Where is MAURA MURRAY

Mason-
Legally could Fred subpeona the bank for a copy of the atm video?

yankee wrote:

Did the vehicle have a tow hitch on the back of it at the time?

Did it have a push bar in the front, like when it was nose to nose with the saturn?

There has been only one AOL poster besides Weeper.
Does anyone think that it is by coincidence that the only other AOL anonymous poster kept asking if we thought LE was involved?

Thoughts?

Who is the other AOL ? I have only seen Weeper. It is obvious to me he has integrity and even gave us his real name. I think that is just a coincidence.

Dawn wrote:

Who is the other AOL ? I have only seen Weeper. It is obvious to me he has integrity and even gave us his real name. I think that is just a coincidence.

As I stated above they were posting as anonymous. I want to believe the volunteer investigators. It just seems after all these years of reading, it's all a big circle jerk. Contradictions, short answers, cryptic answers. Nothing is concrete.

What is their moniker? what is the post #? I want to look at them? thanks ooOOoo

To add, I understand it is an ongoing investigation, it has been said it is anyway. But why the cat & mouse game? I re-read all of Weepers posts on the new site. It's all very confusing, and even contradicting.

Even tired of Whiston posting info, but no answers where he obtained it from. He doesn't need to name, names, just give us some idea that what you are passing on is legit. Otherwise, why post it, have people ask questions & not answer them? Whiston has a legit problem not getting answers from the family, but when anyone asks him where he gets info from he ignores them.??

Dawn wrote:

What is their moniker? what is the post #? I want to look at them? thanks ooOOoo

it is listed as "AOL poster" I think. No search feature on here. It's a ways back.

Thanks.. I still don't think it is Weeper - lots of people use AOL and he has alot of posters here up most respect. He does not have a reason to hide like that. We have one poster - think you know who - who asks enough questions like that.

ooOOoo - can you register on the other site? Trying to send you a message. Thanks

Dawn wrote:

Thanks.. I still don't think it is Weeper - lots of people use AOL and he has alot of posters here up most respect. He does not have a reason to hide like that. We have one poster - think you know who - who asks enough questions like that.

Lots of people use AOL. We have had only 2 AOL posters. One being Weeper, one being anonymous. The latter happened to ask the LE question. Never heard from again.

Just saying it seems games are being played.

I have been reading for a long time. Only recently have I put forth my two cents. And only because I'm tired of the B.S.

Dawn wrote:

ooOOoo - can you register on the other site? Trying to send you a message. Thanks

Like I said, I'm not one to normally post. I will not be signing up. No offense, just easier to post here.

oo00oo wrote:

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Lots of people use AOL. We have had only 2 AOL posters. One being Weeper, one being anonymous. The latter happened to ask the LE question. Never heard from again.
Just saying it seems games are being played.
I have been reading for a long time. Only recently have I put forth my two cents. And only because I'm tired of the B.S.

To all, if I may

ooOOoo,

I have never posted on any site under any other name but WEEPER (accept Frank Kelly, my real name)and I have no idea who else may use AOL, but as Dawn stated I'm sure there must be a few folks still paying the $12.00 a-month for AOL.

As for the "BS" well, I too don't waste my time with it.

Respectfully,

WEEPER

Weeper wrote:

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To all, if I may
ooOOoo,
I have never posted on any site under any other name but WEEPER (accept Frank Kelly, my real name)and I have no idea who else may use AOL, but as Dawn stated I'm sure there must be a few folks still paying the $12.00 a-month for AOL.
As for the "BS" well, I too don't waste my time with it.
Respectfully,
WEEPER

Weeper, my apologies if I am off base. Would you mind stepping in and confirming facts vs. rumor?
Who viewed the video of "Maura" in Amherst.? Who positively identified the video as it being Maura? Family states they did not see it.
Why did Fred not see the video?
Did police really photograph the Corolla at the shop, after the accident in Hadley?
The spider crack in the windshield, wasn't it caused by the airbag? Thought that was stated, now being said otherwise?
Thank you.

Perhaps it's nothing more than a need for attention, but anyone care to guess how "many" posters here recently are Alden? I mst say, I'm not quite sure how it's done, but it is more than tiresome. If it weren't for the not-so-incidental fact that Maura is still missing, and the same person is still yanking the discussion around after well over a year, it would be ridiculous.

However, Maura IS still missing.
No amount of quasi-credible blather, asking questions that have been asked and discussed with no progress for years, deflecting attention with weird rants, posing as a stalker (who could forget, however hard we try "Benji"?)- is going to change that fact.
I really wish that everyone could ignore the obvious bot posts.

Is anyone keeping a running tab of Alden's personas?

oo00oo wrote:

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Weeper, my apologies if I am off base. Would you mind stepping in and confirming facts vs. rumor?
Who viewed the video of "Maura" in Amherst.? Who positively identified the video as it being Maura? Family states they did not see it.
Why did Fred not see the video?
Did police really photograph the Corolla at the shop, after the accident in Hadley?
The spider crack in the windshield, wasn't it caused by the airbag? Thought that was stated, now being said otherwise?
Thank you.

ooOOoo,
As far as I know, if there is any videotape from the ATM it was not viewed by Fred Murray or the family (sister, brother or extended family)....
I do not know who, if anyone, positivley identified Maura from a videotape in Amherst.
If there was a videotape from Amherst and Fred was not offered an opportunity to view it, I can only assume the police consider it as evidence. I will not speculate as to thier reason for "sealing" any particular piece of evidence or what value it may hold. We (the PI Team) are not privy to the State's investigation (who they've interviewed, what they've photographed, or any "persons of interest" they may have set thier sights on)as it is an on-going investigation.
As to the accident with the Toyota in Hadley, I have no interest it that incident but would assume an adjuster/investigator from the insurance company photographed the vehicle, I see no reason why LE would photograph the vehicle. In fact, I had no dealings with any investigation in Massachusetts, another Team member was tasked to interview some students at UMass. Amherst. That's why (way-back-when)I encourraged Philip (Whiston) to continue with his exploration at that end. My interests never left the Haverhill/Woodsville area, they still haven't for that matter.
As to the crack in the windshield, I can attest to the fact that it was caused by a solid object striking the inside upper left corner. Caused by the airbag?..in a round-about way perhaps. I "believe" it was caused by a wristwatch worn on the left wrist while the airbag deployed (with the driver's left hand in the 10 o'clock position on the steering wheel (ask any EMT responding to head-on crashes and they will tell you broken wrists are very common with airbag deployments). Also, the "spider-crack" was smaller than shown in the photograph I posted on the MMM site. After two winters left out in the eliments, the cracked in the windshield expanded.
Not much help to you, but it's all I can attest to of your questions, sorry...ooOOoo
Respectfully,
WEEPER

Questions have been raised from time to time about the sequence and timing of events. I have adopted the approach that the dispatch records are the most accurate times:

7:27 pm -- Mrs. Westman calls 911 and reports the accident after hearing an auto engine rev and a loud thump.

7:29 pm -- Sgt Smith is dispatched to investigate the accident reported by Mrs. Westman.

7:43 pm -- Mr. Atwood's ex-wife/girlfriend calls 911 and reports the same accident based on what Mr. Atwood told her about his contact with the Saturn and its driver.

7:46 pm -- Sgt Smith arrives at the scene and discovers that the driver is missing.

Mrs. Westman later said that she heard the engine rev and the thump a little after 7 pm, which seems unlikely to me because if her recollection is correct, she waited approximately 25 minutes to call 911 and that seems like too long a period of time. I'm thinking 10 minutes max, or the accident happened at approximately 7:17 pm to 7:25 pm.

Mrs. Westman said she continued to watch until Mr. Atwood arrived and then she stopped watching.

Mr. Atwood said that he stopped and talked to the driver for about two minutes and then drove the school bus up to his place, backed it into his driveway, went into his house, told his wife what happened, and unsuccessfully attempted to contact police using his radio on the front porch from which he could see the road in front of his house. After his wife got through to 911, he waited until Sgt Smith arrived and then he reboarded the school bus to fill out paperwork for the ski trip. He estimated 6 to 8 minutes expired between the time he left the Saturn and the time Sgt Smith arrived. Assuming his estimates are correct, he must have stopped and talked to the driver of the Saturn from approximately 7:36 pm to 7:38 pm. If that's correct, Mrs. Westman kept watching for 9 to 11 minutes after she called 911.

Does anyone disagree with these times?

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>At the time of Maura's disappearance, there was another small store/deli in that area....it's on the opposite side of the street not far from Stage Stop. It's not store anymore....I think it's a small brew shop or something like that. It's taller like a chalet.

can you help me Moose, where exactly is this store, in relationship to the stage stop store, on a map north or south something that I can get my bearings, also, have you seen the U=tube video of the drive from the stage stop store down 112 to the accident and back, do you pass the store then...

thanks for the information..

White Wash you don't have a picture of this do you

Mason wrote:

Questions have been raised from time to time about the sequence and timing of events. I have adopted the approach that the dispatch records are the most accurate times:
7:27 pm -- Mrs. Westman calls 911 and reports the accident after hearing an auto engine rev and a loud thump.
7:29 pm -- Sgt Smith is dispatched to investigate the accident reported by Mrs. Westman.
7:43 pm -- Mr. Atwood's ex-wife/girlfriend calls 911 and reports the same accident based on what Mr. Atwood told her about his contact with the Saturn and its driver.
7:46 pm -- Sgt Smith arrives at the scene and discovers that the driver is missing.
Mrs. Westman later said that she heard the engine rev and the thump a little after 7 pm, which seems unlikely to me because if her recollection is correct, she waited approximately 25 minutes to call 911 and that seems like too long a period of time. I'm thinking 10 minutes max, or the accident happened at approximately 7:17 pm to 7:25 pm.
Mrs. Westman said she continued to watch until Mr. Atwood arrived and then she stopped watching.
Mr. Atwood said that he stopped and talked to the driver for about two minutes and then drove the school bus up to his place, backed it into his driveway, went into his house, told his wife what happened, and unsuccessfully attempted to contact police using his radio on the front porch from which he could see the road in front of his house. After his wife got through to 911, he waited until Sgt Smith arrived and then he reboarded the school bus to fill out paperwork for the ski trip. He estimated 6 to 8 minutes expired between the time he left the Saturn and the time Sgt Smith arrived. Assuming his estimates are correct, he must have stopped and talked to the driver of the Saturn from approximately 7:36 pm to 7:38 pm. If that's correct, Mrs. Westman kept watching for 9 to 11 minutes after she called 911.
Does anyone disagree with these times?

I am totally confused about what you have written regarding the phone call Atwood made to 911
Butch ATwood made the call, at 1943 to Hanover because he allegedly had trouble getting through to Haverhill because the circuits were busy, Haverhill then called to speak to ATwood at 1943, Barabara Atwood took the call, she does not go out to get Atwood who allegedly went to his bus to do paper work after he got through to police....
He stated in the press, paraphrased, by the time he got through to 911 from his porch, he could see that the police had already arrived which was at 1946
There is no mention to my knowledge about the use of a radio
Barbara Atwood stated to the police, that her husband had SEEN the accident and they don't know where the girl had gone, paraphrased from memory
Strange that Barbara did not go to get ATwood to speak to the police, strange that Atwood was not in the house, so
either the time that the police arrived is incorrect
or another officer or emergency vehicle arrived before Smith
Also, Maura was seen 1-2 minutes before police arrived by a neighbour
Therefore, Maura or whomever was in the car were still there at 1943, but Barbara states they do not know where the girl is
Why would ATwood and his wife suspect the girl was anywhere else at this time, the person at the accident scene was seen just before police arrive, so why would she have not said she is at the scene of the accident, where her husband last saw her when he left several minutes before...
hopefully I have explain this correctly, can you please directly me to the source of the information that states, Barbara called, and that Atwood radioed the police...