch performed regularly on dogs.

It's entirely possible that someone who raises hunting beagles also sells some of his litters for use in research - to be experimented on. So he might already have contacts in the field of experimentation on mammals. Just like the dentist from New Jersey. In fact, the person who raises hunting beagles might himself be a hunter.

There is alreay a well established market for human body parts. All different kinds. Most are from the deceased, or brain dead, but some are from the living. There is no reason to think that the use of body parts stolen from the living is not now happening. It IS happening, and happening more and more all the time. For a variety of reasons.

But a lot of people don't want a body part from someone from a country outside the U.S.- India or Pakistan, for example. They want a nice white person body part. Young, athletic...

Maybe the Vasi hit bears another look.

Below from: http://www.medindia.net/news/healthwatch/US-O...

Using his contacts with companies that produced material for dental implants, Mastromarino opened the Biomedical Tissue Services in Fort Lee, New Jersey in 2001 . The next year he sought licensing to do business in New York and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) gave its nod, without asking too many questions.

And the booming industry was in constant need of new sources of raw material: Between 1994 and 2003, the number of bones grafts distributed for implantation grew six-fold, to 1.3 million, said P. Robert Rigney, Jr., chief executive of the American Association of Tissue Banks.
The body parts, though no longer of any value to their owners, became big business for Mastromarino. His lawyer said he was among the first in the industry to figure out that one way to meet the high demand for donated human tissue — traditionally procured in the controlled environment of hospitals — was to turn to funeral homes.

Deals were cut with funeral directors in New York City, Rochester, New York, Philadelphia and New Jersey: BTS would pay a $1,000 “facility fee” to harvest body parts on their premises. For dental implants, hip replacements and the like one could confidently turn to BTS.

As early as September 2003, the FDA detected trouble.

In a routine inspection, an investigator found evidence the company had failed to properly sterilize its equipment, and had no records of how it had disposed of tissue that failed screening for HIV, hepatitis and syphilis.

But nothing came of it. The FDA backed off after Mastromarino insisted he had voluntarily cleaned up his operation. In a letter, he told officials he would “look forward to your agency revisiting our facility.”

Meanwhile, money rolled in. Processors who bought from Mastromarino — one body could bring the company $7,000 — were more interested in his ability to meet demand than in the man himself.

“We had very little contact with him,” said Marshall Cothran, chief executive of Central Texas Regional Blood and Tissue Center.

But the saga unraveled in late 2005 and the FDA finally shut down BTS amid its own investigation. The agency said it had uncovered evidence the firm failed to screen for contaminated tissue.

The scandal raised questions about the safety and proper supervision of a billion-dollar-a-year industry that supplied skin and tissue for 1 million tissue transplants each year. But patients are most confounded by the skin-crawling fact that no one knows from whom the bone and tissue was harvested.

Heather Augustin, 42, who had two disks in her neck removed last year, supposedly replaced with bone taken from a youngish corpse, was horrified to learn three months later that her new neck bone had in fact come from rogue funeral homes, likely from the cadaver of a very old person.

"You think,'I'm carrying a bone in my neck from someone who didn't want to get chopped up,' " she said. "I'm, like, in total shock. What am I supposed to do with these thoughts?"

Mastromarino, who is behind bars, could go on trial as early as next month. His lawyer said instead he would enter the guilty plea Jan. 22 and face 18 to 54 years in prison.

I think that some people are not waiting for the phone to ring, not waiting around to be told an organ donor has been found. Some people are finding their own organ donors.

And there are some people who simply want to live longer and healthier and who believe that "fresh" human growth hormone is the best choice, especially if it comes from a specific person.

Harry wrote:

I think that some people are not waiting for the phone to ring, not waiting around to be told an organ donor has been found. Some people are finding their own organ donors.
And there are some people who simply want to live longer and healthier and who believe that "fresh" human growth hormone is the best choice, especially if it comes from a specific person.

Hey, you never know. Can't disagree. Awful, terrible prospect...and v. hard to prove in Maura's situation.

JMO wrote:

Yes, Harry....I have previously read about these horrors, especially in India.
Many possibilities exist to explain Maura's disappearance...but none can be validated without an additional clue or a witness coming forward.
There seems to be no amount of money or enough available resources to uncover the truth until someone reports new information, or she reappears, or her body is found.

And who is going to help? No one attacked and intimidated is likely to step forward. Nor can much help be expected from anyone who has read the intimidating and hateful online discussions of her disappearance.

It's usually best to test drive a car before committing to its purchase. If the car doesn't perform or sound right or if the salesman is pushy or seems dishonest, then it's best to buy a car somewhere else.

Anyone who gives poisonous, inflamatory posting a higher priority than finding Maura Murray and/or what happened to her is not much interested in finding her or the reason(s) for her disappearance.

JMO wrote:

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Hey, you never know. Can't disagree. Awful, terrible prospect...and v. hard to prove in Maura's situation.

Maybe hard to prove, yes, but proof is not necessarily where you start your search for the right path to the truth. You don't always know which path will turn out to be the right one. From a purely objective point of view, early indications of a correct scenario that the average person is unfamiliar with, and therefore finds difficult to believe, might be stronger than indications derived from the crash scene in Haverhill.

My great-grandfather was a sea captain, and I recall stories of how he scoffed, along with the majority of the local population, at the possibility of wireless communication across the Atlantic, an ocean he had sailed many times. But there was this guy named Marconi who knew a little something about radio waves and other really weird, far out stuff...

Marconi did not KNOW he was right until he actually tried out his radio a few times. His detractors might have given him the benefit of the doubt, but they were essentially scared of something they could not grasp.

Harry wrote:

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And who is going to help? No one attacked and intimidated is likely to step forward. Nor can much help be expected from anyone who has read the intimidating and hateful online discussions of her disappearance.
It's usually best to test drive a car before committing to its purchase. If the car doesn't perform or sound right or if the salesman is pushy or seems dishonest, then it's best to buy a car somewhere else.
Anyone who gives poisonous, inflamatory posting a higher priority than finding Maura Murray and/or what happened to her is not much interested in finding her or the reason(s) for her disappearance.

It doesn't matter who you are, or who you say you are, or your personal background/marital status, or your purpose or credentials here...it is obvious you have knowledge of and/or ties to the various individuals/institutions/corpo rations that you have referenced over a period of months.
Or
You're a HELLUVA good researcher and investigator of some sort.

Often, your 'thinking out loud' seems random and disjointed....but the larger view is one that thoroughly explores options in and around the UMASS/Amherst connection.

A number of years ago during the course of a family member's treatment at UMASS Worcester for an ortho sports injury, I had occasion to pass by the tissue/research dept. on the lower levels....which I simply noted with interest.

I then read the article about tissue procurement and the suit that was filed...but I wouldn't have considered the possibilities you've put together. BTW, I am not casting ANY malice toward UMASS Worcester...lifesavers...our experience was excellent.

Point is, your ideas merit respect and follow-up.

And, as you say...."who is going to help?".

It's been going on five years now. There's no reason that alternative scenarios cannot be included in the mix with more conventional ones. Times are changing and serial killers are not the only ones out there killing a series of people.

But if certain types of scenarios bring a lot of heat, if they attract a lot of unnecessary and destructive criticism, then maybe that says something. And it sure might keep the person from advocating not THE reason she may have disappeared, but A reason she might have disappeared from providing a fuller account in a more rational way.

After almost five years, what's anyone honest got to lose by looking at something different?

Harry wrote:

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Maybe hard to prove, yes, but proof is not necessarily where you start your search for the right path to the truth. You don't always know which path will turn out to be the right one. From a purely objective point of view, early indications of a correct scenario that the average person is unfamiliar with, and therefore finds difficult to believe, might be stronger than indications derived from the crash scene in Haverhill.
My great-grandfather was a sea captain, and I recall stories of how he scoffed, along with the majority of the local population, at the possibility of wireless communication across the Atlantic, an ocean he had sailed many times. But there was this guy named Marconi who knew a little something about radio waves and other really weird, far out stuff...
Marconi did not KNOW he was right until he actually tried out his radio a few times. His detractors might have given him the benefit of the doubt, but they were essentially scared of something they could not grasp.

Agree.

To be fair, this also means our minds should be more open to and tolerant of the 'psychic' stuff, too...which I happen to personally find less palatable and without a reality/scientific basis. sigh.

While some squarely blame the AG/LE of NH for their investigative methods, it seems reasonable to state that this body of authority has a human pulse...they are not fallible. What appeared to be obvious in the early weeks and months may prove to be misinformation. I don't regard them as an evil entity...the search must simply go on.