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Wowzer

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Mason wrote:
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There are different levels of searching ranging from the searchers separating as far as possible but still within earshot and calling out the person's name. This is level 1 and is designed to cover the maximum area possible as quickly as possible. It presumes the missing person may be lost and/or injured, but able to respond vocally to the voices of the searchers.
The final level, which I believe is called level 5, is shoulder to shoulder proceeding on hands and knees.
I've asked the question about areas already searched because I'm in the process of recommending areas to be searched.
If people don't want to share, that's fine. I'll go ahead, make my recommendations, and ignore their silly suspicions.
How is it possible for you to be able to recommend areas to be searched from KY?
You have no idea of the terrain, what's accessible in the winter, etc. etc.
Searches on private property need permission and sending people to search the woods would be putting them in danger of getting lost.

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Monday Dec 15
 
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I do not represent anyone. I just keep trying to make connections and toss in ideas.
My SSN idea just popped into my head because all of a sudden it seemed like a certain and east way to determine if someone who has been reported missing is really missing.
Later on it occurred to me that some people who are missing might want to remain missing, which they have the right to do. So, a balance must be struck between a person's right to disappear himself or herself and a family's right to a pretty definitive answer regarding whether their missing loved one is dead or alive.
Problem is that I don't think families or loved ones have such a right under existing law. The only way to solve that problem is to create a legal right through legislation and the only way to do that is to act in numbers.
I don't know how many people are missing in this country or how many people are psychologically fracturing because they are stuck in limbo-land not knowing if the missing person whom they love is alive or dead.
I think a new law that permits a family member, or significant other to request a yes or no answer regarding whether the missing person's SSN has been active (i.e.,$ withheld during the course of employment) after the person has been missing for a year makes sense.
The idea needs some fine tuning to prevent opportunities for identity theft and abuse by creditors.
Maybe the potential for abuse can't be effectively eliminated and the idea shouldn't be pursued. I don't know.
It's just an idea that seemed great at the time, but maybe it belongs in the circular file labeled "trash."
I'm not going to pursue it, if this forum rejects it.
Sound reasonable?
Hi Mason - a similar (but not applivable to missing persons AFAIK) mechanism is in place for pension plan trustee's (people who have other people's retirement money under a plan)- the IRS will forward to the SSN holder a notice if the trustee requests it[1]. I think I posted information about it somewhere in this Topic.

When I was searching (and I won't claim it was exhaustive) I did not find any reasonable way to deal with a disappearance that involved subsequent use of a Social Security Number.

[1]I, in fact, received such a notice - but there was a problem - they misindexed this person's Social Security Number with mine - I responded because I didn't know what it was - and now I'm going to contact the Trustee and say may name is Ben and not the person named on the paper I received.

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Mason,

I am sorry you took my post as hostile.

I believe you have a God complex and I have nothing further to say to you.
White Wash

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Monday Dec 15
 
That has been searched several times to my
knowledge!
It's National Forrest I believe!
It is gated off in the Winter you can only go
so far and I believe a 4 wheel drive would be
very handy to have up there.
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Anyone know if a search was conducted along the South Landaff Road? As you're headed E/B on Rte 112 after the accident scene, it's a quarter of a mile past the bridge over the Wild Ammonoosuc River. Take a left off the 112 (at 44 degrees 06 minutes 19.65 seconds West & 71 degrees 52 minutes 17.47 seconds North).
The road heads up a pretty steep hill gaining 200 feet in elevation before it flattens out. It runs alongside Dearth Brook, which is just off the right side of the road. A little over a half mile from the 112 (0.54 miles), it connects to a road with the same name. At this point, you can turn right (E) or left (W) and the road generally follows the river running along the hill above it. If you head east, it connects back up to the 112 just 1.39 miles past the bridge. The forest is so dense that you can barely make out a few portions of S. Landaff Rd during that stretch.
Anyone driven that road?
M
White Wash

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Search areas have not generally been made public, for reasons I hope are obvious.

Quoted by FireCat but it's ok to put the residents out there on public stakes and burn them??

Please explain what I am missing?

"Yesterday afternoon we had the pleasure of about 10 search cars outside
the house - parked on the other side of Bradley Hill pretty much
blocking 1 lane of traffic. They went along the road behind my garage
and down towards the river. Too bad they never stopped in."

For those who live here not hard to know when and where has been searched.

If everything else is fair game I see no reason why this information,as well as cell phone records ect shouldn't be.
White Wash

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What does this really have to do
with Maura?

Please back to the topix of Maura!
elsewherebriefly wrote:
Mason,
I am sorry you took my post as hostile.
I believe you have a God complex and I have nothing further to say to you.

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Mason wrote:
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There are different levels of searching ranging from the searchers separating as far as possible but still within earshot and calling out the person's name. This is level 1 and is designed to cover the maximum area possible as quickly as possible. It presumes the missing person may be lost and/or injured, but able to respond vocally to the voices of the searchers.
The final level, which I believe is called level 5, is shoulder to shoulder proceeding on hands and knees.
I've asked the question about areas already searched because I'm in the process of recommending areas to be searched.
If people don't want to share, that's fine. I'll go ahead, make my recommendations, and ignore their silly suspicions.
Never heard of anything called a "level 5".

There are hasty searches which are small groups of people looking as soon as possible after an event starts in and on the most likely avenues of egress or escape such as roads, trails, streams, etc.

Then there are grid searches:

Two types, open and closed.

Open grid, you will have large spacing between elements, typically greater than 100 meters.

Closed grid, less then 100 meter spacing and depending on what you are looking for it can be on hands and knees but most likely it will be spacing based upon what you are searching for and trying to make sure it will be seen with the spacing chosen. This all depends on terrain, size and color of the object(s) being searched for, etc.

At first during the hasty search phase it is almost always be assumed that the person being searched for in a hasty search has the intent of being found unless there is reason to believe otherwise. That is used to searchers advantage by calling out for the person as well as blowing whistles and horns and assuming that they will answer back. While searching, the searchers are also looking for any type of evidence that the person has traveled through there.

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Mason

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Wowzer wrote:
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How is it possible for you to be able to recommend areas to be searched from KY?
You have no idea of the terrain, what's accessible in the winter, etc. etc.
Searches on private property need permission and sending people to search the woods would be putting them in danger of getting lost.
Easy. I have Google Satellite and Google terrain maps -- free internet programs. I can get down to within a couple hundred feet of the ground and see stuff clearly. Why don't you try it instead of taking pot shots at me and embarrassing yourself in the process.

And, if you had bothered to read ny several posts about searching, you would realize that the searches I'm recommending are for spring.

That's it. I'm done being nice to you. You are an idiot.
Mason

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elsewherebriefly wrote:
Mason,
I am sorry you took my post as hostile.
I believe you have a God complex and I have nothing further to say to you.
Likewise!
Sara

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as there ever been a search conducted in Amherst? Woodsville? What if the car being found up in Haverville was a way to throw off everyone. This of course can only be the case if Maura was not who SBD saw.
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WTF-the-original wrote:
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Never heard of anything called a "level 5".
There are hasty searches which are small groups of people looking as soon as possible after an event starts in and on the most likely avenues of egress or escape such as roads, trails, streams, etc.
Then there are grid searches:
Two types, open and closed.
Open grid, you will have large spacing between elements, typically greater than 100 meters.
Closed grid, less then 100 meter spacing and depending on what you are looking for it can be on hands and knees but most likely it will be spacing based upon what you are searching for and trying to make sure it will be seen with the spacing chosen. This all depends on terrain, size and color of the object(s) being searched for, etc.
At first during the hasty search phase it is almost always be assumed that the person being searched for in a hasty search has the intent of being found unless there is reason to believe otherwise. That is used to searchers advantage by calling out for the person as well as blowing whistles and horns and assuming that they will answer back. While searching, the searchers are also looking for any type of evidence that the person has traveled through there.
Bill
Thanks for straightening me out on that.
Wowzer

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Mason wrote:
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Easy. I have Google Satellite and Google terrain maps -- free internet programs. I can get down to within a couple hundred feet of the ground and see stuff clearly. Why don't you try it instead of taking pot shots at me and embarrassing yourself in the process.
And, if you had bothered to read ny several posts about searching, you would realize that the searches I'm recommending are for spring.
That's it. I'm done being nice to you. You are an idiot.
And you are an arrogant jackass that thinks you are smarter and superior to everyone else here.
I don't care if you can zoom in to 100 feet from the ground, there's still much it doesn't show.
And it doesn't matter if it's spring, summer, fall or winter. The wilderness is so vast here that even people that are familiar with the land have gotten twisted around and lost.
Your nasty streak is not becoming for a lawyer, law professor. Hmmm
Now back to finding Maura
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Sara wrote:
as there ever been a search conducted in Amherst? Woodsville? What if the car being found up in Haverville was a way to throw off everyone. This of course can only be the case if Maura was not who SBD saw.
Sara,

Good point. I have considered this as well. As far as I know, there has not been a true search of Amherst.

What perplexes me though, is the email to the professors, the computer searches of locations in the north, the directions in the car, etc. I suppose it is possible that the predator did these things on her computer, making it look like a run-away situation - but it seems unlikely.
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hi Sara and all .Has anyone ever conducted a search in Amherst ?.Great question.It makes no sense to take a car to N.H to hide it.When it was found it would only make it more curious.Whitewash I thought you guys were frozen in and in a state of emergency but i will take your word about the search.The bickering is not helping. take care stay warm philip
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Also, does anyone know if Mr. Murray's PIs or LE ever traveled along her supposed route of travel to ask around gas stations if her or a black Saturn was seen on Feb.9? If she stopped for gas, good chance she was seen by someone.
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Firefly wrote:
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Sara,
Good point. I have considered this as well. As far as I know, there has not been a true search of Amherst.
What perplexes me though, is the email to the professors, the computer searches of locations in the north, the directions in the car, etc. I suppose it is possible that the predator did these things on her computer, making it look like a run-away situation - but it seems unlikely.
I definitely believe she planned on leaving, but the real question is how far did she actually get? And was there someone helping or meeting her. I find it hard to believe she would drive an unreliable car for three hours without any true destination in mind.
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Hmm good point. Does anyone know if the location of the Corrola accident was on a direct route from the dorm she was drinking with friends to Freds hotel? If not maybe its possible she was heading to meet someone else. Possibly another person she was staying with. I say this bc I dont think her dorm was recently packed up or just not unpacked but more of just a closet as someone else said earlier. So maybe she was basically living with someone else and using her dorm as storage. Left her friends and said she was going to see her dad at 2:30am but was really going somewhere else and got into an accident.
Even so that wouldnt explain her disappearance. About that..I think its pretty obvious she she planned to leave ONLY for a couple of days.
Just a thought..maybe that 1am phone call was from the person she was living with?
Two possible locations. One is right across from stop sign at end of road leading away from dorms. Stop sign often unseen or over shot, then car rams guard rail across street. Easily on route to lodging. But could be guard rail further down street. Corolla hit anyone or anything else before that?
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Small chance, tossing it out there, but maybe she was changing sports and competing for spot on new team?

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Sara wrote:
as there ever been a search conducted in Amherst? Woodsville? What if the car being found up in Haverville was a way to throw off everyone. This of course can only be the case if Maura was not who SBD saw.
It is most likely that Maura was driving Maura’s car at the car accident and it was Maura seen by SBD. The reason: It is the simplest explanation that fulfills the known information. I.e. someone who looks like Maura driving Maura’s car identified by an eyewitness who says it looked like Maura is a simpler explanation than the “Maura was abducted in Amherst and at least two people drove her car and another car so they could get back to Amherst from where they dumped Maura’s car to try to make it look like she drove there and then no one seeing the second car they fled the scene to return to Amherst where they are doing whatever with Maura” but never relating a single morsel of this master plan to anyone, ever, in five years.

To make it into a conspiracy complicates an already unwieldy story which is simply that Maura ran away from school, probably intended to be for a little while and in the process had a crash while very likely intoxicated. In running from the crash (very likely it was a second crash) she met with an unknown fate. Possibly by a bad choice she made or a bad choice she made in combination with the hands of another.

“When you hear hoof beats think horses not zebras, and certainly not unicorns.”

Bill
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whiston wrote:
hi Sara and all .Has anyone ever conducted a search in Amherst ?.Great question.It makes no sense to take a car to N.H to hide it.When it was found it would only make it more curious.Whitewash I thought you guys were frozen in and in a state of emergency but i will take your word about the search.The bickering is not helping. take care stay warm philip
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