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WTF

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PS regarding suicide..where and how could she hide her own body?.
People disappear in the woods of the White Mountains for decades and longer. Not a challenge at all.

Robert Sypek was missing for 2 years and they knew where he went in the woods others have disappeared for decades.

People who don't actually go into the woods and especially those that don't venture off trail have no idea how large an area it is.

B.
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Nov 17, 2008
 
Shack wrote:
looking4...the following is only one of several sites about Becket School
http://www.becket.org/schools/east_haverhill_...
Sophie, just shake your head and snicker. And, think amusing thoughts about genetic testing in Haverhill. Ya know, "I'm my own grampaaah".
Perhaps some of the residents are just plain angry because we know about so many criminal activities in the area. Maybe it has just been that way and they accept it. They don't want "outsiders" knowing their business.
Just wondering, why you would make a statement like this while you claim you only want to find Maura? I know you said it was about a song but that's not how I'm reading it with the "genetic testing" words. Why would you want to discourage help from the Haverhill area by making such a hurtful comment?
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sheesh wrote:
Maura took tylenol PM for a running injury. what did she take during the day for that injury? why only tylenol PM.??
According to Sharon, the Tylenol PM (which *I* had assumed was for the running injury, so if this confusion is my fault, I apologise) was because Maura had trouble sleeping when she was away from home. She often took it to help her sleep while visiting the Rausches, too.(Tylenol PM is essentially Tylenol with benadryl in it, before anyone goes off and accuses Maura of having a substance abuse problem by tying it to the alcohol.)

So she may not have been taking ANYTHING for her injury during the day. Also, I know from experience that running injuries that are muscle-related often bother you more at night when you are trying to sleep than in the day when you are able to move around and stretch it periodically.

Those looking for a fluffy tail, I am buried up past it in work, so I haven't been reading as much lately. But I haven't gone anywhere. Not to worry.

Also? I can't help but notice two things. One is that White Wash disappears while there's fruitful discussion, and then when things start to get accusatory and inflammatory and name calling starts, she pops right in and fans the flams.

The second thing is that she comes in here and accuses people of not searching for information and sticking to the facts, but she does not post facts. She posts accusations, fans flames, things that appear to be facts, and then when asked about the facts......either posts more accusations or disappears into the woodwork.

Several pages back by now, I asked White Wash to confirm something she posted as fact. She has not yet done so. I am noting this in particular because it is part of a pattern of behaviour.

I will ask again now.

WHITE WASH: You stated previously "why else would they ask for a DNA sample unless they had tested the airbags?" I noted evidence to the contrary that they had collected DNA evidence (from a toothbrush, a hairbrush, etc) to test against the underwear (you got all bent out of shape because I called them drawers--I never pretended to be LE or use their terminology, so that was entirely misplaced energy, as I was never pretending to answer the question you asked about the terminology and even stated so) that Kathleen found.

So I asked you. As I ask again.

WHITE WASH: Was there ever DNA testing done on EITHER OR BOTH of the airbags from the Saturn? If so, what were the results?

I will continue to wait for your answer. I have a feeling I will be waiting for quite a while, unless you decide to change your tactics.
WTF

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elsewherebriefly wrote:
<quoted text>Maura's is a major criminal investigation being treated as a potential homicide with the 75% chance of a conviction.
This can’t be right. It was a 75% chance a year or two ago. Surely by now it must be what??? 85% 95%. It might be 99%. Boy, wouldn’t that make everyone feel good. I’ll wait until someone says they have a warrant for an arrest. That will make me think 100% which actually has meaning.

And while we are picking nits here. It cannot possibly be a “75% chance of a conviction” not unless they can read the mind of jurors that haven't even been picked yet. Especially since they haven’t even named any suspect(s). I believe that it is more likely they are saying a 75% chance OF INDICTMENT. Maybe a subtle but a very important difference.

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Nov 17, 2008
 
sheesh wrote:
TY PM along with a lot of alcohol is deadly. That is why is it is questionable.
Anything out of proportion can be deadly. However, Tylenol PM, as stated above, is basically Tylenol with Benadryl. And Tylenol PM when Maura was away from home was normal.

Tylenol PM plus alcohol being deadly is a stretch. It can be potentially harmful, yes, in mass quantities OF BOTH, but so can driving a car. Or drinking too much water in a short period of time. Or crossing the street. I don't think there's a conspiracy there.

I think people were asking about the Tylenol PM under the (apparently false, according to Sharon) assumption that it was for Maura's pulled hamstring, and they wondered what other drugs she might be taking during the day. Presumably to find out if it might have altered her perception, behaviour, mood, reaction times, etc.

A woman is missing. Everything needs to be looked at. The big picture, AND the "menial" things. And in this case, so much of what we have is just the minutiae. We're trying to FORM the big picture.
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WHITE WASH wrote:
Another Excellent Question!
Which you will not get answer for!
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Except you just did. Hello, pot? This is kettle.

MAURA WAS NOT TAKING TYLENOL PM FOR A RUNNING INJURY. This is according to Sharon, Billy's mom. Maura was taking Tylenol PM because when she was away from home, she had trouble sleeping.

Therefore, it's unlikely she was taking anything at all--day or night--for her hamstring injury. Also, if my understanding of the nature of her injury is correct, there's pretty much nothing TO take, except anti-inflammatories such as ibuprofen. There's not a lot you do for a muscle injury, except rest it, ice it, and take anti-inflammatories.
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Philip, I don't find anything necessarily odd in Maura's closeness with her father. Not judging you or slamming you at all--I just have a perspective you may not have, being a woman who is very close to her father (closer than her other siblings, by chance).

In addition to a father-daughter relationship, Maura and Fred seem to be friends. That is a wonderful thing, and something that it might be hard to understand if you don't have adult children of your own or a similar bond with one of your own parents (this is not "you" specific to Philip but rather "one") A visit every three weeks or every month or so is not out of the ordinary. Particularly after West Point, where first year students are extremely restricted in visits to and from outside the campus.
Anne

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Nov 17, 2008
 
WTF wrote:
I have been away camping in those dangerous woods in NH with no computer access. It has taken me a little time to try to figure out some of the conversation here. What I have figured out is that someone from Atlanta GA is using my moniker. That was not me. Anne was able to determine, from the lack of quality of the writing, no doubt ;) it wasn't me either. I don't know the extent of what has been said but I saw one remark in another forum (Deal reached for N.H. man...) that was not me. So far it appears that the person is from GA though that might be able to be faked. I have only been to GA once and don't plan on returning so if you see a WTF response from the state of GA it isn't me.
Bill
Thank you for confirming an imposter pretending to be you....
sophie bean

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Nov 17, 2008
 
WTF, I am sorry that it appears that Chris King has borrowed your identity, no doubt with your permission (I'm kidding, I don't believe that at all.) It kind of does highlight the fact that identity is not so easy to prove online.

But then, I am well-known to be biased since - unbeknownst to me - I am related to LK by nonexistent, never-was marriage, according to my nonexistent older sister.

Yeah, it's hard to keep up, even if you want to.
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#7988
Nov 17, 2008
 
I'm curious as to who this supossed 'conviction' will go to ?
Quija

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Nov 17, 2008
 
Some pages ago a poster wondered why th CW isn't discussed here much. Is he still living at the corner in the new house where his trailer was? Still working and going about life as before? Do posters think he's just a grumpy, embittered jerk who enjoys obstructing the LE's investigation? Heard he was an unpleasant, abusive man. Did he report his sighting of "a youngster running and hiding" in April or so, after a reward was offered? Long after it was known Maura was a runner? Never having met him, I have the "gut feeling" he delights in throwing a wrench into the works of others.(OMG - could he be one of the distracting posters here???????) Also "feel" he's smug like someone would who has a secret --- like knowing he was the one to give Maura a lift somewhere, and he'd be damned before giving out that helpful information. No facts here --- just tossing around in a small brain the timing of his return from that day's job in Franconia, his toying around with what he said he remembered doing that night (sleeping in front of the t.v.-- AT 1:00AM no less!!!, never seeing or hearing activity at the snowbank, etc.) He probably had nothing to do with Maura, IMO, because if it had been me who'd given her a ride I'd be terrified she left a hair, a tear, a kleenex, or a fiber in the vehicle, even if the ride was an innocent one. I'd be standing guard over my vehicle 24/7... He knew the police would need a warrant, but there were enough other interested citizens around that you'd think he'd be jumpy about that....
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Especially since her "KIN" are still
here and she is from here!
So wouldn't that make her
Wondering wrote:
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Just wondering, why you would make a statement like this while you claim you only want to find Maura? I know you said it was about a song but that's not how I'm reading it with the "genetic testing" words. Why would you want to discourage help from the Haverhill area by making such a hurtful comment?
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Nov 17, 2008
 
So how is that list coming of what was in the car?
How about that witness name from Cottage?
How that receipt for the knife coming?

FireCat I was a Daddy's Girl and oddly I wouldn't have thought to wake him up at 2:30 unless something was wrong!

Watch the fluffy tail wouldn't want Shack's Rocking Chair to rock over it!
FireCat wrote:
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According to Sharon, the Tylenol PM (which *I* had assumed was for the running injury, so if this confusion is my fault, I apologise) was because Maura had trouble sleeping when she was away from home. She often took it to help her sleep while visiting the Rausches, too.(Tylenol PM is essentially Tylenol with benadryl in it, before anyone goes off and accuses Maura of having a substance abuse problem by tying it to the alcohol.)
So she may not have been taking ANYTHING for her injury during the day. Also, I know from experience that running injuries that are muscle-related often bother you more at night when you are trying to sleep than in the day when you are able to move around and stretch it periodically.
Those looking for a fluffy tail, I am buried up past it in work, so I haven't been reading as much lately. But I haven't gone anywhere. Not to worry.
Also? I can't help but notice two things. One is that White Wash disappears while there's fruitful discussion, and then when things start to get accusatory and inflammatory and name calling starts, she pops right in and fans the flams.
The second thing is that she comes in here and accuses people of not searching for information and sticking to the facts, but she does not post facts. She posts accusations, fans flames, things that appear to be facts, and then when asked about the facts......either posts more accusations or disappears into the woodwork.
Several pages back by now, I asked White Wash to confirm something she posted as fact. She has not yet done so. I am noting this in particular because it is part of a pattern of behaviour.
I will ask again now.
WHITE WASH: You stated previously "why else would they ask for a DNA sample unless they had tested the airbags?" I noted evidence to the contrary that they had collected DNA evidence (from a toothbrush, a hairbrush, etc) to test against the underwear (you got all bent out of shape because I called them drawers--I never pretended to be LE or use their terminology, so that was entirely misplaced energy, as I was never pretending to answer the question you asked about the terminology and even stated so) that Kathleen found.
So I asked you. As I ask again.
WHITE WASH: Was there ever DNA testing done on EITHER OR BOTH of the airbags from the Saturn? If so, what were the results?
I will continue to wait for your answer. I have a feeling I will be waiting for quite a while, unless you decide to change your tactics.
White Wash

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Odd you'd think as busy as Maura was she would
just fall asleep from being exhausted!

Why is that people have issues falling a sleep FireCat?

Surely someone with such a perfect life would
sleep soundly wouldn't one think?

Sadly lots of us go away when you pal
get's out the kitty soap box and starts "If I share my feelings my thoughts" and the "cover up"
FireCat wrote:
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Except you just did. Hello, pot? This is kettle.
MAURA WAS NOT TAKING TYLENOL PM FOR A RUNNING INJURY. This is according to Sharon, Billy's mom. Maura was taking Tylenol PM because when she was away from home, she had trouble sleeping.
Therefore, it's unlikely she was taking anything at all--day or night--for her hamstring injury. Also, if my understanding of the nature of her injury is correct, there's pretty much nothing TO take, except anti-inflammatories such as ibuprofen. There's not a lot you do for a muscle injury, except rest it, ice it, and take anti-inflammatories.
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To those who are still really searchig for answers for Maura - I am sorry, I can't or will not do this any longer. I will not swim in this sewer for another moment. I have seen how some from this area are "wired" -and I want nothing to do with them. They are violent, hateful, threatening, and will stop at NOTHING. Please be careful. These are DANGEROUS, rage-filled people to whom truth, justice, fairness and kindness mean less than nothing. I have seen the interent get nasty. I have never seen anything to approach this level of viciousness. It is frightening, and I am not easily frightened.

I feel deeply saddened for people of the area who are living under the shadow of this level of oppression and violence. I can only hope and pray that they will see what's going on and put a stop to it. I also hope and pray that they will address it in the safest possible way for themselves.

My friends, be safe and God bless.
The rest of you - you know who you are - take a long look in the mirror, and try sleeping well knowing all that you know. I hope that you are feeling really proud of yourselves, least of all for what's happened here in the past week. Perhaps you will now feel that you've "won" - really, do I even need to ask that question? I'm sure that you believe it.
Karma happens.
Quija

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#7994
Nov 17, 2008
 
75% chance of a conviction. Thousands of pages of police documents. Many here can't stop trying to understand where Maura is and what happened with her --- using word "with", spinning it toward hope she is alive.

Only a fraction of what is known has been released. Although enormously frustrating, it would be worth it if Maura's disappearance is still being actively investigated....

I don't think this link is off-topic: http://www.truecrimediary.com/index.cfm...

It's an example of "not much seeming to be happening" in the murder case of Robert Wone, yet much later the evidence and the witnesses' true observations are revealed, here, in this recent update:

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article...

It's a different case but justice and outrage are the unifiers in so many of these crimes. Driving by the spot Sarah Pryor was abducted makes me feel helpless about all the others; and also enraged at those who haven't been punished for their crimes ----- yet. Sorry for the long post...
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Nov 17, 2008
 
WTF wrote:
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This can’t be right. It was a 75% chance a year or two ago. Surely by now it must be what??? 85% 95%. It might be 99%. Boy, wouldn’t that make everyone feel good. I’ll wait until someone says they have a warrant for an arrest. That will make me think 100% which actually has meaning.
And while we are picking nits here. It cannot possibly be a “75% chance of a conviction” not unless they can read the mind of jurors that haven't even been picked yet. Especially since they haven’t even named any suspect(s). I believe that it is more likely they are saying a 75% chance OF INDICTMENT. Maybe a subtle but a very important difference.
Bill
It was what was stated under oath on the stand during in Supreme Court during Murray vs. New Hampshire State Police.

Just conveying facts, be snide, poke fun, make a mockery of it, consider it nit picking or whatever you want.

That was a statement reflected in the court transcripts made by the NHSP under on the stand under oath.
White Wash

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Nov 17, 2008
 
The times I have dealt with him he has been
very pleasant to me!
I was told that he said to a neighbor he thought he saw someone running after they where talking about it.
So this neighbor said something to the store owner
who called Fred!
CW did contact the NHSP.
CW had a girlfriend she left when it got nasty
rightly so!
He has the same GF for the last 4 years now!
Works!
House is on the market!
Nasty Divorce!
The trailer as Shack has stated was seen with crime tape around it?
He met several times will LE so why could that
obstruction?
Would you really open your yard house ect to people who tossed you under the media bus?
Not that I think he has a computer but he
shops and lives in the area.
Do you think he can SBD didn't hear and read all the crap said about them?
With what proof?
Quija wrote:
Some pages ago a poster wondered why th CW isn't discussed here much. Is he still living at the corner in the new house where his trailer was? Still working and going about life as before? Do posters think he's just a grumpy, embittered jerk who enjoys obstructing the LE's investigation? Heard he was an unpleasant, abusive man. Did he report his sighting of "a youngster running and hiding" in April or so, after a reward was offered? Long after it was known Maura was a runner? Never having met him, I have the "gut feeling" he delights in throwing a wrench into the works of others.(OMG - could he be one of the distracting posters here???????) Also "feel" he's smug like someone would who has a secret --- like knowing he was the one to give Maura a lift somewhere, and he'd be damned before giving out that helpful information. No facts here --- just tossing around in a small brain the timing of his return from that day's job in Franconia, his toying around with what he said he remembered doing that night (sleeping in front of the t.v.-- AT 1:00AM no less!!!, never seeing or hearing activity at the snowbank, etc.) He probably had nothing to do with Maura, IMO, because if it had been me who'd given her a ride I'd be terrified she left a hair, a tear, a kleenex, or a fiber in the vehicle, even if the ride was an innocent one. I'd be standing guard over my vehicle 24/7... He knew the police would need a warrant, but there were enough other interested citizens around that you'd think he'd be jumpy about that....
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Nov 17, 2008
 
oops, on the stand under oath.
WTF

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sophie bean wrote:
WTF, I am sorry that it appears that Chris King has borrowed your identity, no doubt with your permission (I'm kidding, I don't believe that at all.) It kind of does highlight the fact that identity is not so easy to prove online.
But then, I am well-known to be biased since - unbeknownst to me - I am related to LK by nonexistent, never-was marriage, according to my nonexistent older sister.
Yeah, it's hard to keep up, even if you want to.
No apology needed from you. You had nothing to do with it. I find it hard to believe it was done without malice though I suppose it is possible.

You are correct in that it can be very difficult to tell who is actually typing on the other end.

While we rarely see eye to eye I have no reason to believe you are a liar as I have seen no evidence of that from you. We see things radically different though that makes you no better or worse a person than I. Again there is nothing personal here.

I don’t have a particularly high opinion of Chris King, not for what he does but in the manner in how he tries to do it.

Bill - the original, sometimes copied but never duplicated.
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