Where is MAURA MURRAY

Any news on elderly Mr. Towle's investigation who went missing from Woodsville in 2000 while walking his dog on Main Street?

White Wash....

I was just asking the ? if there was a warrant for this crime. YOU are one of the most obnoxious people on this post. A simple ? for you turns into a personal thing....SHEEEESH....mellow out little girl. Not everything is about YOU ya know.

from the Hanson-Express Maura Murray Missing Part 11

regarding the offical statement on Monahan from Law Enforcement

"New Hampshire State Trooper John Monahan also stopped by the scene of the accident. It is not clear what time he arrived, if he was dispatched to the accident, or if he stopped on his own accord.

Monahan, who is now assigned to the Registry of Motor Vehicles, did not respond to several requests for clarification. Assistant Attorney General Jeff Strelzin, who is now handling documents for the case, said he was not sure he could provide specifics, but would look into the matter. No further information was available at press time."

Perhaps the good A.A. General might have that information now?

Information needed to rule out or in statements of witnesses...what did the school bus driver tell Monahan while they search the area after SBD returned from his search? Now that should have been quite the conversation?

The documents of the 911 depatch units of Grafton county might be benefical as R.O. reports seeing an ambulance heading down bunga road near 7:30 and there is no record of the dispatch, however there maybe an explanation of that matter?

Evidence has come to light that might point to an earlier accident,as per theory of reconstructionists hired by Detectives through the Molly Bish Foundation..and reports heard over scanner?

knowing what calls went through the dispatch or the police departments before 7p.m. might prove beneficial in discovering if there was an earlier accident of Maura's Saturn, or perhaps a report of a car slipping off the road.

When the guardrails were damaged on the 112 or at least repaired east and west of the accident scene?

It would be helpful to know if the coke bottle and airbags have been tested for Maura's DNA, and the presence of perhaps another party in Maura's vehicle, and at the back of the trunk? It would be beneficial to know if the red truck driver has been investigated and to know where the SBD saw the truck, and if he reported that to Smith.

Although there may not be obvious evidence of a crime; with what evidence is known to the public, unless certain factors are ruled out though foresnic analysis the whereabouts of Maura may never be discovered. If the local detachment and the state of New Hamsphire does not have funding for testing perhaps the FBI can be asked for their assistance. Perhaps the University of Mass Lab could be of assistance in analysizing information...

surely something has to change if the truth of Maura's disappearance is ever to be discovered...

if Maura is to be returned to her love ones...

...something has to give
...something is not right
...somebody knows something

You are name calling and demanding
because you saw the car you are right.
And I am the obnoxious one?
LOL and whatever so over this PERSONAL BS that
has nothing to do with Maura!

Grow Up please cause if standing up to the FIT
is obnoxious than oh well!

There was a warrant to search the car so what
makes you think more wouldn't come?

Did you answer my question on her leaving the scene and not being a crime?

Detective Columbo wrote:

White Wash....
I was just asking the ? if there was a warrant for this crime. YOU are one of the most obnoxious people on this post. A simple ? for you turns into a personal thing....SHEEEESH....mellow out little girl. Not everything is about YOU ya know.

hi Peripeteia and all was Maura seen leaving campus or on campus with the beer cans and please just look at the old forum , where the information came from and who deemed it o.k. to post.The mystery in Mauras life is what and even more so ,why we are not allowed to know where she worked at the mystery gallery, what her class schedule was and where she did her clinicals.Norwood was posted as an option at some point on the old forum .2 hours from amherst give me a break or someone else that was with Maura in Norwood at the time.Speaking of that where are all those friends and class mates of Maura.Why are they so quiet.Maybe it is as simple as they have not heard that there is a place to post ther thoughts and comments.take care philip

Shack wrote:

Scooter...Welcome back!! If indeed..you are are indeed the same Ol' Scooter...;-]...
We have had within the last year a few Posters who have Posted with different names....In fact, one of the main reasons of the MMM Forums closing was due to the fact of ...how to put this delicately...hmmm..
I thought I was the reason....cuz I have been hated for so long by Woodsville
resident.... another Poster thought s/he was reason for asking too many questions.
Ones who thought it was amusing to distract the rationale of our purpose of finding justice for a missing girl. Sometimes there were bizzare periods of bizarre yardi yardi...Anyway, since July 2008, and closure of MMM Forum,
we have had periods of ie one person(s) writing using different names.
One can easily determine and scroll on by the weirdo and anger....Most still adhere to basic decency/manners ...Bottom line is still, the Haverhill, NH citizens do not want to know that Maura was harmed in any way within their township.
PS If Bob the Bartender is still here...he is hiding under a different name....haven't recognized him as yet...

***Bottom line is still, the Haverhill, NH citizens do not want to know that Maura was harmed in any way within their township.***
You can take most of the credit for the anger (if there is any) with remarks like this one.
It is hard to not see your disdain for the people of the Haverhill area but it's going too far when you outright lie. Do you purposely try to anger the citizens with your nasty remarks so they will NOT want to provide any help. I just don't get you.For over 4 years you've called the locals names and accused them of things. Don't you think it's time to stop with the hatred and work together?
This remark is absolutely NOT true. From the people I have spoken with thru the years and including myself there was not one person that didn't want to know what happened to her and especially if it happened here.
Stop with the nastyness Shack. It might be of benefit to everyone.

Couldn't have said it better!
Thanks!

Wowzer wrote:

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***Bottom line is still, the Haverhill, NH citizens do not want to know that Maura was harmed in any way within their township.***
You can take most of the credit for the anger (if there is any) with remarks like this one.
It is hard to not see your disdain for the people of the Haverhill area but it's going too far when you outright lie. Do you purposely try to anger the citizens with your nasty remarks so they will NOT want to provide any help. I just don't get you.For over 4 years you've called the locals names and accused them of things. Don't you think it's time to stop with the hatred and work together?
This remark is absolutely NOT true. From the people I have spoken with thru the years and including myself there was not one person that didn't want to know what happened to her and especially if it happened here.
Stop with the nastyness Shack. It might be of benefit to everyone.

peripeteia Nova Scotia wrote:

from the Hanson-Express Maura Murray Missing Part 11
regarding the offical statement on Monahan from Law Enforcement
"New Hampshire State Trooper John Monahan also stopped by the scene of the accident. It is not clear what time he arrived, if he was dispatched to the accident, or if he stopped on his own accord.
Monahan, who is now assigned to the Registry of Motor Vehicles, did not respond to several requests for clarification. Assistant Attorney General Jeff Strelzin, who is now handling documents for the case, said he was not sure he could provide specifics, but would look into the matter. No further information was available at press time."
Perhaps the good A.A. General might have that information now?
Information needed to rule out or in statements of witnesses...what did the school bus driver tell Monahan while they search the area after SBD returned from his search? Now that should have been quite the conversation?
The documents of the 911 depatch units of Grafton county might be benefical as R.O. reports seeing an ambulance heading down bunga road near 7:30 and there is no record of the dispatch, however there maybe an explanation of that matter?
Evidence has come to light that might point to an earlier accident,as per theory of reconstructionists hired by Detectives through the Molly Bish Foundation..and reports heard over scanner?
knowing what calls went through the dispatch or the police departments before 7p.m. might prove beneficial in discovering if there was an earlier accident of Maura's Saturn, or perhaps a report of a car slipping off the road.
When the guardrails were damaged on the 112 or at least repaired east and west of the accident scene?
It would be helpful to know if the coke bottle and airbags have been tested for Maura's DNA, and the presence of perhaps another party in Maura's vehicle, and at the back of the trunk? It would be beneficial to know if the red truck driver has been investigated and to know where the SBD saw the truck, and if he reported that to Smith.
Although there may not be obvious evidence of a crime; with what evidence is known to the public, unless certain factors are ruled out though foresnic analysis the whereabouts of Maura may never be discovered. If the local detachment and the state of New Hamsphire does not have funding for testing perhaps the FBI can be asked for their assistance. Perhaps the University of Mass Lab could be of assistance in analysizing information...
surely something has to change if the truth of Maura's disappearance is ever to be discovered...
if Maura is to be returned to her love ones...
...something has to give
...something is not right
...somebody knows something

I think it's already been stated that the ambulance was on a call for a women that had breathing problems.
I know that it was not the first or the last time that the ambulance was summoned there for the lady who I believe was elderly.

whiston wrote:

why we are not allowed to know where she worked at the mystery gallery, what her class schedule was and where she did her clinicals.Norwood was posted as an option at some point on the old forum .2 hours from amherst give me a break or someone else that was with Maura in Norwood at the time

I will repeat something posted on the MMM forum. THERE ARE NO SECRETS. ONLY UNKNOWNS.

We are not "not allowed" to know at what gallery Maura worked. We simply DON'T know.

If I am told by a family member that Maura had clinicals at Norwood, I for one am not going to accuse them baldly of lying.("give me a break.") I work at a college about an hour's drive from Philadelphia, and that's if there's no traffic, which is of course never the case. Ever. MANY of the students at my college have clinicals in Philadelphia. Add to that the fact that there is another UMass campus near Norwood, and that totally makes sense to me. A pain in the ass, sure, but not at all uncommon. As a professor, I often teach classes off-site during the same semester I teach classes on-site. Yes, an hour or more off-site. A pain in the ass? Absolutely. Unheard of? Not by a long shot. A lie? I wish.

Speaking of that where are all those friends and class mates of Maura.Why are they so quiet.Maybe it is as simple as they have not heard that there is a place to post ther thoughts and comments.take care philip

Many of Maura's old friends and teachers posted in the prayers and well wishes section of Maura's old site (I can't remember exactly what it was called. Words of encouragement, maybe?) I suspect that their pain, since they knew Maura personally and loved her dearly, is something that most of us cannot fathom. I hope none of us ever has to know first-hand what they are going through, each day, nearly five years later.

Grief is a private thing. It is likely that, being friends of Maura's, they have met and know her parents and family, and have spoken to them privately to share memories, thoughts, prayers, and ideas. Or perhaps it is too painful for them to wonder aloud and give voice to their fears, because they feel that it would make it too real.

DET. COLUMBO:

....your witness, Counselor.

;-)

Inquiring about another missing person case in the the same town Maura disappeared is judged off topic!?

I guess inquiring about the possible presence of gang activity up that way would be deemed off topic as well..........

Shack wrote:

...I have asked over n over...when was the last Saturn's Inspection sticker...no answer...October 17. 2003...? So the vehicle
had not been inspected 10/2004...hmmm...

Didn't she disappear in FEBRUARY of 2004?(as someone likes to repeat over and over)

Shack wrote:

Beach Bum...I have asked over n over...when was the last Saturn's Inspection sticker...no answer...October 17. 2003...? So the vehicle
had not been inspected 10/2004...hmmm...Kinda starts sounding like when my children were teens...like hello,.? Inspection..? Excise tax?
Hello..? duh...? Even an oil change date could/would determine mileage.
The odometer reading would rid the assumption of accident prior to trip.
I guess that Fred would just assume that Maura would "take care of business"....? OR....he just took care of everything for her. I dunno...
By the age of 21, one would assume that one
would know what is what....when and what are responsibilities...?
Now, another question for you, if you know....I would like to know the last odometer reading....if only at that October 17th date. So many here, want to believe that the Saturn was damaged in MA.....take a look at the
front end damage photos...and see how impossible it would be to drive a car at any mph over ...guestimate of 20 -25...with one head light (maybe)and without hood flipping up to windshield.....puleeze...(A hood flipping back to the windshield is not a pleasant experience...
I know...with my very old Triumph)

hmmm

In my opinion.......... I truly think this had to do with westpoint. What law agency could keep things so private? Friends who have never spoken up about it? Even her supervisor - most would have shown on air coverage of the last people to see her - look at the Brook story - missing in thin air too? Someone wants to keep this on the down low and only one agency can do that - federal

peripeteia Nova Scotia wrote:

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thanks Shack for the information, it might be beneficial to know what he was doing the night of the accident what Mac Kay saw etc,
Mason:
I don't buy the psychotic theory, however she must now have found herself in a rather desperate situation and no phone coverage to seek assistance.
As lame as it seems, we in the back woods still sometimes tow ourselves around with chains and ropes, we tie red, white, or something colourful on the tail pipe or bumper, to warn on coming traffic. The last time I did this I scared the dickens out of myself, as it was slippery and without power steering it is a trial to keep the bloddy car on the road.
One wonders if Maura could have sent a message of distress, that she needed help, raising a white flag
one thing to check out are we sure that R.O. saw the car at the Stage Stop Store, I thought she saw this person at the convenience store,humm
anyone know if it was the Stage Stop Store where R.O. friend worked...
general question:
what of the ambulance that was heading down Bunga road that R.O. saw on her walk, or is this urban legend?

I've been assuming that the Stage Stop and the convenience store are one and the same.

Also, RO reported seeing the red truck twice. She said it passed her heading E/B ob the 112 as she was walking E/B on the 112 up a hill toward the store. She saw it again parked in the parking lot at the store when she arrived. The driver saw her coming, left the parking lot, and headed E/B on the 112. She entered the store and asked someone who worked there if someone had just come in for a few minutes and left before she arrived. The answer was "no." RO concluded the driver of the red truck must have waited in the parking lot for her to arrive and decided she wasn't someone he seemed to be looking for, so he left. Those two encounters with the red truck were the only times she saw the truck. She was certain it had MA plates because she got a good luck at them during the first encounter. Other folks, presumably including the cops thought the plates might have been temporary NH plates because the look similar to MA plates. They stopped such a truck the next day when they were stopping red pickups, but I don't know the outcome of that stop except they didn't arrest the guy. RO later said it might have been a 4x4 pickup.

She saw the Bronco that we know was driven by Sgt Smith pass by the store heading E/B toward what we now know to have been the Saturn accident site past the Weathered Barn after she finished shopping approximately 20-30 minutes after she saw the red truck leave the parking lot. She didn't mention seeing another vehicle, so I have surmised that the Saturn and the SBD passed the store while she was inside shopping and the red truck would have cleared the area before the accident unless the driver parked somewhere along the 112 before the accident site, waited for the Saturn and the SBD to pass by, waited for the SBD to leave the accident site, and then swooped in.

The problem with that scenario is why did the red truck not follow the Saturn after it passed him? Why did the driver wait 10-12 minutes for the SBD to drive by? Why didn't he immediately approach the Saturn?

RE perepeteia's question at #8928

general question:

what of the ambulance that was heading down Bunga road that R.O. saw on her walk, or is this urban legend?
__________

I recall that was an actual event involving a woman who lived on Bunga Road and it didn't have any connection to Maura's case.

I don't recall where I read that but I remember having an Oh,-that's-nice-to-know moment.

I agree! Call West Point and see what information
you get from them ZIP!
Both Maura soon to be engaged to be engaged love of her life and sister graduated West Point!
Julie was/or is in Washington now if my
sister was involved in a cover up by LE wouldn't
that be where you wanted to be to get the MOST
HELP POSSIBLE?
I find it very odd that at UMASS Maura enrolled
in the same program she left?

dawn wrote:

In my opinion.......... I truly think this had to do with westpoint. What law agency could keep things so private? Friends who have never spoken up about it? Even her supervisor - most would have shown on air coverage of the last people to see her - look at the Brook story - missing in thin air too? Someone wants to keep this on the down low and only one agency can do that - federal

another thing i think is odd? why have they not put up something on her site to download the song " For Maura" it is beautiful. I didn't know until I read it that her friend wrote it. That would at least go to funds to raise the reward. Which could help in getting more press! Just a thought. I don't know what happened - even if it was WP related - there is always H O P E

beach bum wrote:

Much more detailed account of the accident:
Shortly after 7 p.m. Faith Westman heard a loud thump outside her white gambrel-style home at 70 Wild Ammonoosuc Road. Her house is located inside a sharp left-hand bend in the road; Westman lives there with her husband, Tim. The couple also owns The Weathered Barn, a well-known local landmark, which is across the street at 69 Wild Ammonoosuc Road. In this barn, Tim Westman, a renowned craftsman, restores antique musical instruments.
Faith Westman peered out her window and saw Maura Murray's black Saturn lodged in a snow bank a short distance from her home. The car was facing west on the eastbound side of the road. From the look of things, it was clear there had been some kind of accident.
At 7:27 p.m. Westman called the Grafton County Sheriff's Department to report the vehicle, which she described as being in a "ditch."
Westman told dispatcher Ronda Marsha she was not sure if there were any injuries. Notably, the log reports that Westman said she could "see a man in the vehicle smoking a cigarette."
Maura never smoked and was vehemently anti-smoking, according to her mother and father.
....Faith Westman believed she had seen a man with a cigarette, while Tim Westman believed it was a woman at the scene on her cell phone and that the red light from the phone looked like the tip of a cigarette....
...Meanwhile, across the street, neighbor Virginia Marrotte was standing in her kitchen with her husband, John, who was peeling an orange.
"From our kitchen window we saw a car down the road with trouble lights flashing and someone walking around the car," Virginia Marrotte wrotein response to a set of questions sent for this series.
www.whitmanhansonexpress.com/index.php...

Once again, the times just don't seem to match up...first sentence "Shortly after 7:00pm..." hears a noise; BUT doesn't call until 7:27pm???? Ilive in a very similar location as to where all this went down.#1, I don't understand how no one would have taken the time to throw on a jacket & run out to see if the person needed help. It's the fricken middle of winter & dark for god's sake. "Oh gee Bertha, looks like someone just went into the ditch right outside...what else is on tv?" ARGHHHHH!!! I realize this probably has nothing to do with the whole picture ...or does it? Why would you NOT go out to help?? Man/men in or around car so you figure they no what to do?!? I get they saw SBD and would think he would help but there still seems to be enough time where no on acted/reacted.
I remember way back when we (forum) experimented in the dark with a cell phone & cigarette to see how it looked to someone else from a distance away. If I recall correctly - there was clearly a difference. The "on and off" glow of puffing on a cig; the backlight of the phone quite noticeable; the phone charger light not noticeable.
My 2 cents for the moment....

Inspection of Oct 17, 2003 interesting!
So how does MA work on inspections?
It was in Fred's name and given how much
he loves Maura I can't image him putting
her in an uninspected car!

get real wrote:

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Didn't she disappear in FEBRUARY of 2004?(as someone likes to repeat over and over)