Where is MAURA MURRAY

All of Maura's friends need to be re-interviewed because at least one of them probably knows she was having an affair, but didn't want to mention it because she thought Maura had been murdered by Joe the Serial Killer and revealing what she knew would only hurt Billy and both families.

Hopefully, if re-interviewing her friends doesn't produce a name, it will produce enough information for the cops or the PIs to identify this person.

And, for God's sake check the super duper top secret art gallery where she worked.

ScooterD wrote:

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I think yankee was asking about Advocators site...yes??

Right....yankee asked twice, so I reiterated.

I appreciate the advance work done by Advocator, and look forward to organization and logic at whatever location and in whatever format is chosen.
At the same time, I also hope the issues of how a new site will be moderated can be worked out to everyone's satisfaction.

RUKidding wrote:

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You really are a pompous ass aren't you?

Frankly, she is not any more or less so than the rest of us.

ScooterD wrote:

Mastermind - Mason: Trying to understand... what makes you think that Maura had a father-family from "hell"? Something you read? Heard????
Thanks.

Good question.

Now that I would be very interested in please post the link!
Thanks

elsewherebriefly wrote:

Firecat,
Thanks for confirming my post regarding the Murray family not being informed about the first press conference that was held by LE those first few days.
I'll be sure to scour the net for that particular article.

FireCat wrote:

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By whom were you told this?
Regarding the death in the family emails, she emailed her professors. Many professors don't get involved in the personal lives of students, and yes that includes not emailing or calling them to find out how they are after the death of a family member. It's an invasion of privacy, and it crosses a boundary many professors are not comfortable crossing (and many students aren't either).
I have, on occasion, replied to a student's email that I was sorry for their loss. I have never called one to ask how they were. On very rare occasions if a student is usually conscientious about attending class and he or she suddenly stops attending for a number of weeks in a row, I have been known to send out an "everything ok? haven't seen you" email, but as I said that was on very rare occasions (I think I've done it twice) and both with students who had been in several of my classes. I also don't generally reach out until a student has been unexpectedly out of attendance for an extended period of times.
So the fact that no one responded to Maura's emails--which were to professors--is not particularly surprising, from the point of view of a fellow academic.
But I do want to reiterate my first question: from whom did you hear that Maura was asked not to return to West Point? And who asked her?(was it WP? her family? who?) And why do you trust this source more than the family?
Maura's family has no reason to lie. None.

Yes, time to back up statements with facts...or it becomes the merry-go-round effect.
Just to add that the availability of college/university health centers and academic advisors are other points of contact for students who may struggle with academics, choices of intended majors, and emotional issues.

Saturnus,

Thanks for popping in when you did yesterday and confirming my post regarding the experts statements.

Re: The person(s) responsible for Maura's disappearance has done it before and will do it again.

And BF,

Thanks for your recent post as well.

The time line is the most important aspect of solving difficult cases such as Maura's.

I learned this through Dr. Godwin amidst many other things and I am thankful to him for sharing/volunteering his expertise.

Of course I'm thankful to Weeper and the other volunteer private investigators for all of their hard work and dedication.

FireCat wrote:

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Snowy, she wrote it. As she explained earlier today, she ran it by LE to confirm facts and quotes (which is standard practice from what I understand--you always umpteen-double-check your sources) and then the editor....well, edited it.(it's why they get paid the big bucks, lol)

I hesitate to be more specific than I already have, FireCat.
It is an excellent article...and well written.

White Wash wrote:

Now that I would be very interested in please post the link!
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By and chance White Wash,

Were you able to obtain the date the search warrant was issued for the cell tower info?

The search warrant was requested/issued several months after Maura's disappearance right??

FireCat wrote:

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Maybe it's as simple as it wasn't making her happy. Yeah, it's prestigious, but why go through it if it isn't what you want to do with your life? Maybe Maura's life wasn't about prestige but about wanting to help people, and she felt that nursing was more her vocation than chemical engineering.
Not everyone WANTS to be a military officer.

Gosh, it's hard to make a sensible point here...given FireCat's post was judged nuts.

Completely agree, FireCat.
And yankee, making the decision to leave a prestigious institution/change a major is often difficult...and may be perceived as a loss and/or failure by a high-achieving student.

Chem Eng is not a cakewalk.

Deans of Students will tell you this can be a critical juncture, where even some very bright students may choose not to transfer and just drop-out.

Social considerations are also significant in having to re-establish new friendships.

I give Maura tremendous credit for making the switch from WP to UMASS.

I have witnessed these issues, first-hand.

FireCat wrote:

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Fine. You're dense. Happy now?:-D
(hadn't occurred to me either. I'm mostly grey, but apparently there's still some blond left after all)

I have news for you!
I am...well, "snowy white"...
We can just call it "arctic blonde"...a pleasing term.

WHISTON wrote:

hi White Wash.To Borrow from Weepers post posted feb 24 06 on the old forum.It is 540 feet from mrAtwwods porch to where the saturn was actually found .The view is unobscured. The blue ribbon tree is not where the saturn ended up.I think he could see the accident scene.Please look at Advocates new site .It is a thing of beauty. Take care philip

What is this new site's web address please?

Mason wrote:

Part 5 of 5
If her lover killed her, it would not have been the first time that a married man murdered his pregnant mistress and it certainly would not have been the last time.
Alternatively, maybe her lover wasn’t married and they eloped to start a new life together. I see two problems with this scenario. First, why not elope and leave the Saturn in a dorm parking lot? It would have been a much simpler plan. Second, I suspect the cops checked with Sprint to see if any towers registered her pinging phone and the public would have been notified if the answer was yes. Nevertheless, because I want to believe that she is alive and happy somewhere, I have a strong emotional preference for this alternative.
I long ago ruled out suicide as a possibility.
M

To my view, such is the stuff of soap operas.

Unintended pregnancy is well managed in today's society, especially by an intelligent young woman, IMO.

Mason wrote:

The serial killer theory is a cop-out. It should only be regarded as a possibility after all of the more traditional motives for homicide have been investigated and ruled out.
Why, because there is no way to prove or disprove it unless somebody gets caught in connection with another homicide and confesses to killing Maura. It's another way of saying I want to give-up working and thinking and investigating her disappearance.
It's also a way to continue to pretend that Maura was a saint and her family is perfect.
How can anyone seriously believe that during a 6 to 8 minute period on a Monday night in February, Joe the Serial Killer just happened to appear as if by magic on Rte 112 and somehow coax Maura to get into his car?
Whether the SBD was watching or not, he could be seen sitting in his bus. Plus lights were on in houses along both sides of the street. Obviously no one was watching, but that doesn't mean that a hyper-alert serial killer with murder in mind is going to take that risk.
On the other hand, someone she knew could roll up, say "hop in," and be on his way without coming to a stop.
Don't fall for the serial-killer theory. They usually don't take those kinds of chances. It's lazy thinking to give-up and say the boogeyman did it.
Where are your critical thinking skills?

Mason, where are YOUR critical thinking skills when developing theories from "psychic-mode"?

To be fair, why not let each theory stand on it's own merits? Record it, as you have, affirm whether it is believable to you, or not...but refrain from attacking those who subscribe to other possibilities.

It is arrogant to state, as you have:
"The serial killer theory is a cop-out."
"It's also a way to continue to pretend that Maura was a saint and her family is perfect."
"It's lazy thinking..."
"It's another way of saying I want to give-up working and thinking and investigating her disappearance."

Works both ways.
Someone considers your theorizing, and you theirs.

Mason wrote:

We can excuse him for acting that way by reasoning that he was under a lot of stress and so on, which is true. But that doesn't mean he didn't act like a jerk.
If I'm a cop interviewing him about Maura and he makes a reference to hoping she didn't do the squaw walk, I'm going to ask him what that means because I've never heard that term. When he offers me the same explanation he told the cops, of course, I'm going to think he just admitted that he's afraid she might have committed suicide.
Then, if he's constantly yammering about how incompetent the cops are, I'm going to be asking myself why this jerk is jacking us around when there is no way that we could have prevented her from killing herself since she left the scene of the accident before we even got there.
For hi to later claim that he never said has to be a lie because "squaw-walk" is not a commonly used expression. Are we supposed to believe that the cops made-up that story?
That's ludicrous and this is another instance where Fred Murray acted like a jerk.

So why are you interested in helping to find a "jerk's" daughter?
Isn't there someone more worthy who needs help?

Thanks it required taking time off from my job and a lot of work that of which I simply refuse to apply
to a forum format since there are those who are
simply evil so why waste time and effort on
peanut judging!
We must have different Disney movies the Snow White I remember certainly had a different personally than yours.

Snowy White wrote:

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I hesitate to be more specific than I already have, FireCat.
It is an excellent article...and well written.

Well some may think you're a jerk are you saying your child should be punished for you being a jerk?
Do you simply fly out bed instead of rising from
the wrong side?

Snowy White wrote:

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So why are you interested in helping to find a "jerk's" daughter?
Isn't there someone more worthy who needs help?

White Wash wrote:

Thanks it required taking time off from my job and a lot of work that of which I simply refuse to apply
to a forum format since there are those who are
simply evil so why waste time and effort on
peanut judging!
We must have different Disney movies the Snow White I remember certainly had a different personally than yours.
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stop being such an ass.

Snowy White wrote:

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It is arrogant to state, as you have:
"The serial killer theory is a cop-out."

Speaking of which:

A couple of months ago the body of a woman was found behind a church in Rochester.

It was reported in the article tht NHSP brought in a crane and processed/photographed the area inch by inch.

Not much else has been written/reported about the case but I'm thankful to NHSP for going above and beyond, literally, the way they have.

Snowy White wrote:

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To my view, such is the stuff of soap operas.
Unintended pregnancy is well managed in today's society, especially by an intelligent young woman, IMO.

Although I think it's great that people are willing to try anything to solve this case, even astrology, I am not certain I can buy the theory that she was having an affair or that she was pregnant. Not that I discount it entirely, but it seems that if this were the case, and she had someone going along with her, a new boyfriend, or someone she was having an affair with, that she wouldn't have taken the Saturn. The Saturn, in my mind, indicates that she went alone. She was already afraid of the car, and I am certain a boyfriend, etc., that cared enough for her to go away with her, wouldn't want her driving a car she felt unsafe in. Also, we may be able to deduce that she wasn't too sure where she was going, since she had called a number of places earlier in the day, which were mostly dead ends, and was carrying a number of directions to places in VT and NH. In my mind, it seems as if she were attempting to locate a place to stay on her own, and by the time she reached NH, she, herself, may still not have known where she was going. Something indicates to me that she was behaving irrationally, and I have a hard time believing that if another person was involved in her taking the trip that they, also, would have been behaving as irrationally as to warrant her not knowing where she was going within at least the few hours before she disappeared. Unless, of course, her new boyfriend secretly wanted to kill her or was a pathetic and dysfunctional dope.

I'm not discounting that perhaps she had an affair or was seeing someone new. But it doesn't seem to me that this person made the trip with her.

The one fact that we have is the Maura Murray disappeared. Someone knows why, someone knows how, or someone has a really good idea of what was going on with her leading up to her disappearance. I'd bet a box of cheerios that at least one poster on this site knows, and that they are very, very craftily deterring us from certain theories that touch close to home.