Where is MAURA MURRAY

The day before Molly Bish disappeared (presumably abducted and murdered), her mother said there was a suspicious person in the Comins Pond parking lot who was driving a sedan.

Later, police, IIRC, theorized that the abductor had parked his vehicle (possibly the same sedan as seen the day before) in a nearby cemetery and had driven off with the victim from that point instead of the beach parking lot.

Luring Bish from the life guard station to the parking lot might be fairly feasible, but getting her to a vehicle in the cemetery seems like it would be taking quite a chance on getting caught by someone driving down to the beach.

Might the abductor have depended on the presence of a vehicle that could temporarily keep traffic from flowing in certain direction?

Just a thought.

Harry wrote:

The day before Molly Bish disappeared (presumably abducted and murdered), her mother said there was a suspicious person in the Comins Pond parking lot who was driving a sedan.
Later, police, IIRC, theorized that the abductor had parked his vehicle (possibly the same sedan as seen the day before) in a nearby cemetery and had driven off with the victim from that point instead of the beach parking lot.
Luring Bish from the life guard station to the parking lot might be fairly feasible, but getting her to a vehicle in the cemetery seems like it would be taking quite a chance on getting caught by someone driving down to the beach.
Might the abductor have depended on the presence of a vehicle that could temporarily keep traffic from flowing in certain direction?
Just a thought.

CORRECTION: The first paragraph in the above quote should have said that according to Molly Bish's mother, there was a suspicious person in the parking lot when she, Molly's mother, dropped Molly off for work the day before Molly disappeared.

If a school bus is driving through a relatively populated area, then the traffic in front of the bus might not be much less than the traffic behind the bus.

But if the bus is driving through a fairly unpopulated area, then there's not much reason for traffic to develop in front of the bus.

Everyone knows what it's like to get behind a school bus when in a hurry.

Maura had directions to Burlington VT, right?
She had a full tank of gas when the car was discovered which suggests a gas station visit in Montpelier (near exit 7 on 89 I believe).
Why would she turn off here and head towards Woodsville?
Unless the gas station visit is where things went wrong. That would mean it might not have been Maura in the vehicle at the crash site. That could explain the conflicting eye witness reports (Man smoking, taller female, everyone gone before Police arrive).
Was surveillance videos ever retrieved from gas stations in the Montpelier area?
Does anyone know where the CW was working that day? Would/could he be around Montpelier that night? Also where was SBD school trip?

Sorry for all the questions...

There is a connection between the mortgagee of a residential rental property near SW and the parent company of the school bus company. Both were involved in a Connecticut corruption investigation, much of which involved the Waterbury area.

The parent company of the school bus company owned a large chunk of an obscure NY real estate company, a company that paid a fee of some kind to John Regan's attorney after Regan inexplicably pleaded guilty to the attempted abduction of a Saratoga Springs High School student. Regan is from Waterbury.

The parent company of the school bus company has substantial business interests in the Waterbury area.

The only way Regan could have expected to successfully abduct a student from a populated high school parking lot is if he could depend on not being followed by other vehicles, even momentarily.

There are two connections between a business with large buildings located near Saratoga Springs High School and a former Amherst area based nutritional supplement, body building business.

One of the Waterbury area businesses owned by the parent company of the school bus company manufactures the kind of product reguarly used next to Comins Pond, the SW dorms, Saratoga Springs High School, and very close to the movie theatre on Putney Road in Brattleboro.

Two investigators on both the Bish and Murray cases appear to have worked for one of the Waterbury area business interests related to the parent company of the school bus company.

And on the other hand, there's this story from MSNBC about suicides in national parks.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28469315/

Equal time is not a bad thing. Opposing viewpoints help maintain balance and honesty.

Unless she was traveling to Attitash. Then her route looks valid. She had directions there as well. If this is the case then it might be likely that she was at the site of the crash and bad things happened there...

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>I have no clue as to who viewed the video from the atm.family has not seen this video to determine whether or not Maura was on this video.

Citigirl,

I recommend that someone in your family contact Lt. Scarinza and ask to see the ATM video. It seems very odd to me that they didn't do that long ago.

M

peripeteia Nova Scotia wrote:

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Possibly that could be the senario, however the light pole distinction of the swiftwater store and the bath store where there are none leads me to think of the Swiftwater store...
visions, they are a dice throw, usually something about them is revelant, but no things can be distorted, for example, when painting a picture of the area I saw, I painted a log cabin with a railing around the front, like an open porch but what my mind saw was a chalet or stockade type house...visions are unliable, but usually hold more truth than not...

Peri,

There are documented examples of remote viewing outside time during the Stanford Research Institute experiments. In one experiment the remote viewer drew an accurate picture of a scene being viewed by the sender in which the picture included an outbuilding that was not at the scene viewed by the sender -- everything else was accurate. The scientists later discovered that the scene conformed to picture, including the outbuilding, some fifty years earlier.

Therefore, you might want to check and see if a building that you've seen in one of your visions might have conformed to your vision at some earlier point in time. Of course, it's also worth checking to see when the photo you saw on-line of the Stage Stop was taken and whether it accurately represents the way it looked in early February, 2004.

Harry wrote:

Suppose Maura Murray was spending considerable time at an off-campus residential property.
If the mortgagee of the property and SBD's employer (with office next to Kennedy) have in common an important kind of "business" associate, wouldn't that be potentially relevant?
If a leading PI in the Maura Murray and Molly Bish cases were employed by this "business" associate, wouldn't that also be potentially relevant?

Almost anything in this staged case is potentially relevant. The question in its present form cannot be answered due to lack of information. Who is the business associate and what is the nature of his business? Are you suggesting that "a leading PI in Maura's case," has a conflict of interest and is deliberately throwing everyone off track in Maura's case to protect the business associate and/or the SBD?

Why don't you say what you're thinking instead of posing riddles. Then we can debate the merits of your idea. I don't know about others, but I always feel someone is playing a power game with me when he or she hides behind riddles seemingly withholding information and asking me to guess what that information might be.

Power games interrupt the flow of information and discussion. They divert attention away from the group's discussion of information and onto the riddler's motives. Either you have something worthwhile to contribute or you don't. Please don't waste my time by trying to make me guess whether you do.

Put another way, you're really starting to piss me off, so knock it off or STFU.

A lot of people that live (lived) in NH move to Florida (or wish they could) for no other reason than to get away from the cold, snow, and ice.

looking4amoose wrote:

Who stated she was alone? A lot of information has been stated as fact on this topic, yet proven later to not be true.

4 years of numerous articles. It has never been said otherwise. Does that make it fact? No, I suppose it does not. Do you know differently?

If a complete stranger to Maura, identified her as Maura, is that fact?

oo00oo wrote:

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4 years of numerous articles. It has never been said otherwise. Does that make it fact? No, I suppose it does not. Do you know differently?
If a complete stranger to Maura, identified her as Maura, is that fact?

No not at all, not without identifying features.

Pool wrote:

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In post 11332, Detective Columbo strongly implies, but does not exactly state, that Maura Murray was at the Rt. 112 crash site and was abducted (grabbed) from that site.
In post 11336, Detective Columbo states that he is not convinced that Maura Murray was even at the Rt. 112 crash site.
In a narrow sense, these two statements do not conflict with one another, but the two statements, in a common, everyday way, would be regarded by the average person as hard to reconcile.

I'm sorry but I'm having difficulty understanding Det. Col. statements. Can someone spell it out for me please? I think these two weeks away from work have taken a toll on my grey matter.

peripeteia Nova Scotia wrote:

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however, given SBD blew dodge, says that either he couldn't stand the heat (pressure)
or he went in hiding.

A lot of people that live (lived) in NH move to Florida (or wish they could) for no other reason than to get away from the cold, snow, and ice.

Jsut posted the following at the new Maura site under Sgt. Smith's cruiser.

"I wonder how high the tow hitch is off the ground on Haverhill's cruiser #001. I know where the vehicle is now since it has been sold, so I will go check this.

Is it possible that what did the damage to Maura's car was the tow hitch on 001.?

The 7:05 pm acc. on Goose Lane and an officer calling in saying the driver "SHE" had left in private vehicle. Could this have been Maura in the 1st. accident? Because she was drinking maybe she sped away to avoid DUI and spun out on the corner by the weathered barn. I did say spun out and will still state that she NEVER HIT ANY TREES at the weathered barn Acc. scene. This is evident from the damage to the car as well as the trees not having any damage to them. The bark was not even the slightest bit scarred on the pine trees."
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"Oh....Just one more thing"

Moose..

I am saying that either scenario is possible, that's all.One can not be entirely certain if not there when it happened. Speculation....

Did the vehicle have a tow hitch on the back of it at the time?

I truly hope you are on to something. A huge apology will be owed to Fred Murray. All of the mean things that have been said. IMHO - that has not sat right with me. A father would not continue to the heart wretching searches for his daughters remains............ You look at his face and you can see he is truly suffering. I am one of the newer ones here - I know you have all wanted answers longer than I. However - 5 years of missing your daughter, sister, grandaughter, niece, friend.............. too long. May the Murrays get the answers they SO deserve.

Also.......... regarding her friends being quiet. We don't know if they were asked to be quiet if that indeed was NOT her in the video. Not show the family ? Mason pointed that one out to me. I do think her friend Jenni spoke volumes through her song though. I am so surprised that has not been recorded. Anyone who has lost someone can relate to that song.......... just shocking to me more is not said about it.