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White Wash

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Dec 10, 2008
 
DITTO!
Thanks!
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Mason,
Thanks for putting so much time and effort into your database of information. Hopefully it will do some good in cracking this case.
White Wash

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Dec 10, 2008
 
Which it will continue to be until we are
allowed to see the phone record!
Which I believe we should be allowed to see.
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No. The phone MAKING the call was located within a 20 mile radius. This has been a continual source of misunderstanding.
White Wash

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Dec 10, 2008
 

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I do believe it would have to be 2.
One that most of us agree with and one
submitted by the FIT in my opinion!
But think with all new comers it's awesome
and that is what we need is more and new blood
to the case!
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YES, YES, YES! This has been gone over. I wasn't even going to mention it because we all went over it.
Can't really blame the new people but we really need a FAQ so the new people can be referred to it.
Bill
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#9207
Dec 10, 2008
 
White Wash wrote:
Which it will continue to be until we are
allowed to see the phone record!
Which I believe we should be allowed to see.
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Oh, I agree with you.

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Dec 10, 2008
 
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Dec 10, 2008
 
White Wash wrote:
Which it will continue to be until we are
allowed to see the phone record!
Which I believe we should be allowed to see.
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Have you formally requested these records?
Do they fall within guidelines for FOIA?
peripeteia Nova Scotia

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Dec 10, 2008
 
Thanks for the comments re: psychic phenomenon, I will try and get ahold of the book Mason, thanks for taking the time to fill me in..

Snowy white, I do care what people think, however, it is too conflicting for me to discuss these types of experience with those who do not experience what I do, I cannot make anyone understand..I am happy to discuss this topic with someone who understands,or to assist me to understand what I am seeing etc...but I cannot argue. My Grandmother was an extrodinary clairvoyant, she shared with no one but me this gift, and not even in those words of having anything special, she simply told me stories, she hid this until she was 80.

Bill I do appreciate and use these visions to the best of my ability, without payment or acknowledgement, I remain anonymous....

but can you imagine for a moment walking down the street, and encountering half a dozen evil people, 20 people who you know are sick but that they don't know it yet, sitting with friends, realize that their marriage is falling apart because one of them is having an affair, you know someone is embezzling from a company, you know your Priest is a pedophile...I don't think most people want to see what I see, it is wonderful when it benefits me or someone else, but random information what is one to do with it, stop people on the street and tell them to get their butts to a doctor, or ask if they have their will written, tell someone they live next door to a murderer, well that all goes over like a lead ballon. Much of the time even to watch television is a challenge....see all kinds of people on there that scare the %^&* out of me...

thanks for the comments

p.s. I did view one person who was talking to Maura, and the other person is behind and out of view, but I know he was thin and not young...this is the reason why I wished to see pictures of persons of interest...

I believe it was Samatha Runnion, a young girl from California, there was a picture of 4 women on line, three women looked totally grief stricken, morbid grief...the fourth well she looked very afraid, they were all neighbours to the girl.

I wrote to the police and suggested that they interview her, that she had the answers she knows who took the little girl. As it turned out, she did, it was her boyfriend...one can tell multitudes from a picture...

recently my aunt showed me a picture of her daughter in law and her family, she asked me what was the matter, and knowing that I see things, she said, do you see anything of importance in this picture, of four people. I said, yes. Why she said..."If I had to make an un- educated guess, he was in a prisoner of war camp, and he did terrible things to his own people to survive...and there are people who are after him, to make him accountable..

he was a holocust survivor, and my Aunt said,this would explain why he never goes out in public, he is not depressed, but stays in his house and garden always...

I knew nothing of the man, never saw him before..

enough, hopefully we can help to bring Maura home, and bring pressure on authorities in power to provide the resources to solve the riddle of what became of Maura...
Mason

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Dec 10, 2008
 
Shack wrote:
Peri, CW sold trailer "as is"...it was moved and
was searched....Fact
Do you know when it was searched and if CW still owned it at the time? I'm guessing that it was a search pursuant to owner consent rather than a search warrant.
White Wash

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Dec 10, 2008
 
Can repost your vision again for us please?

Amazing gift thanks for sharing with us!
peripeteia Nova Scotia wrote:
Thanks for the comments re: psychic phenomenon, I will try and get ahold of the book Mason, thanks for taking the time to fill me in..
Snowy white, I do care what people think, however, it is too conflicting for me to discuss these types of experience with those who do not experience what I do, I cannot make anyone understand..I am happy to discuss this topic with someone who understands,or to assist me to understand what I am seeing etc...but I cannot argue. My Grandmother was an extrodinary clairvoyant, she shared with no one but me this gift, and not even in those words of having anything special, she simply told me stories, she hid this until she was 80.
Bill I do appreciate and use these visions to the best of my ability, without payment or acknowledgement, I remain anonymous....
but can you imagine for a moment walking down the street, and encountering half a dozen evil people, 20 people who you know are sick but that they don't know it yet, sitting with friends, realize that their marriage is falling apart because one of them is having an affair, you know someone is embezzling from a company, you know your Priest is a pedophile...I don't think most people want to see what I see, it is wonderful when it benefits me or someone else, but random information what is one to do with it, stop people on the street and tell them to get their butts to a doctor, or ask if they have their will written, tell someone they live next door to a murderer, well that all goes over like a lead ballon. Much of the time even to watch television is a challenge....see all kinds of people on there that scare the %^&* out of me...
thanks for the comments
p.s. I did view one person who was talking to Maura, and the other person is behind and out of view, but I know he was thin and not young...this is the reason why I wished to see pictures of persons of interest...
I believe it was Samatha Runnion, a young girl from California, there was a picture of 4 women on line, three women looked totally grief stricken, morbid grief...the fourth well she looked very afraid, they were all neighbours to the girl.
I wrote to the police and suggested that they interview her, that she had the answers she knows who took the little girl. As it turned out, she did, it was her boyfriend...one can tell multitudes from a picture...
recently my aunt showed me a picture of her daughter in law and her family, she asked me what was the matter, and knowing that I see things, she said, do you see anything of importance in this picture, of four people. I said, yes. Why she said..."If I had to make an un- educated guess, he was in a prisoner of war camp, and he did terrible things to his own people to survive...and there are people who are after him, to make him accountable..
he was a holocust survivor, and my Aunt said,this would explain why he never goes out in public, he is not depressed, but stays in his house and garden always...
I knew nothing of the man, never saw him before..
enough, hopefully we can help to bring Maura home, and bring pressure on authorities in power to provide the resources to solve the riddle of what became of Maura...

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WTF-the-original wrote:
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You are of course entitled to your opinion but this doesn't sound like someone who even believes itís of much use himself.
McMoneagle writes "Now, Iíve been doing RV for over thirty years and Iíve done tens of thousands of remote viewings of somewhat demanding importance, under incredible stress. In all of those RVs, Iíve experienced perhaps twelve or fifteen Ah-has, so thatís how rare they are. If you have a great deal of expectation for them they usually wonít occur; they usually happen when you least expect them."
Read the National Geographic test. That seems least biased to me.
And some food for thought, if there are only 10 to 15 Ah-has in thirty years, roughly one every other year and half to two years. Then the other tens of thousands of remote viewings did what? Headed people in the wrong direction? Gave information that changed the way things were looked at or approached? Actually allowed things to happen that may have been prevented if another approach was taken?
It should be useful to note that I started as a believer. It took digging to determine that there was nothing useful there.
I am not trying to pee on anyoneís weenie roast here but if you keep pushing I will respond.
Again, you are allowed to believe anything you want but when someone tries to pass it off as a "tool" thatís when I start having trouble with it.
Bill
On an even more fundamental level, I am adverse to buying what is peddled unless I am actively seeking it...be it carpet cleaning solicited by phone, someone else's religion, or the wares of an eager insurance salesman.

In the same way, I am unwilling to debate or concede to another's spiritual beliefs in this setting and specific to this topic.

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#9214
Dec 10, 2008
 
peripeteia ~

I just read your post (which has disappeared...and will reappear, I'm sure).

I admit that my honest reaction to the information you state about your grandmother's clairvoyance...and your own...is frightening at a certain level.
It is more comfortable for me to reject than to accept the possibilities of this gift/curse.

While I don't wish to diminish, prove or disprove your abilities, I remain a non-believer.
Benji

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Lady Gray wrote:
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I can think of 2 things:
1. Someone else's dorm on campus?
2. Living off campus.
Have any input as to which it might be?
Say it's 2 just for example. How would you confirm? Very simple. Easy to overlook the obvious. Find answer, basically disregard answer, but look at structure behind answer.
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Dec 10, 2008
 
Benji wrote:
<quoted text>Say it's 2 just for example. How would you confirm? Very simple. Easy to overlook the obvious. Find answer, basically disregard answer, but look at structure behind answer.
Are you messing with us, or do you really have answers to these questions?
L White

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While this is my first post to the forum, I have read most of the comments and insights listed, in addition to countless bits of available public evidence (both circumstantial and factual). This seems to be the most active forum and hope somebody is able and willing to address one thing that I cannot resolve: The police report indicates that the air bags deployed, but since it can be quite difficult for a passenger to maneuver inside the car under such conditions, I am struck by the fact that (a) the bus driver never mentioned the air bags (so far as I can discern), and (b) seemed to have a rather straight-forward conversation with Maura (the record indicates a fairly calm exchange, whereas only fairly serious collisions deploy air bags and if this were the case, the exchange might have been a bit more elevated, perhaps frantic to see if the driver was hurt or in shock). Please advise if there is any evidence to support either side of this issue. Otherwise, I continue to conclude that the air bags were deployed only after Maura left the scene either willingly with an accomplice, or under duress with abductor. Of course either scenario would produce wildly different outcomes, but it seems this is could provide evidence as to whether this was pre-meditated by Maura or an abductor, rather than an accident.
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Dec 10, 2008
 
I don't know the precise location of the Londonderry Tower so I looked up Londonderry on Google Maps and it's located at 42 degrees, 50 minutes, 59.91 seconds N and 71 degrees, 21 minutes and 48.92 seconds W. This is on Rte 128, 10.8 miles SSE of Manchester, NH and only 2.2 miles W of I-93. If you zoom in on Google Satellite view, Londonderry looks like a tall office building. If this is where the tower is located (perhaps a tower built up from the roof of the building), the person who attempted to call Maura must have been at least 5 miles south of southern end of the major N/S runway at the Concord airport because that's where the 20 mile limit ends. Have I correctly located the tower?

When Fred Murray rented a car and drove to Connecticut sometime Sunday afternoon, wasn't Concord his destination? I'm guessing that the ping represents him attempting to reach her to discuss the insurance forms. If so, he wasn't in Concord when he called, which doesn't necessarily mean anything. Just curious.
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Dec 10, 2008
 
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Benji wrote:
<quoted text>Say it's 2 just for example. How would you confirm? Very simple. Easy to overlook the obvious. Find answer, basically disregard answer, but look at structure behind answer.
I may be totally missing what you're getting at, but if Maura was living off campus with a friend, it means it's possible she was frightened, lonely, didn't want to be alone for some reason (fear of something), liked the closeness of company, and chose to crash with friends. This is not as likely as:

Maura met a new guy. Although she and Billy seemed very much in love either the distance was taking its toll, the inevitable path toward marriage was freaking Maura out because of doubts about Billy, marriage, or being a military wife. I have no clue what Maura was thinking or feeling. I'm also trying not to project my stuff onto her. I'm just using my life's experience and that of my friends to get some "stock" ideas.

If Maura had a new boyfriend, I expect some people knew and some didn't. Those who knew haven't said a thing. The closest thing we've heard was that early comment by her girlfriend ---- one of very few specific comments on Maura's day to day life before the silence ---- that "Maura got flirtatious when she drank". Interesting, because usually it's said we get rowdy, obnoxious, loud, or over the top.

Structurally, it seems to mean that the media and family presentation to the public on this subject has been settled on, wired in cement ... and everyone's stickin' to the story. If this version of events is true, several people had to know. Maybe Billy knew. Every couple has their own private agreements and arrangements. If Maura had a new male friend, it would be important only in determining if there was any connection with her disappearance. And maybe her state of mind in determining her vulnerability to an attack if she was in flux, distracted. Otherwise, it ain't our business.

Part of the overall structure of Maura not living in her dorm-room, for example, is how little the public really knows about her. Even her friends weren't kept fully informed -- I'm not listing the examples again. Some of her friends seemed to experience hurt about Maura's "not sharing" stuff. Some might have been hurt or angry if Maura's flirtations were with that girl's own boyfriend. You look at the sweet faces of these KIDS, really, and it's hard to imagine any of them harboring physically harmful anger or rage over jealousy. So, the structure I see of our knowledge that THE BASE IS FALSE OR FLAWED. This is what posters like whiston have been working on all along, piece by piece. One question is, how did this base of information form? In such a sudden event like an abduction, most people would clam up in terms of petty gossip in a public venue. They might not know that it held the key. Well, with the UMass investigators and the FBI interviewing those at Amherst, I believe, a lot of the true foundation is probably on record --- just not for us.
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Dec 10, 2008
 
I posted two earlier and they didn't show up. My question is for those who were on the original MM forum. Did friends from Umass or her hometown ever post? I just think it is odd that her friends remain quiet. If it was my friend who went missing I would still post here -even though some are mean. I would still pull out the stops to find answers.. Please advise.
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Eurobserver wrote:
Hello again,
Mason recently wrote that he would find it surprising if Maura were actually living somewhere under an assumed identity and not being seen and reported by witnesses.
In principle I would agree with Mason on this point.
However, I think that we must consider the fact that the northern parts of Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine as well as large tracts of southern Quebec and neighbouring New Brunswick are very thinly populated areas.
If Maura were to change her hair style, the colour of her hair and make other subtle changes to her previous appearance, I do believe that she could well go unnoticed for years, especially as her case is regrettably less well known than we would like to think, and particularly so in Canada.
Remember that the witness in the Barton, VT, church on Fathersī Day 2005 remarked that the mysterious "Raykel" with the "unmistakable runners legs" wore a heavy foundation cream applied to her face and that her hair colour was blonder than Mauraīs natural hair colour. Still, the witness also remarked upon her "tightly curled hair"...
Barton, VT, in Orleans County, is a small center in the so called "Northeast Kingdom" of Vermont on the I-91 between St Johnsbury,VT, and the Canadian border. The surrounding area is extremely sparsely populated even by Vermont standards.
I would also like to mention that unfortunately, in our society homeless people are nearly invisible. If she is alive and mentally ill, she may be homeless.
Mason

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Sara wrote:
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Are you messing with us, or do you really have answers to these questions?
I think Benji's post constitutes probable cause to believe that he's gotten into the acid again.

Bad dog, Benji!

Tell him the answer is between the numbers. He'll be the only person in the universe who believes that makes sense.
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