Where is MAURA MURRAY

White Wash wrote:

My point is Fred said it how does one make that leap into that statement then say it was out of context?
I think when people say things yes they should be held accountable regardless of the situation!
It's called being an adult!
HPD had zero clue who or what Maura was!
Where do you think that information came from?
Her family the first month of press was Fred
telling Maura they would work it out as they
always had!
Then he launched into we should be scared she was Murdered!
I'm sorry you don't understand this fact that living here is a bit different that you reading
about it!
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Now you're pushing me when you make it personal.

Visit us north of Boston...enjoy the ocean...and the friendly, welcoming people.

In contrast, by my personal experiences and on this forum, I'd say comments like yours intend to push people away.
Wowzer is an exception to the rule.

If Fred holds answers, do you believe he would have shared such info with LE by now?

Are you part of a formal, sanctioned investigative team and have the right to the information you are demanding?

Reasonably speaking, what possible shame, guilt, criminal act or involvement on Maura's part would cause him to withhold the truth?
How would that help him find his own daughter?

Your accusations are...cruel.

White Wash,

My last question was directed at you.

How do you know Mr. Murray had to explain the squaw walk to HPD?

RUKidding wrote:

Sophie are you accusing me of being a clone?

Before your post gets buried, for what it's worth I do not think you are a clone or any of the multiple personalities that are showing themselves on this forum.

elsewherebriefly wrote:

Mr. Murray was trying to be agreeable and helpful with LE while also ensuring he was not to getting in their way while they were doing their jobs those first days.
Mr. Murray put a tremendous amount of faith in LE and his words were used against him in return. So weren't Billy's. But in Billy's case LE ignored his statements and announced that Maura and Billy were having relationship troubles!
Who repeated the squaw walk conversation to begin with?
How do you know Mr. Murray had to explain the squaw walk to HPD?

Well stated.
It is probably a fine line with LE...seeking a balance...if one perceives information is being used against you.

Still, after all these years, I can't imagine there is much left for Fred to hide...and that his motivation to find his daughter would be stronger than compromising that goal.

White Wash wrote:

My question is still the same!
Which is what other context is there to Fred's
statement?

In what other context could it be taken?

Its a good question.

Bill

Snowy White wrote:

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Not ignored, Advocator...definitely lost in the shuffle. Excellent option.
Lady Gray? ScooterD? Anne? Elsewherebriefly? Anybody else?

I'm all for it! Thanks Advocator - sorry I didn't see your previous posts.

Detective Columbo wrote:

johneyonetime
“top editor bristol ”
Detective Columbo wrote:
Chris Gray-Murdered
Tom Conrad-Murdered
Al Powell-Murdered
Patric McCarthy-Murdered
Dionne Nelson-Missing
Maura Murray-Missing
Brianna Maitland-Missing
let them go let them go just forget them
EXCUSE YOU????????
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Firecat....
I did not write the last line under Brianna's name.

Oh good lord I know you didn't!!!

Johneyoneeye wrote it. It must have gotten garbled in the copying from multiple sources. My comment was directed at him.

I'm so sorry if you or anyone else misread that! Yipes!!

Advocator wrote:

Everyone -- I've posted twice in the last couple of days that I've set up a private forum for discussion Maura's disappearance. There are advantages to such a forum -- searchable posts is a big one as we all know Topix is not searchable. Links and information such as the Timeline, photos of the Saturn, etc., all there in one place so we don't have to ask where to go to see this or that. I've promised to preserve poster anonymity so everyone can feel free to say what they want/need to say ... if posters are contributing nothing but spam, they'll be outta there.
I've seen some discussion over the last week or so about setting up other threads on Topix for pursuing specific aspects of Maura's case, and it seems to me that would be unwieldy to manage whereas different threads pursuing specific aspects in one forum are not difficult to manage. Thus far, though, I haven't seen any comments at all following up on my previous posts about the forum I set up -- so I don't know if the lack of comment means no one is interested, or whether my posts got lost in the stream, or whether somehow most of you are not even seeing them for some reason.
I'd like to know whether y'all are interested in a dedicated forum, as I'm not going to put more work into compiling resources and information if no one really wants that type of posting option.
It's not my nature to "push" anything onto anyone, so this is the last post I'll make about it unless folks are interested.
.

Didn't even see the post. Buried or removed. the latter is extremely interesting.

I've been hoping for that for a while. Just haven't had the time or resources to do so on my own. STupid finals.

Benjamin Franklyne wrote:

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Mason - all that matters are the contents of your posts. It doesn't matter if anyone thinks you are Big Foot

Damn, Mason. Looks like your cover is blown....

WTF-the-original wrote:

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In what other context could it be taken?
Its a good question.
Bill

The bottom line is that during those first few days/weeks both NHSP and Mr. Murray believed Maura hitched/accepted a ride.

I just went back and searched for articles containing the name Bruno. He was assigned to the case through NHSP Troop F at that time.

White Wash wrote:
My point is Fred said it how does one make that leap into that statement then say it was out of context?
I think when people say things yes they should be held accountable regardless of the situation!
It's called being an adult!
HPD had zero clue who or what Maura was!
Where do you think that information came from?
Her family the first month of press was Fred
telling Maura they would work it out as they
always had!
Then he launched into we should be scared she was Murdered!
<quoted text>

If you see parents or relatives of missing people at press conferences, they ALWAYS say that. They ALWAYS address their loved one, AS A PRECAUTION. In fact, they're probably advised to say that.

SCENARIO:

Ok, the person you love most in the entire universe is god forbid missing.

You have a chance to speak in public about this. You don't know for certain what happened to this person. S/he may have been abducted, murdered, wandered off, gone off into hiding on purpose, you don't know.

There is a teeny chance in the recess of your mind that this person MIGHT be alive. The police have indicated to you that this person has left of their own accord (which was the case in Maura's disappearance) for whatever reason.

You have ONE chance to say everything you ever wanted to say in the hopes that this person is alive to see it, and that if for whatever reason this person has run away, though you don't know why or from what, you have ONE chance to find the right thing to say to bring this person back.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WOULDN'T YOU SAY IT?????

Even knowing that five years later when this most beloved soul of yours is still missing, your words will be taken out of context and used to theorize that perhaps you knew what had happened to her to make her flee?

(If the police and the media would have let him, I'm sure Fred would STILL be in front of the camera, talking to his Maura, telling her how much he loves her and misses her and would do anything to bring her home. In whatever way he can, in fact, he still is. Maura, wherever you are, I hope you hear him.)

elsewherebriefly wrote:

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The bottom line is that during those first few days/weeks both NHSP and Mr. Murray believed Maura hitched/accepted a ride.
I just went back and searched for articles containing the name Bruno. He was assigned to the case through NHSP Troop F at that time.

Because, really, when your child disappears, your immediate instinct is that the police will help, that the police are in charge, that the police know what they're doing. You trust their words, because they're giving you answers of any kind, even if they're not the ones you'd hoped for. They're the authority. The Murrays and Rausches didn't go into this with a predetermined dislike or distrust of LE. Please remember this.

Snowy White wrote:

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Not ignored, Advocator...definitely lost in the shuffle. Excellent option.
Lady Gray? ScooterD? Anne? Elsewherebriefly? Anybody else?

I do think it's an excellant option to not only be able to search but also to keep the clones from overtaking the forum.
Please take what I am going to say with the spirit that it was meant and that is to help find Maura....
I also think it is important to keep the public Topix forum active also for new and fresh ideas.
While I haven't seen Advocator's forum it's apparent from the replies that he/she put a lot of time and work into it.
As long as it doesn't turn into a replica of the old MM site where the same few ideas by the same small group of people are gone over a million times and incessant bashing of the locals is allowed I think it would be a great place to talk and go over new ideas.

Are you kidding go back and read the first
throw on on LE week 1!

Oh please everyone time someone doesn't jump or performed to his likes we're sued or thrown under
the media bus!

Look around at other families dealing with high
profile cases!

Fred Murray called the first media gathering!

Believe what you want but the stories and facts are out there for those who can read them without
rose color glasses.

I sat down with HPD and that is what is the police report so I really care what you or anyone
believes simply facts speak for themselves I can't help those who refuse to view this in an open mind!

elsewherebriefly wrote:

Mr. Murray was trying to be agreeable and helpful with LE while also ensuring he was not to getting in their way while they were doing their jobs those first days.
Mr. Murray put a tremendous amount of faith in LE and his words were used against him in return. So weren't Billy's. But in Billy's case LE ignored his statements and announced that Maura and Billy were having relationship troubles!
Who repeated the squaw walk conversation to begin with?
How do you know Mr. Murray had to explain the squaw walk to HPD?

Odd seems Fred was on Nancy recently so who is stopping him?

FireCat wrote:

White Wash wrote:
My point is Fred said it how does one make that leap into that statement then say it was out of context?
I think when people say things yes they should be held accountable regardless of the situation!
It's called being an adult!
HPD had zero clue who or what Maura was!
Where do you think that information came from?
Her family the first month of press was Fred
telling Maura they would work it out as they
always had!
Then he launched into we should be scared she was Murdered!
<quoted text>
If you see parents or relatives of missing people at press conferences, they ALWAYS say that. They ALWAYS address their loved one, AS A PRECAUTION. In fact, they're probably advised to say that.
SCENARIO:
Ok, the person you love most in the entire universe is god forbid missing.
You have a chance to speak in public about this. You don't know for certain what happened to this person. S/he may have been abducted, murdered, wandered off, gone off into hiding on purpose, you don't know.
There is a teeny chance in the recess of your mind that this person MIGHT be alive. The police have indicated to you that this person has left of their own accord (which was the case in Maura's disappearance) for whatever reason.
You have ONE chance to say everything you ever wanted to say in the hopes that this person is alive to see it, and that if for whatever reason this person has run away, though you don't know why or from what, you have ONE chance to find the right thing to say to bring this person back.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WOULDN'T YOU SAY IT?????
Even knowing that five years later when this most beloved soul of yours is still missing, your words will be taken out of context and used to theorize that perhaps you knew what had happened to her to make her flee?
(If the police and the media would have let him, I'm sure Fred would STILL be in front of the camera, talking to his Maura, telling her how much he loves her and misses her and would do anything to bring her home. In whatever way he can, in fact, he still is. Maura, wherever you are, I hope you hear him.)

According to you all they are "dopes" so
seriously!
Get up from the computer wander around and ask
real people if they know what the "old squaw walk"
is.

Let see how many people know the answer!

Time for a little research!

You don't mind since you all want to help!

elsewherebriefly wrote:

White Wash,
My last question was directed at you.
How do you know Mr. Murray had to explain the squaw walk to HPD?

Must be since nobody has answered it just attacked my persoality!

But that is status quo for MMM and now here!

Freedom of Speech welcomed longs it's what they
want to hear!

WTF-the-original wrote:

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In what other context could it be taken?
Its a good question.
Bill

How did I make this personal?
What do you know of me?
What makes you sure I don't know the Boston area?
Let's be clear the PEOPLE you hang with in BOSTON
are nice THERE ARE VERY BAD PEOPLE IN BOSTON too this I KNOW FOR FACT!

I think if I spoke and attacked you as you just did me you'd feel otherwise.

I live here! I have friends who live up the road from where Maura's accident was so if anyone
has rights for it to be personal it's the FAMILY AND US who live here!

Like that FACT or Not is your problem not mine.

Snowy White wrote:

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Now you're pushing me when you make it personal.
Visit us north of Boston...enjoy the ocean...and the friendly, welcoming people.
In contrast, by my personal experiences and on this forum, I'd say comments like yours intend to push people away.
Wowzer is an exception to the rule.
If Fred holds answers, do you believe he would have shared such info with LE by now?
Are you part of a formal, sanctioned investigative team and have the right to the information you are demanding?
Reasonably speaking, what possible shame, guilt, criminal act or involvement on Maura's part would cause him to withhold the truth?
How would that help him find his own daughter?
Your accusations are...cruel.

White Wash wrote:

Fred Murray called the first media gathering!<quoted text>

Hmm, the first press conference was conducted by LE and as I recall, the Murray family had somehow neglected to be notified even though they were camped out in hotel rooms searching for Maura during this timeframe.

Anyone please correct me if I'm wrong about this but I specifically recall reading the reactions from the Murray family when this happened.

White Wash wrote:

Must be since nobody has answered it just attacked my persoality!
But that is status quo for MMM and now here!
Freedom of Speech welcomed longs it's what they
want to hear!
<quoted text>

White Wash,

I answered your question and I haven't attacked your personality in ages.