Where is MAURA MURRAY

I haven't yet but I still have several other
places I need to check I think it was April
for some reason.
But I'm still digging I get side tracked.
Did you find the article on Fred being
left out the Press Conf?
Does anyone have the article on the Road Block
conducted a week later?

elsewherebriefly wrote:

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By and chance White Wash,
Were you able to obtain the date the search warrant was issued for the cell tower info?
The search warrant was requested/issued several months after Maura's disappearance right??

Snowy White wrote:

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So why are you interested in helping to find a "jerk's" daughter?
Isn't there someone more worthy who needs help?

Well, I don't want to speak for Mason, but I know that I could care less about helping Fred Murray. Yet, if I can help Maura, or at least help to bring some justice to her or closer to this crazy merry-go-round, I will certainly do that.

If Fred Murray wants OUR help, then he can tell US what HE knows.

Oh, man, I too learned from "primary sources" that Maura was asked to leave West Point due to an Honor Code violation. And I am one of the "least connected" posters here --- I've been on the periphery all these years.

IIRC half the WP class drops out?

Honor Code violations can be as minor as: not leaving a door the specified number of inches open when there is someone of the other gender in the room; sitting too close to another, etc. Going off campus to get shampoo without permission. All these years we've been aware of the strictness and rigid quality of the codes. Having a gulp of cold beer on a hot day after hours of working out --- Honor Code violation!!!!!(if permission is not granted for that action.)

Look. Maura was a high achiever and not afraid of HARD WORK (course load, clinicals, and part-time jobs)!! It seems she maybe didn't do everything by the book every minute. And I like her for that, even tho I never knew her. I'm gonna sound like a preacher, but.... can't we just think: OK, Maura just wasn't rigid enough to live in a regimented world any longer. She must have been humiliated to be asked to leave, especially if others knew she goofed (everyone always knows this stuff --- it's happened with me too as a teen and the last thing you want is a phone call saying, "Hey, I heard what happened.") NOT saying that was the mystery call Fri AM.

FOR HER DISAPPEARANCE, the only new factor to add into the equation of the pressures, stresses, and possible self-medication of drinking with her friends is: additional embarrassment. To me, this just slants things a little more towards her thinking about running away, maybe "getting away" to think about what to do next since it sure looked like she didn't plan to return to UMass. HOWEVER, it still leaves us with all the same options and questions of WHAT HAPPENED NEXT? It doesn't mean she didn't have an accident, didn't meet with foul play, didn't get too cold that night and with a possible head injury wander into a place she hasn't been found yet.

So that's my speech. Except to add, that if anyone knows the stupid details of Maura's mistake, her "honor code violation", I sure don't want to read them posted here! This is the strongest statement I've made on any forum.

FoolsGold wrote:

Somewhere in the immediate area she either accepted a ride from a passing vehicle or approached a nearby home and ran into trouble.

You forgot, ran into the woods. Well there you have it. You solved the case. So basically you are saying that she could be located anywhere in the world, correct. Thanks for the help.

Read some of the prior information as too why her prior state of mind might be of interest or important. Not dissuading you from participation at all but go through some of the background material first.

Bill

White Wash wrote:

I haven't yet but I still have several other
places I need to check I think it was April
for some reason.
But I'm still digging I get side tracked.
Did you find the article on Fred being
left out the Press Conf?
Does anyone have the article on the Road Block
conducted a week later?
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Hey White Wash,

Thanks for the prompt reply.

I'll try my best to produce the article/passage regarding the Murray family being up in the area and exluded from the intial press conference held by LE.

A road block set up a week later, that's news to me! Might it have been reported in one of the smaller papers re: Valley News?

elsewherebriefly wrote:

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Speaking of which:
A couple of months ago the body of a woman was found behind a church in Rochester.
It was reported in the article tht NHSP brought in a crane and processed/photographed the area inch by inch.
Not much else has been written/reported about the case but I'm thankful to NHSP for going above and beyond, literally, the way they have.

EWB ~ i have some basic faith, trust and hope in law enforcement.

i am also thankful for john walsh's having raised awareness by his tragedy many years ago.

there was a time when you didn't have to fear turning away from a stroller for a minute, allowing your kids to walk to school unescorted, or play in the yard.

it would be nicer, still, if maura and her family could benefit by his work.

Mastermind wrote:

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Well, I don't want to speak for Mason, but I know that I could care less about helping Fred Murray. Yet, if I can help Maura, or at least help to bring some justice to her or closer to this crazy merry-go-round, I will certainly do that.
If Fred Murray wants OUR help, then he can tell US what HE knows.

Good point, Mastermind.
Still, he is a grieving father...not a "jerk".

Mastermind wrote:

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Although I think it's great that people are willing to try anything to solve this case, even astrology, I am not certain I can buy the theory that she was having an affair or that she was pregnant. Not that I discount it entirely, but it seems that if this were the case, and she had someone going along with her, a new boyfriend, or someone she was having an affair with, that she wouldn't have taken the Saturn. The Saturn, in my mind, indicates that she went alone. She was already afraid of the car, and I am certain a boyfriend, etc., that cared enough for her to go away with her, wouldn't want her driving a car she felt unsafe in. Also, we may be able to deduce that she wasn't too sure where she was going, since she had called a number of places earlier in the day, which were mostly dead ends, and was carrying a number of directions to places in VT and NH. In my mind, it seems as if she were attempting to locate a place to stay on her own, and by the time she reached NH, she, herself, may still not have known where she was going. Something indicates to me that she was behaving irrationally, and I have a hard time believing that if another person was involved in her taking the trip that they, also, would have been behaving as irrationally as to warrant her not knowing where she was going within at least the few hours before she disappeared. Unless, of course, her new boyfriend secretly wanted to kill her or was a pathetic and dysfunctional dope.
I'm not discounting that perhaps she had an affair or was seeing someone new. But it doesn't seem to me that this person made the trip with her.
The one fact that we have is the Maura Murray disappeared. Someone knows why, someone knows how, or someone has a really good idea of what was going on with her leading up to her disappearance. I'd bet a box of cheerios that at least one poster on this site knows, and that they are very, very craftily deterring us from certain theories that touch close to home.

Agree. Thank you for elaborating...with sound reasoning.

Quija wrote:

Oh, man, I too learned from "primary sources" that Maura was asked to leave West Point due to an Honor Code violation. And I am one of the "least connected" posters here --- I've been on the periphery all these years.
IIRC half the WP class drops out?
Honor Code violations can be as minor as: not leaving a door the specified number of inches open when there is someone of the other gender in the room; sitting too close to another, etc. Going off campus to get shampoo without permission. All these years we've been aware of the strictness and rigid quality of the codes. Having a gulp of cold beer on a hot day after hours of working out --- Honor Code violation!!!!!(if permission is not granted for that action.)
Look. Maura was a high achiever and not afraid of HARD WORK (course load, clinicals, and part-time jobs)!! It seems she maybe didn't do everything by the book every minute. And I like her for that, even tho I never knew her. I'm gonna sound like a preacher, but.... can't we just think: OK, Maura just wasn't rigid enough to live in a regimented world any longer. She must have been humiliated to be asked to leave, especially if others knew she goofed (everyone always knows this stuff --- it's happened with me too as a teen and the last thing you want is a phone call saying, "Hey, I heard what happened.") NOT saying that was the mystery call Fri AM.
FOR HER DISAPPEARANCE, the only new factor to add into the equation of the pressures, stresses, and possible self-medication of drinking with her friends is: additional embarrassment. To me, this just slants things a little more towards her thinking about running away, maybe "getting away" to think about what to do next since it sure looked like she didn't plan to return to UMass. HOWEVER, it still leaves us with all the same options and questions of WHAT HAPPENED NEXT? It doesn't mean she didn't have an accident, didn't meet with foul play, didn't get too cold that night and with a possible head injury wander into a place she hasn't been found yet.
So that's my speech. Except to add, that if anyone knows the stupid details of Maura's mistake, her "honor code violation", I sure don't want to read them posted here! This is the strongest statement I've made on any forum.

Thanks for always being so refreshingly 'human'. ;-)

Quija, to my way of thinking, I'd also prefer not to read the details of Maura's "mistakes" here...only because the interpretations to follow may be wholly inaccurate.

Back, then, to square one...what is appropriately revealed, and what should be withheld? What are the boundaries of inquiry and decency?

Well in the North we allow Guest first!

Snowy White wrote:

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stop being such an ass.

Snowy White wrote:

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EWB ~ i have some basic faith, trust and hope in law enforcement.
i am also thankful for john walsh's having raised awareness by his tragedy many years ago.
there was a time when you didn't have to fear turning away from a stroller for a minute, allowing your kids to walk to school unescorted, or play in the yard.
it would be nicer, still, if maura and her family could benefit by his work.

I agree Snowy White.

I was a sophmore in high schoool when Tammy Belanger went missing and her being snatched from my community, Exeter, NH, has left an impression that I have yet to find the words to describe.

Her disappearance in 1985 led to the first set of protocols across the nation for missing children and for this the state of New Hampshire should be proud.

Thankfully through his terrible tragedy, John Walsh picked up the ball and run with it in so many positive and influencial ways.

I am also thankful that he and his wife were able able to provide their son a proper burial.

elsewherebriefly wrote:

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I agree Snowy White.
I was a sophmore in high schoool when Tammy Belanger went missing and her being snatched from my community, Exeter, NH, has left an impression that I have yet to find the words to describe.
Her disappearance in 1985 led to the first set of protocols across the nation for missing children and for this the state of New Hampshire should be proud.
Thankfully through his terrible tragedy, John Walsh picked up the ball and run with it in so many positive and influencial ways.
I am also thankful that he and his wife were able able to provide their son a proper burial.

For these reasons, parents have become increasingly protective of children. The term "sexual predator" has only become mainstream in recent years.

Vigilance and an expectation to know the whereabouts of our kids, along with teaching safety and awareness does not inhibit a capacity for developing independence.

For those who scoff at parents who extend this way of thinking to college aged sons/daughters, remember the world is not what it was 30 years ago. There are many options to check in and keep in touch that are unique to families.

Snowy White wrote:

<quoted text>there was a time when you didn't have to fear turning away from a stroller for a minute, allowing your kids to walk to school unescorted, or play in the yard.

That time never existed.

People just thought it did and no one had any information gathering system to understand that the world was just as dangerous a place then as it is now. We also have become a nation that doesn’t think anything bad should happen, ever, to anyone. And what is worse is that there are people out there that are willing to sacrifice any freedom, give up any liberty, squeeze any amount of joy out of life by taking away all risk and chance out of life. Even down things as basic as individual choice on such personal things as to if I should leave or stay and who I must tell if I do. All under the illusion of keeping everyone safe.

Bill

WHITE WASH wrote:

I have the police log which I tried to scan w/no luck.
The officers where at the Pike school so
they where stopped those speeding coming
through the school is my view.
I don't think it was intended to be red trucks I just think those where the ones speeding and it was a nice HOOK
to keep it going in a direction spun.
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Don't worry about scanning it - just tell us if it gives specifics & what they are. You stated you think only the red trucks were speeding to create a "hook"?? Which means a group of red truck owners got together, said "Hey - let's all speed past Pike School - that'll really confuse them when RO tells LE about the red truck she saw!!" Ah...don't think so.

WTF-the-original wrote:

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That time never existed.
People just thought it did and no one had any information gathering system to understand that the world was just as dangerous a place then as it is now. We also have become a nation that doesn’t think anything bad should happen, ever, to anyone. And what is worse is that there are people out there that are willing to sacrifice any freedom, give up any liberty, squeeze any amount of joy out of life by taking away all risk and chance out of life. Even down things as basic as individual choice on such personal things as to if I should leave or stay and who I must tell if I do. All under the illusion of keeping everyone safe.
Bill

I can speak specifically to my family, and beg to disagree at the suggestion of universally sapping joy/risk/and individual choice from our now adult offspring.

Were they wholly "safe"? No.
Street-wise kids may be safer than their suburban or rural counterpart. All depends.

I'm glad I did rather than didn't; glad I had the luxury to be an anchor; and pleased with the outcome.

Mason wrote:

Fred Murray also has accused the cops of not trying to contact him for almost 24 hours after Maura disappeared. Sgt Smith tells a different story.....
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OK, I'm willing to let him slide on that, but to accuse the cops of not trying to reach him under those circumstances is beyond the pale and yet another example of acting like a jerk.
I'm not saying he always acts like a jerk, but I believe this case would have been solved a long time ago if he had acted with grace and dignity instead of trying to set the whole county on its ear.
What in the Hell was he thinking?

I don't know Fred - maybe he's a "jerk" maybe he isn't. But I do know if I was missing a loved one - all "grace and dignity" I had in me would more than likely disappear in a heartbeat! Going through the stages of grief - I'd try to explain the unexplainable; I'd be angry; I'd blame anyone that walked near me and so on. And Lord knows no one would know "what in the hell I was thinking"..my mind and thoughts would be in ultimate turmoil!

One other quick ? for you Mason: Only curious - did you find out Maura's birthdate? As you stated before - it does make a difference in accuracy. Wanted to keep that in mind while I re-read your post - thanks!

I don't prefer big brother to restrict my freedoms.

And, yes, Bill..there is an overall, unrealistic expectation to avoid tragedies at every level in our society.

Guess you've gotta' weigh the risks.

Snowy White wrote:

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I hesitate to be more specific than I already have, FireCat.
It is an excellent article...and well written.

Snowy, Firecat or White Wash - I'm working on bookmarking any articles written re: Maura - directly from the paper not pasted in the forum. Could one of you guys tell me which paper it was written in AND the date it was published in the paper? Thanks so much!

Snowy White wrote:

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Gosh, it's hard to make a sensible point here...given FireCat's post was judged nuts.
Completely agree, FireCat.
And yankee, making the decision to leave a prestigious institution/change a major is often difficult...and may be perceived as a loss and/or failure by a high-achieving student.
Chem Eng is not a cakewalk.
Deans of Students will tell you this can be a critical juncture, where even some very bright students may choose not to transfer and just drop-out.
Social considerations are also significant in having to re-establish new friendships.
I give Maura tremendous credit for making the switch from WP to UMASS.
I have witnessed these issues, first-hand.

That may all be true, but it really isn't pertinent if she was asked to leave.

Quija wrote:

So that's my speech. Except to add, that if anyone knows the stupid details of Maura's mistake, her "honor code violation", I sure don't want to read them posted here!

I know what we have been told for the last almost 5 years. If we have been lied to for 5 years that is of interest. If they just said we don’t want to discuss it because we don’t feel its relevant that would have been different than making something up and lying, IF THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED and I don’t know if it is. Is it relevant if during her time at WP she was found to use drugs? How about stealing? What about cheating? What about a psychiatric disorder? Is any of that relevant? Doesn’t that open more possibilities for places to she might be? Doesn’t it also change the crowds you might want to look at as suspects or associates? If it doesn’t than I don’t think you are really thinking with any depth.

There have been several times that I felt as though the collective was jerked around. While they spent weeks and months on certain information trying to figure it out, others in the group knew all along what the answer was and didn’t say anything while everyone cycled through the same scenarios over and over. I wish I could search the old forum for specific examples but I can’t. Then certain tidbits would be released to titillate, such as the missing panties. How long did they know about that before it came out? Is it even relevant or just another hook to keep people involved? There plenty of people who want to hammer the police about what was done but there is plenty of blame when it comes to how this was and is being handled by the family as well.

Bill