Where is MAURA MURRAY

Oh My,

Hillsboro, NH. In cumberland farms June 06. After the grandmother checked with the clerk regarding the description, she immediately knew to whom the grandmother was referring to. This was months after the siting as the grandmother did not know at the time it was Maura. She saw Mr Murray on the news with a picture of Maura Nov or Dec 06.

It has been confirmed that IT WAS NOT MAURA with the painter man. This is a fact.

MOE

mcsmom wrote:

paris..... you are correct in what Smith allegedly said about the rag.
100% correct.

mcsmom, I am asking who said it or where is it written that this was said. I would like to know if it is second, third or fourth hand information or if it is on video tape. I also would like to know what the context was. Did he say it because this has indeed happened before if he said it at all? Was another statement misinterpreted by someone to mean this? As a form of suicide placing a towel in the muffler is pretty useless. I have also never heard of it being used as a signaling device. That is why I am suspicious of this statement. There appears to be lots more bad information floating around in this case than verified information.

B

Cosmic Moe, This is the first time that I have heard that it is CONFIRMED! By whom? When? Where?. Very interesting.

I second question mark's inquiry - I'd never heard that that "sighting" was confirmed either way. Personally, I doubt that it was Maura, but I don't know that it wasn't.

I think it's very interesting that the man who attacked JLIH in Bridgton on Rt 302 (same road, direct route to Bath/Woodsville) has been in this area for decades, out of jail during many of the murders and disappearances that Silky has listed on her website.

Paris,
I'm so sorry about your sister's ordeal. It does make me think more about someone close to Maura making bad life choices. That's something I believe in my gut. Someone got her into whatever she got into. I don't believe she got into trouble on her own. I believe tip-toeing at the MMM site because it was run by the family may have kept others from discussing theories. Let's not shoot any down here. It's important to keep open minds but not forget known facts. Let go of the ego folks. It does not serve you well. Old posters, new posters, there are bound to be challenging personalities who accuse. That's standard on Topix I have found. You need to find greater resilience. It's not all about you! It's about coming together to help find a missing girl. SO, my advice; snap out of it, play nice and don't take it personal. Keep your story out of this story.

It was the Fire Dept who actually found the rag
while securing the car for leaking fluids not Sgt. Smith. Sgt Smith was informed of this when he returned from obtaining statements by the Fire Dept.

WTF wrote:

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mcsmom, I am asking who said it or where is it written that this was said. I would like to know if it is second, third or fourth hand information or if it is on video tape. I also would like to know what the context was. Did he say it because this has indeed happened before if he said it at all? Was another statement misinterpreted by someone to mean this? As a form of suicide placing a towel in the muffler is pretty useless. I have also never heard of it being used as a signaling device. That is why I am suspicious of this statement. There appears to be lots more bad information floating around in this case than verified information.
B

White Wash wrote:

It was the Fire Dept who actually found the rag
while securing the car for leaking fluids not Sgt. Smith. Sgt Smith was informed of this when he returned from obtaining statements by the Fire Dept.
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Thank you. I had never heard that is where that statement came from. So it wasn't Sgt Smith. It was a statement taken by Sgt Smith from someone on the FD.

B

Bill....according to Sharon, and posted on the old forum, Cecil Smith when asked about the rag in the tailpipe reportedly replied "that's something MA people do"...etc
Had Smith spoken to Fred prior to this regarding the rag? Thus this statement by Smith could be referencing a prior conversation, or event, and likely the context in which he makes this statement was not revealed.

White Wash wrote:

It was the Fire Dept who actually found the rag
while securing the car for leaking fluids not Sgt. Smith. Sgt Smith was informed of this when he returned from obtaining statements by the Fire Dept.
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Can you post the source of this, I was always led to believe EMTs were turned away and not allowed near the car. If this is true it changes things for me about CSmith rushing to the neighbors about Maura, the rag and where was she now....did they happen to see her. Yes, just a couple minutes before you arrived they said. It changes the idea that CS thought it may already be a crime scene in my mind if true.

It was also my understanding that EMS/Fire was kept away from the car by LE, I thought by Smith.

"Watching" says "keep your story out of this story" - I disagree. It is at least possible that someone here - like JLIH - has a story that is relevant to Maura's story. Who's "trying to control"? Anyone who says "don't post this - do post that" - isn't "trying" to control - they are controlling. Saying "I disagree" is very different. It means that I am not telling you what to post or not, but merely stating my opinion.

I've said before and will say again, there are things that I wouldn't tolerate on the MMM forum, including those who insisted without proof that she was drunk. I wouldn't tolerate it because it was the family's own site, and deserved to be respected as such. This is more of a discussion, and so it can be a little different. Still, if you accuse Maura of something of which there's no proof, your still going to get a major argument from me.

I do believe fire checked this vehicle for fluids...but in doing so wouldn't they have likely discovered the bottle with the" strong alcoholic smell", the same one Smith discovered after the car was placed on the flatbed?
Do we know at what time the search warrant was obtained yet?
What would have constituted as probable cause for obtaining this search warrant?

The dispatch logs which you can get off www.hansonexpress.com you can see it for yourself.
EMT's arrived and where released. The Fire Dept
stayed and assisted with the search.

just me wrote:

<quoted text>Can you post the source of this, I was always led to believe EMTs were turned away and not allowed near the car. If this is true it changes things for me about CSmith rushing to the neighbors about Maura, the rag and where was she now....did they happen to see her. Yes, just a couple minutes before you arrived they said. It changes the idea that CS thought it may already be a crime scene in my mind if true.

I found this on the Hanson Website as well.
Discuss (1 posts)
fubar Maura's father disputes NH newspaper report
Mar 08 2008 02:44:52
** This thread discusses the Content article: Maura's father disputes NH newspaper report **

It never ceases to amaze me how often people want to blame others for mistakes they made. An inebriated girl crashes her car and her subsequent disappearance is everyone else's fault except hers. Even her father admits she was probably drinking while driving. Let's see if we run this through. If she wasn't drinking she probably wouldn't have crashed her car. If she wasn't drinking and she crashed her car she probably wouldn't have tried to leave the crash site. If she wasn't drinking she probably wouldn't have wandered into the woods or been picked up by an unsavory character(s) that might have lead to her death. Either way the blame for what caused whatever sequence of event that lead to whatever outcome is clearly in Maura's ownership. She certainly didn't deserve whatever happened to her but deserve has very little to do with anything in life. I do feel very bad for the family who are clearly suffering but some of the accusations aside from being ludicrous are clearly over the line and not substantiated by the facts. If and when the police have some evidence to pursue I'm pretty sure they will do so. The ridiculous name calling and finger pointing won't create evidence. Now if someone has evidence of wrong doing by the police or can prove that they have information that they are not following up on, I'm all ears. From what I can tell it is an active investigation. That doesn't mean they have any leads currently but it does mean that they have not forgotten. If something shows up I believe they will pursue it.

Cleary if nothing else Maura should be considered a cautionary tale for other young people of how to not do things and how grossly unfair an outcome can be for even relatively minor errors in judgment. That is a very sad legacy for someone who appeared to have a very bright future.

sophie bean wrote:

It was also my understanding that EMS/Fire was kept away from the car by LE, I thought by Smith.
"Watching" says "keep your story out of this story" - I disagree. It is at least possible that someone here - like JLIH - has a story that is relevant to Maura's story. Who's "trying to control"? Anyone who says "don't post this - do post that" - isn't "trying" to control - they are controlling. Saying "I disagree" is very different. It means that I am not telling you what to post or not, but merely stating my opinion.
I've said before and will say again, there are things that I wouldn't tolerate on the MMM forum, including those who insisted without proof that she was drunk. I wouldn't tolerate it because it was the family's own site, and deserved to be respected as such. This is more of a discussion, and so it can be a little different. Still, if you accuse Maura of something of which there's no proof, your still going to get a major argument from me.

The following day, Feb. 10, 2004, at 9:30a.m., a search warrant
was issued by
Judge McKenna to search
the impounded black 1996 Saturn. Cpl. Charles and Officer
Cashing completed the search of the vehicle.

mcsmom wrote:

I do believe fire checked this vehicle for fluids...but in doing so wouldn't they have likely discovered the bottle with the" strong alcoholic smell", the same one Smith discovered after the car was placed on the flatbed?
Do we know at what time the search warrant was obtained yet?
What would have constituted as probable cause for obtaining this search warrant?

sophie bean wrote:

I've said before and will say again, there are things that I wouldn't tolerate on the MMM forum, including those who insisted without proof that she was drunk. I wouldn't tolerate it because it was the family's own site, and deserved to be respected as such. This is more of a discussion, and so it can be a little different. Still, if you accuse Maura of something of which there's no proof, your still going to get a major argument from me.

Wow, you are my hero. You wouldn't tolerate discussion of it on the other site. Your going to let us discuss other things here. We are very grateful for your permission. I think you are going to do fine on this site. Obviously a crusader for right, a knight in shining armor. I love it, another internet tough guy or girl.

How is this for a retort? Go pound sand up your axx. We don't need your permission and you can argue about anything you want with yourself.

Look at the three pages of Smith's report on the MMM site. It states she was drinking and in the narrative portion that a coke bottle that contained a red liquid with a strong alcoholic odor was recovered. There seems to be ample reason to believe that she was drinking if not drunk. I thought that family members have conceded in the press that she could have been drinking. If she wasn't drinking or worried she might be drunk why wouldn't she call the police herself? Why would she leave the accident, very likely on foot at least to start? Oh, unless you think that the school bus driver smuggled her onto the bus under his shirt. You can continue yelling that she wasn’t drinking but it is getting harder and harder to believe. Someone with no axe to grind, the investigating officer, is apparently willing to testify to these facts in court. You are being intellectually dishonest in your approach to looking at this mystery.

B

I know one of the Detectives personally who is working this case. I can not say more than that, but I know the sighting has been checked out and IT WAS NOT MAURA.

MOE

Can you answer if the detectives are state or the PI,s? How would they know if they were talking to the same man? That man had not returned to the store after June 06 per the clerk! So, I would say he not a local. There is only ONE clerk that remembered this man. Did NOT know who he was!

Hey Wowzer,
I don't know you well enough to say this but in terms of you're leaving this forum: "you better not"!!! You're needed.

Also, this clerk never saw Maura in the store.

Added to above post.