Where is MAURA MURRAY

WTF-the-original wrote:

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It is most likely that Maura was driving Maura’s car at the car accident and it was Maura seen by SBD. The reason: It is the simplest explanation that fulfills the known information. I.e. someone who looks like Maura driving Maura’s car identified by an eyewitness who says it looked like Maura is a simpler explanation than the “Maura was abducted in Amherst and at least two people drove her car and another car so they could get back to Amherst from where they dumped Maura’s car to try to make it look like she drove there and then no one seeing the second car they fled the scene to return to Amherst where they are doing whatever with Maura” but never relating a single morsel of this master plan to anyone, ever, in five years.
To make it into a conspiracy complicates an already unwieldy story which is simply that Maura ran away from school, probably intended to be for a little while and in the process had a crash while very likely intoxicated. In running from the crash (very likely it was a second crash) she met with an unknown fate. Possibly by a bad choice she made or a bad choice she made in combination with the hands of another.
“When you hear hoof beats think horses not zebras, and certainly not unicorns.”
Bill

Not trying to make up stories Bill. Just trying to figure it all out. I think it is highly unlikely that Maura hitched a ride from a stranger.

SOM wrote:

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Is this fact? Where did you hear or read that the PIs and reconstruction experts feel the damage was not caused at the 112 scene?

From the PIs themselves. On numerous occasions--both on this forum and the previous, now defunct MMM forum. Also in a private email conversation with one of the PIs.

WTF-the-original wrote:

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Thats why I never bother with the wall charger anymore except to use it at the primary house and never move it. No matter where I go I can always use my car charger so I am covered no matter what. Even for a loss of power.
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Bill

My car charger doesn't work unless my car is ON. Hybrid technology, aimed to save energy. Except when I need to use it.

Mason wrote:

Part 2
We decide that Maura has an alibi when the accident happened because there is little likelihood that she could have left work without her absence being noted or reported to her supervisor.

What is this "we decide she has an alibi because there is little likelihood that she could have left work without her absense being noted or reported to her supervisor" part? Think something like this through a lot more.

Mason wrote:

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There are different levels of searching ranging from the searchers separating as far as possible but still within earshot and calling out the person's name. This is level 1 and is designed to cover the maximum area possible as quickly as possible. It presumes the missing person may be lost and/or injured, but able to respond vocally to the voices of the searchers.
The final level, which I believe is called level 5, is shoulder to shoulder proceeding on hands and knees.
I've asked the question about areas already searched because I'm in the process of recommending areas to be searched.
If people don't want to share, that's fine. I'll go ahead, make my recommendations, and ignore their silly suspicions.

They're not my silly suspicions, they're the searchers, the PIs, and (maybe? don't know how involved they were) LE. Just to clarify.

WTF-the-original wrote:

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It is most likely that Maura was driving Maura’s car at the car accident and it was Maura seen by SBD. The reason: It is the simplest explanation that fulfills the known information. I.e. someone who looks like Maura driving Maura’s car identified by an eyewitness who says it looked like Maura is a simpler explanation than the “Maura was abducted in Amherst and at least two people drove her car and another car so they could get back to Amherst from where they dumped Maura’s car to try to make it look like she drove there and then no one seeing the second car they fled the scene to return to Amherst where they are doing whatever with Maura” but never relating a single morsel of this master plan to anyone, ever, in five years.
To make it into a conspiracy complicates an already unwieldy story which is simply that Maura ran away from school, probably intended to be for a little while and in the process had a crash while very likely intoxicated. In running from the crash (very likely it was a second crash) she met with an unknown fate. Possibly by a bad choice she made or a bad choice she made in combination with the hands of another.
“When you hear hoof beats think horses not zebras, and certainly not unicorns.”
Bill

All evidence considered, I tend to agree with you that Maura was the driver who crashed near the Weathered Barn and then disappeared. However, I am glad that other ideas are at least being considered. Perhaps it is out of a need to try to "do something"... and if she simply hid in the woods and perished accidently, or was taken by a stranger, there is not a whole heck of a lot I can do from Ohio to find her. And this case has really stuck with me. Maybe we can't find the truth through debating the few facts we have. Maybe the truth has to be LITERALLY dug up in New Hampshire. But all I can do is think of new ideas and try to determine their reasonability.

I guess, I'm just one who believes that when you hear hoof beats, it's usually horses, but you never know if a zebra has escaped from the zoo.

Anyway, thanks for your post.

Snowy White wrote:

There are large gaps in understanding the circumstances surrounding the Hadley accident.
Is anyone able to share details?
With significant damage, it's hard to believe the accident would go unnoticed by the police or observers...even if it was v. late at night/or very early morning.

It didn't go unnoticed by police. Maura was issued a summons for, I believe "driver inattention" or some such thing. It's my understanding that she slid on some ice.

Mason wrote:

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Easy. I have Google Satellite and Google terrain maps -- free internet programs. I can get down to within a couple hundred feet of the ground and see stuff clearly. Why don't you try it instead of taking pot shots at me and embarrassing yourself in the process.
And, if you had bothered to read ny several posts about searching, you would realize that the searches I'm recommending are for spring.
That's it. I'm done being nice to you. You are an idiot.

Mason your reply to Wowzer is rude. Snowy White makes plum pudding. Are you an extension of the former poster Professer Plum?

Firefly wrote:

<quoted text>I guess, I'm just one who believes that when you hear hoof beats, it's usually horses, but you never know if a zebra has escaped from the zoo.
Anyway, thanks for your post.

I can handle debating and I can sometimes see the merits of some of the zebra conversations.

It's those freaking unicorn conversations that drive me crazy.
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Bill

Mason wrote:

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Just so there is no misunderstanding, I am not suggesting Maura was into prostitution. I am suggesting that she knew the person whose vehicle she voluntarily got into because she had arranged to meet that person somewhere farther east to get rid of the Saturn.
I'm suggesting that person is responsible for the hit and run on Vasi while driving the Saturn and that person killed Maura to keep her from connecting him to that accident.
The rest of my answer regarding getting rid of a body may describe how this unknown person got rid of her body after killing her, or it may not. It's only a theory at this point.

Not bad theory, but needs filling in. Structure helps. Drawing a map of important Amherst places also helps.

Some part of this, maybe the disinformation part, might still come from near an fd.

good luck will provide safely very subt

FireCat wrote:

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They're not my silly suspicions, they're the searchers, the PIs, and (maybe? don't know how involved they were) LE. Just to clarify.

Sorry, Firecat. Wasn't directing that remark at you. I'm pretty frustrated and ready to take some people's heads off right now, figuratively speaking. You are definitely not one of those people because I respect what you say.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Mason your reply to Wowzer is rude. Snowy White makes plum pudding. Are you an extension of the former poster Professer Plum?

I'm definitely not Miss Scarlet. I haven't seen any posts by a Professor Plum, but I would love to sample Snowy White's plum pudding.

Sara wrote:

Good Morning,
So phone chargers were in fact in the car, which is something I had wondered about. Good to know!
My next thought would be, why was the phone gone, but chargers not? If I took my phone with me, I would definitely take charger. Any thoughts why the chargers were left behind?

planned to come back

i am sorry. i know I repeating myself, but i don't know if it got lost in the fighting or if no one is aware. did anyone else go missing at time

I vaguely recall reading about an accident report regarding Maura's accident in Hadley. I never saw it. Does this ring a bell with anyone?

It would be unusual for a cop not to ask the driver of a vehicle that she wrecked to perform field sobriety tests, including blow into a portable breath machine, if she had alcohol on her breath. I don't know if the cop asked her to perform the FSTs, but if he did, she must have passed the tests, or he would have cited her for DUI.

She must not have consumed much alcohol during the course of the evening beginning with dinner at the brewery with her dad and ending sometime after the dorm party ended around 2:30 am on Sunday morning.

With that as background information, together with the SBD's denial that the woman driving the Saturn appeared to be intoxicated, I'm inclined to conclude that Maura was not intoxicated when she got into the accident just past the Weathered Barn.

Question: If Maura isn't a drinker, why did she buy $40 worth of booze before leaving Amherst?

Question: When she left the Saturn, why did she bother to take a bottle of vodka, bottle of Kahlua, and a bottle of Bailey's with her along with her phone but not the phone chargers or the diamond necklace Billy gave her?

Question: Doesn't that sound like getting together with a friend for the evening to share some mudslides and check on the car in the morning?

Question: Should we be looking for a female friend with whom she enjoyed sipping mudslides?

goat wrote:

i am sorry. i know I repeating myself, but i don't know if it got lost in the fighting or if no one is aware. did anyone else go missing at time

I don't know, but it's an excellent question and it's possible that this other person may have returned to school in time for Wednesday's classes as opposed to disappearing as Maura did.

hi all, Saturday feb07 2004 ,Maura reportedly left her phone at the mystery party with Sara Alfieri.I keep going back to how much we learned on the MMM forum ,where it came from and how much of it was true.What do we have that puts Maura in Amherst on Monday feb 09 2004.The only concrete proof for me is the reported ATM video from the mystery bank that she used.This may also show the saturn being in Amherst and how it looked.Take care philip .

OK - First I don't want to come accross the wrong way here - and I don't want to come accross as if I'm talking to one person or the other.

I don't get why there is such a strong reaction at this point. It feels like it has been building up - not sure.

I suggest that posts be read and judged by their content and as soon as possible say what is disagreeable with and why - before it builds up.

I think in general Mason is trying to figure this out - he and I know what the minor disagreements are - but I do support his approach.(I'm not talking specifically about a search, but line of thought.)

The thing is - with one thing misjudged the rest of the cards can fall. That's why the honest skepticism is important - after all - were all human - all make mistakes -(not saying here necessarily that he did - just trying to make a point).

Name calling really accomplishes little in communicating what your actual objections are.