Where is MAURA MURRAY

Agreed Elsewhere! It is so unproductive!

elsewherebriefly wrote:

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Mainly by you Alden and I've noticed you've taken up your bashing on the new forum.
Weeper has kindly stated that nothing further can be done to assist in this investigation with the exception of aiding in organized search and recovery efforts for Maura next spring or summer.
Like you said, the bashing and anger continue unabated and it is mostly by you flooding this forum under countless aliases/handles.
Jerk!

Where did Weeper say "nothing further can be done to assist in this investigation with the exception of aiding in organized search and recovery efforts for Maura next spring or summer?"

Why is he meeting with the public at Dunkin' Donuts in Woodsville?

elsewherebriefly wrote:

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Jerk!

Jerk? And a twisted little freak for pointing out the potential monetary exploitation that either will occur or has already started? The Amherst and Northampton area is full of real writers, legitimate aspiring writers, and wannabe writers. If a local resident and PLO sympathizer will fund David Ray Griffin so that he, a grandfatherly religious professor, would spout nonsense about the 9/11 attack, then what do you think will happen in the Murray case?

Jeff wrote:

<quoted text>Thank you.
Still can't uderstand why there are a few posters from the Haverhill area, where the Saturn was found; many more posters from well outside the area (even outside the country); and almost no posters from the Amherst area, where she was last seen.
And no posters who knew her, even slightly. Not even Helena had ever met Maura.
The amount of non-information - non-everything - is staggering. Which leads one to believe that this thread and the new forum must be viewed by someone as at least potentially helpful. Otherwise, it's a lot of work for what has produced, as far as the general public knows, absolutely nothing.
Thousands of posts on the old MMM site, over 10,000 posts on this site, and now a new site. After five years, the discussion has not really changed much at all. Almost no one posts any useful information that moves anything ahead.
But the bashing and anger continue unabated.

Jeff ~

This has been a head-swiveling experience just to observe, much less in which to participate.

It has been difficult and frustrating to follow posts, and the situation may be much improved by the newly established forum....cleaner, searchable and more organized.

The volatile relationships, allegiances, and disharmony are probably to be expected given the unusual purpose of an unofficial "investigation"/conv ersation/discussion.

I appreciate the contributions and hard work of so many posters who are actively and tirelessly thinking this through...24/7.

If, indeed, you are "Alden" - one person with many names - I still regard your work with great respect.
I suppose it must be difficult to put down a complete theory...connecting all the dots...as that information is above the heads of some, will be rejected by many, and may be viewed as irrational by still others.

I suspect your theories are based in fact, and are not just illusions and fantasies.

There is always a tendency here to shoot the messengers...no one has been immune from the giving or the taking of insults and disbelieving.

Oh, well.

elsewherebriefly wrote:

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Mainly by you Alden and I've noticed you've taken up your bashing on the new forum.
Weeper has kindly stated that nothing further can be done to assist in this investigation with the exception of aiding in organized search and recovery efforts for Maura next spring or summer.
Like you said, the bashing and anger continue unabated and it is mostly by you flooding this forum under countless aliases/handles.
Jerk!

Jerk? For making it (painfully) crystal clear how often threads like this and internet discussion boards in general are routinely flooded by posts from one or a small number of persons using several or many usernames?

elsewherebriefly wrote:

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Mainly by you Alden and I've noticed you've taken up your bashing on the new forum.
Weeper has kindly stated that nothing further can be done to assist in this investigation with the exception of aiding in organized search and recovery efforts for Maura next spring or summer.
Like you said, the bashing and anger continue unabated and it is mostly by you flooding this forum under countless aliases/handles.
Jerk!

Jerk? For effectively, if unconventionally challenging the veracity of the so-called facts in this case, mostly as presented on the old MMM site? Many of which are now known to be either false or problematic.

elsewherebriefly wrote:

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Mainly by you Alden and I've noticed you've taken up your bashing on the new forum.
Weeper has kindly stated that nothing further can be done to assist in this investigation with the exception of aiding in organized search and recovery efforts for Maura next spring or summer.
Like you said, the bashing and anger continue unabated and it is mostly by you flooding this forum under countless aliases/handles.
Jerk!

Jerk? For spending hundreds of hours tracing, in person, Maura's many possible paths away from Amherst?

Jerk? For spending five months getting close to someone I believe played an integral role in a related abduction?

Jerk? For spending hundreds of hours watching the people and traffic patterns at dozens of intersections, restaurants, rest areas, parking lots, gas stations, etc.,etc.?

Jerk? For rattling every cage I could find for answers?

Jerk? For spending 30 days in a homeless shelter so I could get some information from someone?

Jerk? For intentionally making myself a real live target, with the assistance of this thread, so that I might draw out a useful response or two?

Jerk? For researching thousands of pages of public documents?

No doubt you'll try to twist this to make it sound like I'm tooting my own horn. Nothing, repeat nothing, could be further from the truth. If I could remain totally invisible, I would. If I could, in good conscience, have dropped this task anywhere along the line, I probably would have.

I'll be the first to admit I'm not very good at this investigative stuff and I certainly do not intend or want to displace or disrespect responsible, honest investigation.

Have I made mistakes? You bet. Do I have a right to find justice in this case and others? You bet. If all I am is a jerk seeking justice, then I'll take that mantle any day.

Not a jerk, Jeff.

Actually, pretty damn brilliant...thank you for your hard work.

Weeper wrote:

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Dawn,
With all due respect for your concern as with all those who post here on this site, who's hearts and prayers are with the family of Maura Murray for resolution in her disappearence, there is very little to be done from afar. I've been asked this very question from posters who live within driving distance of the Woodsville/Haverhill area and my answer to them is the same. Those who we meet and talk with may be of assistance in our next SAR (Search and Rescue/Search and Recovery Teams) dog-search teams (late Spring early summer)and to not give up hope that this case will be resolved. I know that there are many here on this Topix site who will not accept this and who will continue to work this as a mystery as yet unsolved, it is a mystery as to who is responsible (although there are "persons of interest", as indicated by NHSP statement of 75%)and until there is enough "physical evidence" to link those persons "beyond a reasonable doubt" the case is an ongoing investigation by the NHSP Major Crimes Unit and our group as well. Keep in mind that anything our Team uncovers is immediatley turned over to NHSP, without fail.
Respectfully
Weeper

Alden,

You were obviously caught up in your own incessant posts under aliases such as Sugar, Miss Flo, Jerk, and Jackass to take note of when pertinent information pertaining to MAURA'S INVESTIGATION is posted.

Don't forget you were also served a restraining order for trespassing on campus grounds as U-Mass Amherst.

Snowy White wrote:

Not a jerk, Jeff.
Actually, pretty damn brilliant...thank you for your hard work.

Thanks for your kind words.

You're right about connecting the dots. This thread is an inappropriate venue for that. Maybe I'm a bull in china shop sometimes - and for that, I genuinely apologize - but I do honestly try to do the best I can.

Thanks again.

elsewherebriefly wrote:

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a restraining order for trespassing

"...a restraining order for trespassing?"

Ask any attorney, or even a police officer, about this phrase and let us know the answer.

If you violate a restraining order - you are trespassing. Elsewhere just said it in a different way. I highly doubt you spent 30 days voluntarily at a homeless shelter - hope it was fun - it did not get the family one bit closer to brining Maura home. This is the final time I will respond to Alden/Jeff/Beagle/Aunt Flo etc.... Waste of time and energy and does not help the Murrays. regards, Dawn

Why would a body-building cop at UMass become so unnaturally alarmed about a photo of a car's long expired parking sticker - one car out of thousands that hadn't been parked at UMass for over four years?

Dawn wrote:

If you violate a restraining order - you are trespassing.

False.

Jeff wrote:

<quoted text>Thanks for your kind words.
You're right about connecting the dots. This thread is an inappropriate venue for that. Maybe I'm a bull in china shop sometimes - and for that, I genuinely apologize - but I do honestly try to do the best I can.
Thanks again.

I'll add that I'm not placating you.
The criticism has been very harsh, and often undeserved, IMHO.

In your honesty, you related that you were served with a restraining order...which, in my mind, would speak to the situation at UMASS as it relates to Maura before reflecting directly on you.

You've uncovered extensive detail that certainly may tie together at the Amherst end....and you may even be at risk for doing so.

Obviously, your heart is in this, presumably for the right reasons.
The content of a few posts were questionable...and apparently deleted.

The internet is a bizarre medium, isn't it? The dynamics inside a room full of human beings might be a totally different experience...and more positive.

Dawn wrote:

If you violate a restraining order - you are trespassing. Elsewhere just said it in a different way. I highly doubt you spent 30 days voluntarily at a homeless shelter - hope it was fun - it did not get the family one bit closer to brining Maura home. This is the final time I will respond to Alden/Jeff/Beagle/Aunt Flo etc.... Waste of time and energy and does not help the Murrays. regards, Dawn

Perhaps he did. Perhaps he followed leads back to the UMASS community or to various individuals there.
The line about "Who is Karma?" was at least comic relief in an otherwise morbid endeavor.

Everyone has their own style of relating. I am certain Jeff/et al is equally frustrated in the way he is received....and perhaps the way he has been forced to represent himself in order to be heard and not dismissed.

Restraiing Orders are issued against a person at the request only of that person's immediate family, domestic partners, or former domestic partners. Restrining Orders generally restrict contact between or among two or more specified people.

No Trespassing Orders apply to real property - mainly land and buildings.

Both orders are as often retaliatory as they are legitimately defensive.

Dawn wrote:

If you violate a restraining order - you are trespassing. Elsewhere just said it in a different way. I highly doubt you spent 30 days voluntarily at a homeless shelter - hope it was fun - it did not get the family one bit closer to brining Maura home. This is the final time I will respond to Alden/Jeff/Beagle/Aunt Flo etc.... Waste of time and energy and does not help the Murrays. regards, Dawn

No one would deny that Maura Murray's family and friends are not victims. Their pain is impossible to really appreciate. But they are not the only victims.

The chief victim has and must continue to be the state - meaning the public. By seeking justice in a murder case, if that's what this is, the state is not seeking to right a wrong. It's too late for that. The state must remain impartial about the personal pain of those close to a crime victim. Yes, official victims' advocates play an important role and were wrongly not included in the progression of justice relating to a crime. But the chief concern is deterence, the chief hope is for a fairer and more peaceful world.

Just because one seeks answers in this case (and maybe other cases) does not mean that the victim's family are his chief or only constituent. He may have other very legitimate reasons of his own, ones that do not conflict with honest justice honestly pursued by the state, or hoped for by the victim's family and friends.

Jeff wrote:

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No one would deny that Maura Murray's family and friends are not victims. Their pain is impossible to really appreciate. But they are not the only victims.
The chief victim has and must continue to be the state - meaning the public. By seeking justice in a murder case, if that's what this is, the state is not seeking to right a wrong. It's too late for that. The state must remain impartial about the personal pain of those close to a crime victim. Yes, official victims' advocates play an important role and were wrongly not included in the progression of justice relating to a crime. But the chief concern is deterence, the chief hope is for a fairer and more peaceful world.
Just because one seeks answers in this case (and maybe other cases) does not mean that the victim's family are his chief or only constituent. He may have other very legitimate reasons of his own, ones that do not conflict with honest justice honestly pursued by the state, or hoped for by the victim's family and friends.

Sorry. Meant to say that no one would deny that Maura's family and friends ARE victims. IOW, yes, they are victims and their pain is obviously too deep for almost anyone else to really appreciate. Again, sorry if that wasn't clear.

Snowy IMHO any criticism directed at a certain poster here on this thread pales at the attacks on the King bash thread.