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pansie

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I vaguely recall reading about an accident report regarding Maura's accident in Hadley. I never saw it. Does this ring a bell with anyone?
It would be unusual for a cop not to ask the driver of a vehicle that she wrecked to perform field sobriety tests, including blow into a portable breath machine, if she had alcohol on her breath. I don't know if the cop asked her to perform the FSTs, but if he did, she must have passed the tests, or he would have cited her for DUI.
She must not have consumed much alcohol during the course of the evening beginning with dinner at the brewery with her dad and ending sometime after the dorm party ended around 2:30 am on Sunday morning.
With that as background information, together with the SBD's denial that the woman driving the Saturn appeared to be intoxicated, I'm inclined to conclude that Maura was not intoxicated when she got into the accident just past the Weathered Barn.
Question: If Maura isn't a drinker, why did she buy $40 worth of booze before leaving Amherst?
Question: When she left the Saturn, why did she bother to take a bottle of vodka, bottle of Kahlua, and a bottle of Bailey's with her along with her phone but not the phone chargers or the diamond necklace Billy gave her?
Question: Doesn't that sound like getting together with a friend for the evening to share some mudslides and check on the car in the morning?
Question: Should we be looking for a female friend with whom she enjoyed sipping mudslides?
I'm thinking that one possible explanation for why Maura brought the alcohol with her and not other things is that maybe it was already in her backpack, and she just grabbed the backpack and left.

I'm formulating another theory based on what I've heard about other women disappearing in the area. I'm wondering if it's possible that a) one person is responsible for all of the disappearances, and b) if Maura had somehow known him.

The reason that I think that she knew her abductor is that her behavior at the accident scene and the accident(s) themselves, to me, seem consistent with her behavior the previous five days. So I think that if she was abducted, it may have been set in motion days before it happened.

One theory is that the abductor lives in the area where Maura disappeared. Maybe she met him before on a vacation or something. For the people who know her, I'm wondering- is this possible? Say that he is a Ted Bundy type- a charmer who seems normal.

According to this theory, there are numerous things that could have been going on those last few days. Maybe he calls her and tells her that he's going to tell Billy, and they arrange to meet in the mountains to talk things through. Maybe he had come to Amherst for a visit.

I notice an impulsiveness about Maura's behavior in those last few days that seems out of character for her. What I really cannot come to terms with is that she was so far away from home with a bad car and no hotel reservation. Where was she planning to stay?
Shack

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Just a PS to my last Post...didn't mean to leave out Maura's siblings, or her Mom Laurie. Maura's Mom, last I heard,(her name doesn't come up often) has cancer and wasn't doing very well. I feel bad for her, as a mother, that she must feel helpless to do anything to help.
I have never met her, but, I recall one photo of her and it was sad..(for me to see)
Shack

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Recently someone Posted about Brianna Maitland,
missing in Vermont, about the same time as
Maura, with similarities as was Maura's plight.
Also, someone recently mentioned a quiry as to
whether VT had shared its various Town Dispatch
Logs, on route 91 North, with NH.
For those who have not read the site listed on
MMM.com under "News"...please do, when you
get a chance. "H.P. Albarelli - World Net Daily"...Form your own thoughts regarding integral L.E.(minimum of a dozen towns in VT on 91 before Bradford, VT...? and 1/2 doz. in MA 91)
I would find it comforting to know that both/all,
NH/VT were working together, on both cases..but, I dunno..

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Tuesday Dec 16
 
Lady Gray wrote:
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Mastermind, in his prior life, was a Mason who was determined to while away his days laughing at others that he viewed as being a Pansy. At other times, he just loved to say to others “Got your Goat!” Bart was a Beaver who loved historical figures such as Benjamin Franklin. ClaySoup also loved doppelgangers. And on and on and on.
After a while, true colors show themselves. Read with a fine and discerning eye.
Can I borrow some of your full body armor?

But on a sirious note - despite everything - I appreciate you being here -(even though I have less reason then yourself to be appreciative)

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Tuesday Dec 16
 
WTF-the-original wrote:
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It is most likely that Maura was driving Maura’s car at the car accident and it was Maura seen by SBD. The reason: It is the simplest explanation that fulfills the known information. I.e. someone who looks like Maura driving Maura’s car identified by an eyewitness who says it looked like Maura is a simpler explanation than the “Maura was abducted in Amherst and at least two people drove her car and another car so they could get back to Amherst from where they dumped Maura’s car to try to make it look like she drove there and then no one seeing the second car they fled the scene to return to Amherst where they are doing whatever with Maura” but never relating a single morsel of this master plan to anyone, ever, in five years.
To make it into a conspiracy complicates an already unwieldy story which is simply that Maura ran away from school, probably intended to be for a little while and in the process had a crash while very likely intoxicated. In running from the crash (very likely it was a second crash) she met with an unknown fate. Possibly by a bad choice she made or a bad choice she made in combination with the hands of another.
“When you hear hoof beats think horses not zebras, and certainly not unicorns.”
Bill
What is the simplist explanation if the school bus driver didn't really see the driver clearly, didn't really talk to her - but later, said he saw Maura because he assumed that it was her because people were looking for her?
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I suppose you have never laughed or told a joke in 5 years? And if Maura is found there are many other people out there that are missing for you to never ever joke again.
We both know that isn't realistic - but I'm not sure why you feel important to color a bit of fun into a crime. Its not a crime. All you hope to do is pick on Mason so he'll go away. I don't agree with everything he says - but I agree with more then I disagree - and when I disagree I say what it is I disagree with and why.
After your posts I still don't know what you disagree with - but if I or Mason knew - we might actually factor it in.
"Benjamin Franklyne," - The laughable sense of pride that you seem to speak with on this forum through the Internet to other virtual people indicates indubitably that your entire life revolves around the "Where is Maura Murray?" forum on topix.com . Instead of discussing and analyzing elements related to the disappearance of Maura Murray, you focus your entire existence on this forum around the other people who post here - who they are and what other nicknames they may have previously had on this forum, their relationship with the next person on this forum, whether they get along with the next person, what one person said about another one, etc. Rather than focusing on the context of what one is saying, you'll focus on them. You ostensibly don't have much of a social life, if any, in the real world in order to donate so much time to this site and be able to focus so intensely on what other people are doing. Anybody that possesses the ability to perceptively analyze can discern how pathetically serious you take what goes on in this forum, particularly in terms of non-Maura related material. From the posts that I've read from you which are impossible to eschew, and they seem to consistently appear every few hours for months, you care more about the other people in the forum than you ever will about Maura. I'm sure you'll dispute that to the death because, again, your entire life apparently revolves around this forum and God forbid your topix.com/Where-is-Maura-Murray reputation becomes jeopardized, but the proof is in the pudding. I remember commenting on something absurdly stupid that you said a week ago and I'm sure you became exceptionally butt-hurt although I don't remember what it was and I'm not going to scroll up. Do you pretend in your head that you're some type of admin on this site and so that makes you feel better?..To pretend that you have some level of power in some aspect of your life, albeit a web site dedicated to a missing woman? Stereotypical inferior complex. Why don't you just become a cop or a prison C.O.?

If you're going to spend your life on this forum, try to drop the inferior-complex and use your time and energy to analyze every single element that we know to be a fact surrounding Maura's disappearance in order to try and deduce something productive. "Mason" is a good example of someone who has spent their time and energy into creating very detailed, well-rounded and well-thought theories.
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Mason wrote:
I vaguely recall reading about an accident report regarding Maura's accident in Hadley. I never saw it. Does this ring a bell with anyone?
It would be unusual for a cop not to ask the driver of a vehicle that she wrecked to perform field sobriety tests, including blow into a portable breath machine, if she had alcohol on her breath. I don't know if the cop asked her to perform the FSTs, but if he did, she must have passed the tests, or he would have cited her for DUI.
She must not have consumed much alcohol during the course of the evening beginning with dinner at the brewery with her dad and ending sometime after the dorm party ended around 2:30 am on Sunday morning.
With that as background information, together with the SBD's denial that the woman driving the Saturn appeared to be intoxicated, I'm inclined to conclude that Maura was not intoxicated when she got into the accident just past the Weathered Barn.
Question: If Maura isn't a drinker, why did she buy $40 worth of booze before leaving Amherst?
Question: When she left the Saturn, why did she bother to take a bottle of vodka, bottle of Kahlua, and a bottle of Bailey's with her along with her phone but not the phone chargers or the diamond necklace Billy gave her?
Question: Doesn't that sound like getting together with a friend for the evening to share some mudslides and check on the car in the morning?
Question: Should we be looking for a female friend with whom she enjoyed sipping mudslides?
Very interesting points..

The fact that she took the liquor, her back pack, her cell phone, and her keys, is a HUGE clue.
StupidFace

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beach bum wrote:
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"Benjamin Franklyne," - The laughable sense of pride that you seem to speak with on this forum through the Internet to other virtual people indicates indubitably that your entire life revolves around the "Where is Maura Murray?" forum on topix.com . Instead of discussing and analyzing elements related to the disappearance of Maura Murray, you focus your entire existence on this forum around the other people who post here - who they are and what other nicknames they may have previously had on this forum, their relationship with the next person on this forum, whether they get along with the next person, what one person said about another one, etc. Rather than focusing on the context of what one is saying, you'll focus on them. You ostensibly don't have much of a social life, if any, in the real world in order to donate so much time to this site and be able to focus so intensely on what other people are doing. Anybody that possesses the ability to perceptively analyze can discern how pathetically serious you take what goes on in this forum, particularly in terms of non-Maura related material. From the posts that I've read from you which are impossible to eschew, and they seem to consistently appear every few hours for months, you care more about the other people in the forum than you ever will about Maura. I'm sure you'll dispute that to the death because, again, your entire life apparently revolves around this forum and God forbid your topix.com/Where-is-Maura-Murray reputation becomes jeopardized, but the proof is in the pudding. I remember commenting on something absurdly stupid that you said a week ago and I'm sure you became exceptionally butt-hurt although I don't remember what it was and I'm not going to scroll up. Do you pretend in your head that you're some type of admin on this site and so that makes you feel better?..To pretend that you have some level of power in some aspect of your life, albeit a web site dedicated to a missing woman? Stereotypical inferior complex. Why don't you just become a cop or a prison C.O.?
If you're going to spend your life on this forum, try to drop the inferior-complex and use your time and energy to analyze every single element that we know to be a fact surrounding Maura's disappearance in order to try and deduce something productive. "Mason" is a good example of someone who has spent their time and energy into creating very detailed, well-rounded and well-thought theories.
Hey Beachbum, or Just a Thought or whatever/whoever you are, why don't you go fuck yourself. You criticize others for being more concerned about other posters than about finding Maura, well you are certainly and obviously more guilty of that than Ben Franklin or anyone else on here, who has obviously put more useful information on this board than you have. You add nothing to the conversation but bashes on other posters. If you really feel that you must provide your thoughts on other people's personal lives based on their postings on a topic forum, then you should really stop posting on here yourself, because it paints you in a really bad light. Criticizing others for the same behavior you yourself are engaged in. You are a dispicable piece of trash and you need to shut your fucking mouth. I really hope this is all intended as a joke on your part and that you don't take yourself seriously, because if you do you are the most psychologically ill and hypocritical person on this site. BTW, don't bother responding to my post ANYONE, because although I DO care about what YOU all have to say about MAURA, I don't give a rats ass about what you say about me. But everytime I read something from this "laughable idiot" it gets under my skin. Please resume your discussions, I enjoy reading them.
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hi all,i keep thinking about a few things.The key for the saturn was used to drive the saturn to N,H,and where and when did the liquor go form the mystery liquor store.I dont think there was enough time for Maura to get from the mystery liquor store and go hang out with someone.Maybe she was headng over there and was grabbed.Maybe she was going home to her mom and was bringing a gift.I am stilll wondering which one of her friends said she 'did not want to get her in trouble'when she was asked about Maura after she vanished and what did she mean.I wil see ifi can dig it up.take care philp
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Tuesday Dec 16
 
Benjamin Franklyne wrote:
Obviously someone's been reading the forum and is upset that we might actually consider that she was drinking.
I don't care if she was drinking - what is more important is justice for Maura. No amount of drinking or anything else she might have done is more important.
dont see why? it certainlt would explain reluctancr to le being called

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Tuesday Dec 16
 
Benjamin Franklyne wrote:
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What is the simplist explanation if the school bus driver didn't really see the driver clearly, didn't really talk to her - but later, said he saw Maura because he assumed that it was her because people were looking for her?
Looks like all the night owls have been busy posting. A little language going on...my favorite expressive words (seriously!)...and Christmas cheer.
The full moon has passed, and we begin again.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/murray_...

Never having met Maura, of course, we may come to think we'd know her if we saw her on the street by her photos.

If asked, I'd say I have pretty good facial recognition...but 'hair down' really throws me.

I can understand if the SBD might not have accurately retained her image in his mind.

Shack, news of Maura's mother being ill is very sad. When you look around, it seems tragedy is often compounded by tragedy. Still, we are to trust that everything happens for a reason...

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Tuesday Dec 16
 
Snowy White,

Rapists target women wearing their hair tied back, this is a fact.

I learned through a NH Liquor Commissioner decades ago that the eyes and nose of a person never changes and to focus on this section of the face during the identification process.

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#9940
Tuesday Dec 16
 
What is bothersome about the BOLO is that it decribed a woman with long black hair.

Maura's hair is brown and as Weeper stated before cut in a bob style which is below the chin/shoulder length tops.
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Tuesday Dec 16
 
I've been thinking about Maura looking for directions to Attitash (Bartlett) Burlington (written directions) and Stowe. It sounds like a plan to get away for a few days or week. Did she ski? It does not sound like she is 'out of sorts' in any way. She finished a group project, returned some clothes, sent a few emails, etc...maybe her car had been repaired engine wise and she felt confident to drive it. She could have just gotten away to rethink some things...Also, I agree with Bill that following the accident with her dad's vehicle, most certainly LE would have tested her if he thought alcohol was involved.imho.

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Tuesday Dec 16
 
elsewherebriefly wrote:
Snowy White,
Rapists target women wearing their hair tied back, this is a fact.
I learned through a NH Liquor Commissioner decades ago that the eyes and nose of a person never changes and to focus on this section of the face during the identification process.
thanx, helpful to remember, EWB...
and try this:

http://mindbluff.com/movface.htm
Quija

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beach bum wrote:
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"Benjamin Franklyne," ... you focus your entire existence on this forum...
Hi beach bum,
Thought I'd chime in here and tell you guys I know Ben Franklyne! And he does more work and has more stuff going on in his life in one day than almost anyone I know. And he really is giving attention to Maura, not the pettier stuff we all succumb to! Onward.
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Seems timely.

Bill

How many forum members does it take to change a lightbulb?

1 to change the light bulb and 1 to post that the light bulb has been changed

14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently

7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs
27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs

53 to flame the spell checkers

41 to correct spelling/grammar flames

6 to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb"
... another 6 to condemn those 6 as anal-retentive

2 industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term is "lamp"

15 know-it-alls who claim they were in the industry, and that "light bulb" is perfectly correct

156 to email the participant's ISPs complaining that they are in violation of their "acceptable use policy"

109 to post that this forum is not about light bulbs and to please take this discussion to a lightbulb forum

203 to demand that cross posting to hardware forum, off-topic forum, and lightbulb forum about changing light bulbs be stopped

111 to defend the posting to this forum saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts are relevant to this forum

306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique and what brands are faulty

27 to post URL's where one can see examples of different light bulbs

14 to post that the URL's were posted incorrectly and then post the corrected URL's

3 to post about links they found from the URL's that are relevant to this group which makes light bulbs relevant to this group

33 to link all posts to date, quote them in their entirety including all headers and signatures, and add "Me too"

12 to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy

19 to quote the "Me too's" to say "Me three"

4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ
44 to ask what is a "FAQ"

4 to say "didn't we go through this already a short time ago?"

143 to say "do a Google search on light bulbs before posting questions about light bulbs"

1 new forum member to respond to the original post 6 months from now and start it all over again
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HAVE SOME RESPECT FOR OTHER PEOPLE....PLEASE

Language.....

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Anne wrote:
I've been thinking about Maura looking for directions to Attitash (Bartlett) Burlington (written directions) and Stowe. It sounds like a plan to get away for a few days or week. Did she ski? It does not sound like she is 'out of sorts' in any way. She finished a group project, returned some clothes, sent a few emails, etc...maybe her car had been repaired engine wise and she felt confident to drive it. She could have just gotten away to rethink some things...Also, I agree with Bill that following the accident with her dad's vehicle, most certainly LE would have tested her if he thought alcohol was involved.imho.
Agree on all points. Surely does look like a ski destination.

If we calm down and imagine the simpler explanation...a college kid setting out on a road trip, then it's not so unusual.
Taking $ out of her account, and anticipating more with her next check coming.
Not making a reservation because she/they will have a place to stay, or find one along the way.
Damn, it's not unusual!

There has been no one to back that up, however.

Her reaction to THE phone call and her disappearance is unusual; ditto the timing of the Vasi accident. Makes one's head spin around.

For the most part, I've kept close tabs on my kids (as if I could keep them safe from a distance!) and liked to know their plans for weekends if they traveled away from campus.
In this instance, the worst case scenario played out for Maura's family.

It's reasonable to see what is sinister in her disappearance, and yet it is entirely possible it didn't start out that way.
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elsewherebriefly wrote:
Snowy White,
Rapists target women wearing their hair tied back, this is a fact.
I learned through a NH Liquor Commissioner decades ago that the eyes and nose of a person never changes and to focus on this section of the face during the identification process.
I believe that the nose stays the same but not the eyes.My eyes look different than what they looked like 20 years ago. I believe eye shape changes with age, weight gain, weight loss etc but that's just my thought and I could be wrong.
I can't help but skim faces of young women when I go to restaurants here and in Maine. I look for that dimple that Maura has in the pictures when she is smiling.
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