Where is MAURA MURRAY

So strange, two things I just realized, I didn’t know about this case til about 2 years ago, but that particular night I was not far from where this happened, I was at a friend’s cabin with my husband visiting, we had gone up there for a few days, I had just found out I was having a baby, and that night as night fell I started getting extremely sick with nausea from morning/night sickness, so the three others decided to go out to dinner without me, and bring me back something, it was a cabin in the middle of the woods, not far from White Mountain state land, it was February 9th. They brought me back dinner right around 7:30ish. They were probably on the same road as she was, never realized that til just the other day.

I never went back up there until recently, we pulled off the side of the road somewhere in Franconia, it was a path to a river, we were on our way up to Jefferson NH, I could hear the river roaring below us, lots of trees, very noisy, wet, muddy path, snowing a bit outside, I looked down and I saw dug up women’s jockey underwear, blue in color, very sporty, I looked around some more and saw nothing else, I told my husband we had better go, I had chills up my spine, it didn’t feel good for some reason, what I saw, felt wrong, he brushed it off and said ‘probably a bunch of kids skinny dipping, etc..” but it felt scary. The River path was right in the middle of all those campground you see as you are in the White Mountain National Forest area, I don’t think it had a designated sign to it, just off the road, right up near the River.

peripeteia Nova Scotia wrote:

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Whiston are you certain she took her car home on Christmas break, I thought she was not driving the car?!
Saturus:
I requested pictures of Smith, CW and SBD, none were forthcoming! I presume you want these for perhaps the same reason..
to see if they have a black aura or something to that affect...

Hello Peripateia & all,

Regarding possible pictures of the various people now and previously living in the vicinity of Maura´s incident/accident site on Rte 112 at the Westhered Barn, it is of course quite possible that no such pictures exist in the public realm.
None of these people may have agreed to have their pictures taken/published by the media for many quite innocent but understandable reasons.
Has anybody here on board ever seen any pictures of witnesses, etc, published in the regional NH media?

Eurobserver wrote:

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Hello Mason & all,
Good re-post there.
The Saturn MIGHT have been driven by a friend of Maura´s. What if this friend called her at 01.00 am and told Maura that he/she had hit Mr Vasi while driving Maura´s car.
The legal and moral repercussions of such a conundrum would have been overwhelming for Maura.
IMHO.

Just found this post...buried.

ABSOLUTELY!!! Not an unlikely possibility...and the silence of friends/classmates.

Bill

What differentiates a dream from a vision, is that one is while you are asleep and the latter is while you are awake, eyes wide open, picture someone, picture a whole movie in seconds yadda yadda ya

Visions are about 10 for 10 accuracy, dreams are a whole kettle of fish...that is anyone's guess what they mean...I only had the one dream of Maura and two visions....

The only information I had was the first report dated Feb. 18th, the second vision was about a year later

cases I've explored, Chandra Levy, Laci Peterson, Joanne Rogers, Summer Baldwin, Jennifer Wilkenson, Lori Hacking, Samantha Runnion (perhaps her first name is wrong) these are the only persons you would know of...

accuracy 100 percent, Jennifer Wilkenson is the only one to date not found..it is possible she is
not missing, however this is not my feeling...I knew where they were located and how they died...
simply by reading a newspaper article and what I uncovered on line...

normally I send my comments to the police...
I can see when a person is ill, diagnose it to a tee, unfortunately I cannot heal what is the matter, and evil people I can see a mile away, or from a picture...

events like the Tsnami in Indonesia, 911 in New York..and a thousand other things, often I do not know exactly but simply left in my house terrorized by what is about to happen...

last year I had an interview with a Nurse Manager, the night before I had an anxiety attack at 9 p.m. when I said to myself, I hope the interview goes well tomorrow, suddenly I am horrified, and do not know what is the matter.

I awake the next day in the same state, I travel to the interview, I see a woman on the street and say I will be talking to her today and it is all bad. I parked by the ocean and went for a walk...
I returned looking for a church to light a candle because the feeling of evil was overwhelming.

I go to the interview and she doesn't show up, I stay 3 hours, and ask the staff to call her house, call her family, no answers, got them to send someone to the house, no answer. In walks the woman who I saw downtown earlier, who I knew I would see, I told her something was very the matter with the Manager and she should call the police...the nurses did not know what to do...

I leave to go and search by where her cottage is,
I know she is dead, but I think she has gone off the country road, when I get to the road where her cottage is, I said, she has been murdered and I am ill advised to go there...

Drive back towards the town, as I get there, I see the police where I had been parked earlier, it was infront of the Nurse Managers' house, she had been murdered at 9 p.m. the night before by her husband, he then took his own life...

not pretty....

beach bum wrote:

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This is a small-time, bottom-of-the-food-chain LE department filled with nobody's. This isn't the NYPD or the LAPD or the Boston PD. This department isn't filled with skilled detectives who have an extensive background and a plethora of experience in cases like this. We're talking about a county with THREE full-time officers working at the time of the accident. A quarter of a block in most cities would have more than three officers assigned to it.
They have absolutely no idea what they are doing, and subsequently they have become skilled at trying to cover that ostensible fact up.

I might PRIVATELY utter your words in frustration and sadness if I were the parent of a lost adult child.
Realistically, your perspective seems skewed...we're talking about RURAL NH. The expectation is NOT NYC or Boston.
Plain and simple. Jeesh.

Bill the stockade house, I painted a picture in water colour to where I thought the first accident was, however much to my surprize when I painted the house, I painted a log house with a large A-framed window...I stated that I knew I was mixing up two places...and what I intended to paint did not come out like I planned...

when I examined what I painted, it looked like the stage stop store...and the window looked like an A-frame....at the moment I view the house in the vision, Maura was grabbed from behind and the vision went blank.

What was more clear is the surrounding area, a large steep hill, and a hollow, at the hollow there is a field, or pond frozen, there is a brook to the right, with culvert brook passes underneath road...mountains in distance...
and maybe more water near by...there are lots of guard rails....although Maura is walking in open space cannot really see her car, she had no coat on, she is angry...

I have googled the roads in the area to death, tracing each millimeter of road, watching elevation, looking for water, looking for guardrails, looking and looking...

The dream is not so clean, but the river is below, only a short ways 25 feet or so, it is not rocky, there is a field before you get to the woods, they are not too dense...the path slopes downwards, it has been used before for camp fires..

whomever harmed Maura might have burned evidence...

Unfortunately I am not familiar with the area, have only been to New York and Bangour Maine in the States and near the boarder of New Hampshire in Magog, Quebec...

White Wash wrote:

Matt thanks!
So in Maura dorm where would she have done her laundry?
How far is parking from her dorm?
Thanks
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I am not sure which dorm she lived in...? I know it was in Southwest living area (which is where I lived). Laundry would be done in the basement of her dorm building. Looking at a picture of her parking sticker on her car (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a126/MauraM... ) she would be parking at Yellow lot 12, which makes sense for her living area. It would be about a 5-10 minute walk depending on where she lived/where in the lot she parked.

whiston...I'm not sure who this person it. What is the relevance if you don't mind me asking?

peripeteia Nova Scotia wrote:

Normally universities have student pack their rooms because they go into clean the floors etc, and I believe you are not to post things on the walls, so if cleaning staff is coming in, you would removed everything from the walls and floors.
..

You have to leave your room in decent shape. As in be able to see the floors. The walls would be untouched. There would be no reason to take down posters.

peripeteia Nova Scotia wrote:

Bill
What differentiates a dream from a vision, is that one is while you are asleep and the latter is while you are awake, eyes wide open, picture someone, picture a whole movie in seconds yadda yadda ya
Visions are about 10 for 10 accuracy, dreams are a whole kettle of fish...that is anyone's guess what they mean...I only had the one dream of Maura and two visions....

I will state categorically that I don't believe but I am certainly not going to try to argue the point as you are clearly just as convinced that there is something to it.

Thanks for spending the time writing about some of your experiences. I appreciate that.

Bill

Laurieisgone wrote:

So strange, two things I just realized, I didn’t know about this case til about 2 years ago, but that particular night I was not far from where this happened, I was at a friend’s cabin with my husband visiting, we had gone up there for a few days, I had just found out I was having a baby, and that night as night fell I started getting extremely sick with nausea from morning/night sickness, so the three others decided to go out to dinner without me, and bring me back something, it was a cabin in the middle of the woods, not far from White Mountain state land, it was February 9th. They brought me back dinner right around 7:30ish. They were probably on the same road as she was, never realized that til just the other day.
I never went back up there until recently, we pulled off the side of the road somewhere in Franconia, it was a path to a river, we were on our way up to Jefferson NH, I could hear the river roaring below us, lots of trees, very noisy, wet, muddy path, snowing a bit outside, I looked down and I saw dug up women’s jockey underwear, blue in color, very sporty, I looked around some more and saw nothing else, I told my husband we had better go, I had chills up my spine, it didn’t feel good for some reason, what I saw, felt wrong, he brushed it off and said ‘probably a bunch of kids skinny dipping, etc..” but it felt scary. The River path was right in the middle of all those campground you see as you are in the White Mountain National Forest area, I don’t think it had a designated sign to it, just off the road, right up near the River.

Hi welcome, thanks for the information, does your husband and friend recall seeing anything that night?

Is it possible for you to give the approximate place where you were by map, lat/longitude...

Thanks, an approximation will do, will check out Jefferson..

laurieisgone:

Your husband and friends did not happen to see a suspicious looking truck, do they recall where they went to dinner?

Thanks again

peripeteia Nova Scotia wrote:

Bill the stockade house, I painted a picture in water colour to where I thought the first accident was, however much to my surprize when I painted the house, I painted a log house with a large A-framed window...I stated that I knew I was mixing up two places...and what I intended to paint did not come out like I planned...
when I examined what I painted, it looked like the stage stop store...and the window looked like an A-frame....at the moment I view the house in the vision, Maura was grabbed from behind and the vision went blank.
What was more clear is the surrounding area, a large steep hill, and a hollow, at the hollow there is a field, or pond frozen, there is a brook to the right, with culvert brook passes underneath road...mountains in distance...
and maybe more water near by...there are lots of guard rails....although Maura is walking in open space cannot really see her car, she had no coat on, she is angry...
I have googled the roads in the area to death, tracing each millimeter of road, watching elevation, looking for water, looking for guardrails, looking and looking...
The dream is not so clean, but the river is below, only a short ways 25 feet or so, it is not rocky, there is a field before you get to the woods, they are not too dense...the path slopes downwards, it has been used before for camp fires..
whomever harmed Maura might have burned evidence...
Unfortunately I am not familiar with the area, have only been to New York and Bangour Maine in the States and near the boarder of New Hampshire in Magog, Quebec...

Please recognize that while I don’t believe I am not making fun of you but there are lots of areas that could fulfill these descriptions depending on the distances involved. I am surprised that you say that the river is not rocky because the only river I know in that area is rocky. Virtually all of them from rivers to streams are rocky so I do find that interesting but I am not as familiar with that area as I am with other areas of the White Mountains. The use of maybe also is a red flag meaning it might have more water and maybe not. Mountains in the distance is virtually a given. If you find a hollow with a field or frozen pond the brook will always be on the right depending on which side you view it from.

Again, I am not going to convince you of anything nor am I trying to make fun of you. I just have trouble fitting this in as useful to me.

Just thinking about it the only field that I can think of in the area is a shooting range on 112 that might have some fire rings for what that is worth but like I said I am not a familiar with that area as I am others. And it is a very, very big area.

Bill

Laurieisgone - Thanks for posting. Can the others who were staying at the cabin near you remember any details from that night, such as any other vehicles they may have seen on the road? Obviously, it is hard to think back to a random day years in the past and remember details like that.. heck, I can't even remember what the car in front of me on my commute this morning looked like. But of course, anything seemingly insignificant may be helpful.

Laurieisgone wrote:

So strange, two things I just realized, I didn’t know about this case til about 2 years ago, but that particular night I was not far from where this happened, I was at a friend’s cabin with my husband visiting, we had gone up there for a few days, I had just found out I was having a baby, and that night as night fell I started getting extremely sick with nausea from morning/night sickness, so the three others decided to go out to dinner without me, and bring me back something, it was a cabin in the middle of the woods, not far from White Mountain state land, it was February 9th. They brought me back dinner right around 7:30ish. They were probably on the same road as she was, never realized that til just the other day.
I never went back up there until recently, we pulled off the side of the road somewhere in Franconia, it was a path to a river, we were on our way up to Jefferson NH, I could hear the river roaring below us, lots of trees, very noisy, wet, muddy path, snowing a bit outside, I looked down and I saw dug up women’s jockey underwear, blue in color, very sporty, I looked around some more and saw nothing else, I told my husband we had better go, I had chills up my spine, it didn’t feel good for some reason, what I saw, felt wrong, he brushed it off and said ‘probably a bunch of kids skinny dipping, etc..” but it felt scary. The River path was right in the middle of all those campground you see as you are in the White Mountain National Forest area, I don’t think it had a designated sign to it, just off the road, right up near the River.

BF your words..

"Shack - thanks for the heads up re: who "Beach Bum" is"

I don't know who Beach Bum is.....

Thanks Matt
So would it appear to you that maybe she had a double
and moved into the single?
As you state things must be neat but why would she box things but leave them in a room?

5 to 10 min walk that's a hike with a lot of stuff or
could you pull up to the dorms and load?

Matt wrote:

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I am not sure which dorm she lived in...? I know it was in Southwest living area (which is where I lived). Laundry would be done in the basement of her dorm building. Looking at a picture of her parking sticker on her car (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a126/MauraM... ) she would be parking at Yellow lot 12, which makes sense for her living area. It would be about a 5-10 minute walk depending on where she lived/where in the lot she parked.

White Wash wrote:

Thanks Matt
So would it appear to you that maybe she had a double
and moved into the single?
As you state things must be neat but why would she box things but leave them in a room?
5 to 10 min walk that's a hike with a lot of stuff or
could you pull up to the dorms and load?
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I don't know about the single or the double. If she didn't have a roommate then most likely it was a single, as living space is limited at umass (especially at SW). As far as loading your stuff...yes you could, and would, pull right up to the building to load your stuff.

Hello Peripeteia & all,

Many thanks for sharing your visions and dream with us. It must all be very harrowing and upsetting for you.

I seem to recall that the site of "Brian´s Predictions" also featured a somewhat similar scenario with descriptions of a river, a pond or some kind of running water.
This was discussed on this forum earlier this year, IIRC, together with the references to the
I-93 and West Thornton, NH.

Detective Columbo wrote:

SHE DID NOT HIT THE TREES....The damage to the car was not consistent with a vehicle hitting a tree. I have seen Mauras Saturn close up and I know what I saw when I investigated the acc. scene. The car was struck or struck another object, this is for certain. The damage is more consistent with a tow hitch or ball or possibly a plow or plow frame. The pix of the car prove this also.

True enough.

Sara wrote:

Does anyone know if Maura was living in the dorm she was escorted to by the supervisor before the Christmas break? I thought I read something about another apartment, but not sure.

Good question. If she was not living in the dorm, what would that imply?