Where is MAURA MURRAY

Licensed or not I will always speak my opinion and bring known facts into light. I hate when the obvious is overlooked or brushed under the carpet.

Detective Columbo wrote:

Most people up here pay particular attention to something happening right in their back yard. I am certainly surprised that nobody saw where Maura went after the SBD left the scene. It seems odd to me that someone does not know which way she went or if she was picked up.

How many people actually live in that area during the week?? Most of the houses on and around 112 are not full time residences..... chances are, a lot of people weren't there. Technically, why didn't RO see where the red truck went? Did it head toward the Weathered Barn? Did it head West on 112, turn onto French Pond then onto Valley and up Swiftwater Circle to the Weathered Barn? Maybe it picked up whomever was in the Saturn?

I am not blaming anyone in particular. I am just stating that it might have helped if more attention was paid.

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text> I agree Wowzer--I travel 112 often and frequently see out of state cars or trucks pulled off to the side with no one present in or around them. Does that give me cause to even think twice? No....I've done it myself moose, bear and deer watching and simply going on an adventure with the dog.....

At 7:30 at night with your car ass end two a snowbank in February?

No, you don't have to answer that.

I'm still reeling from the fact that people are passing judgement on Maura's family.

I'm stepping away from the computer now, bye folks.

The vehicle was in an accident on the wrong side of the rd. Hmmmmmm....maybe I might think twice.

Wowzer wrote:

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Please keep in mind that when the accident first happened it was no big deal. That corner had other people go off the road before. No one could foresee that the driver would disappear or I'm sure they would have paid more attention.
The SBD's driveway did not go way back. He had a very short driveway on the side of his house and a place in the front that he also parked.
I've said this before but it's worth saying again.
He very often backed into the driveway as he could not back out into the road on a sharp curve.
Why the neighbor said he never did that before is beyond me.

Wowzer: thanks for the comment, however being a nurse, and seeing the confusion, pain and injury caused from an airbag being deployed in your face, the shock of being in an accident, likely the 3rd. in 48 hours thereabouts (assuming that there was a previous accident), and if we take the statement of police as gospel (assuming again that the SBD) that the driver of the vehicle was intoxicated with might be indiscernable from shock, I don't see that this is a routine accident, the fact that the airbags deployed says that the car was struck or hit something at a significant velocity. As a trained bus driver he would been familiar with shock, he describes that she was not injured, well she might have said that, but it sounds as if the occupant was totally shaken. Remained in her car without engaging emergency equipment in her trunk....
although the car was operational as the occupant back up and parked on the other side of the road, then why? Why not park the car out of harms way, obviously something prevented the occupant from doing the obvious. There are a number of possiblities, the first being that it was not Maura, that the occupant was intoxicated, that the occupant was in shock. Also, we do not know if the occupant did not strike their head....
and broke the windshield.

How would you explain SBD stating when he shone the flashlight in the car that he could only see her from the lips up because the airbag was deployed. To me this means either seeing the accident, or the person was resting their head on the steering wheel, this does not paint a picture to me of a person who is OK. Too the SBD had no idea how long the occupant was siting in a cold car.

I'd appreciate any response to help me better understand this...because I feel that the SBD
did not think the occupant of the car was alright.

Why did he not tow the car to his parking space down by the lot, he must have had a chain or rope....why did he feel so compelled to call the police, certainly if someone asked me not to call the police, I would not have called, and only done so if I felt they were endangered, as it would be none of my business. I'd have towed her off the road, or called her a tow truck. Sorry his whole senario of the SBD, makes no sense to me...

I understand he was somewhat helpless as the occupant refused his help.

the police would have been the last people I would have called for a single car accident...


Also, is Marrott not telling the truth, he has no reason to lie, he stated that he backed his truck all the way to the garage and remained on the bus a long time....and he commented that the SBD had never done that before?

Am I wrong, or has Marrott gave a false or misleading statement...?

In the immediate area of the acc. scene, visually speaking, there is only one house that is a vacation home. All the others are full time residences.

sorry for the spelling and grammer mistakes hope you can understand my post

Thanks also, Wonderinggirl. What IS the deal with the carpet? If nothing's been done, can it be retrieved and tested? IF both pieces are missing (not saying they are, but if) and if nothing further was done to investigate the cadaver dogs' reaction, then (I can't believe I"m saying this) but this actually does start to look like some sort of cover up. Or at least bad PD work. Or one, then the other. But I have respect for the law enforcement officers I know, so I'm not assuming that without more proof. I'm sure these issues have been run thru and dismissed, right?

And yes, I read about the menstrual fluid. but has that been confirmed? Would dogs react like that to menstrual fluid? It's certainly possible I guess, just asking.

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text> I agree Wowzer--I travel 112 often and frequently see out of state cars or trucks pulled off to the side with no one present in or around them. Does that give me cause to even think twice? No....I've done it myself moose, bear and deer watching and simply going on an adventure with the dog.....

Looking4amoose you are very familiar with the condition of the roads here in the winter then. Sometimes they are not for the faint of heart.
I can't tell you how many cars and trucks I heard on the scanner that slid off the road just yesterday because it was slippery. We live in NH. There's lots of snow and extreme cold that turns the slightest moisture on the roads into a ice skating rink.

Regarding the SBD, has it been confirmed that he was definitely returning from a ski trip. I assume yes, so I'm wondering when the last child was dropped off and where that was? Do we know when that was? Hate to imply anything negative about a possible good samaritan, but again, trying to cross things off the list. If I were disoriented and confused I'd probably tend to trust a bus driver over a random passerby in a beat-up truck.

Mason I agree with you that one has to go back to Amherst to find out what was the matter, however, I would be very surprized if Fred was hiding anything vital that would bring Maura home. He certainly has to keep somethings under wraps, and perhaps some of the locals and the police have gone alittle over the top sometimes, but placing myself in the same situation I'd have come total undone emotionally and mentally and I'd likely stroke out from anger...

Initially I considered Fred as a suspect, even Kathleen's boyfriend and her older brother...and Billy, leave no stone unturned, however, nothing has appeared anywhere anytime to implicate anyone
in her family or Billy...

I certainly agree that whatever happened at Amherst is significant, something had to be vital, something had to be so important as to through all caution to the wind...

at the end of the day, perhaps Maura was simply avoiding a mental collapse, she certain was tired, and stressed working two jobs, nursing school, no car, being away from Billy...

...and there is what is unknown to us...
of possible reasons for leaving...

Unless someone from her school or a close friend coming forward there is nothing we can glean from her mental state or what was going on in her life

It would be relevant to know what was so important that Maura had to go to see her Father
at 2:30 in the morning. And she wanted to talk to Billy...the day she disappeared...I believe Fred or Billy would have shared that with us..

I have never felt that anyone of the Moderators, or Maura's relations that write on the forum prevented me from saying anything on the old forum, I felt frustated that so much is unknown, but too I know very little of my son's private life and he is the same age as Maura was then...

my two cents worth

should have said in above post perhaps the police and neighbours feel that Fred has gone over the top, per se...

Detective Columbo wrote:

Most people up here pay particular attention to something happening right in their back yard. I am certainly surprised that nobody saw where Maura went after the SBD left the scene. It seems odd to me that someone does not know which way she went or if she was picked up.

Stand inside a house on a country road with the lights on and maybe the TV on and look out the window. What do you see?
There is a light not far from me but I cannot see if someone is walking right by my house on the road. Why is this odd to you? It was dark out.

Detective Columbo wrote:

Licensed or not I will always speak my opinion and bring known facts into light. I hate when the obvious is overlooked or brushed under the carpet.

You have asked a new person for the address of where she stayed in a cabin in this area. You have asked for people to e-mail you which would give you their e-mail address.
I think if you are asking for this personal information the people here deserve to know if you are a licensed PI.
I haven't seen any mention about you not speaking your opinion. Some things I have seen you bring to light though has been YOUR opinion and stated as fact.

I forget who asked what or when...but...

CM Rental Occupancy 1/2001 - 7/2004 of Chalet.
A-frame
Multiple eviction notices and citings. ie "accumulation of trash in woods back of property....parking tractor trailer with recyclables on Lodge Lane, unregistered vehicle"...

Det.C. has been WITH the Murrays since day 1. He has contributed throughout both of Helena's Forums for MMM. He came here to Topix,
with his original name, not with multiple names....
Many have come and gone...but, he is still hanging in there.

Also, I initially thought there was a half-decent chance the whole thing was staged by Maura, perhaps with an accomplice (maybe one near Londonderry as she entered NH, hence the ping) but to stage any accident to the degree that the airbags deployed seems unlikely. Almost no one with the will to live (either Maura planning to escape or her captor trying to stage first or second crash) would have put themselves in enough danger for that to happen. It just wasn't necessary.

Pointer wrote:

Thanks also, Wonderinggirl. What IS the deal with the carpet? If nothing's been done, can it be retrieved and tested? IF both pieces are missing (not saying they are, but if) and if nothing further was done to investigate the cadaver dogs' reaction, then (I can't believe I"m saying this) but this actually does start to look like some sort of cover up. Or at least bad PD work. Or one, then the other. But I have respect for the law enforcement officers I know, so I'm not assuming that without more proof. I'm sure these issues have been run thru and dismissed, right?

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it the private investigaters that lost the sample or didn't let anyone know what had become of it? It seems this information has been posted earlier.
If as Shack has said they knew it was menstrual blood then testing had to have been done by someone or how would they have known what kind of blood it was.
This tells me that it probably wasn't Maura's.

SBD dropped off all the students at the local
school...guessing a 10 - 15 minute drive to
his home...