Where is MAURA MURRAY

Con't from above:

Also, I was not aware that Barbara and Butch Atwood were separated?
We do not have Hanover's log to know what was said....but I believe the call is recorded as having come from Butch Atwood by the Hanover police.
I would like to know where Atwood was when the police called back, this is very relevant, because he states the police had already arrived and he therefore should have been in his house or like previously stated, some emergency vehicle arrived previous to Smith...
There was a report by the neighbour, presumably Marrott, that ATwood went directly to his bus and stayed there a long time... and he did not go into the house as he stated to the press???
too tired to try and sort this out, however, never heard you version of the calls, but this would not be the first time I'm confused regarding this matter

Just a Thought wrote:

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Intelligent, successful, engaged college women about to graduate and move away from home don't

1. Decide to drive cars they thought to dangerous to drive the day before...
2. for over a hundred miles...
3. on icy roads...
4. while tired from lack of sleep...
5. to a place where she wasn't supposed to be as a student...
6. and a place no one expected her to be...
8. after taking time off from school, risking her academic record as an honor student...
9. without any compelling reason to do so...

Just a Thought wrote:

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despite what those with limited mental capacities think.

Okay, so you've got a student on some strange road in the middle of nowhere on some trip with an unknown purpose ... but the question is still: what happened to her there.
Whatever foolish or puzzling or whimsical decisions she made in embarking on the trip or selecting the vehicle,... what happened to her after the crash???

This was handled by MA LE not even sure
NHSP have seen it much less have it.
I do not believe HPD has seen it just informed of it by MA LE.

Mason wrote:

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Citigirl,
I recommend that someone in your family contact Lt. Scarinza and ask to see the ATM video. It seems very odd to me that they didn't do that long ago.
M

Calling in to where?
There has never been a record found
of this call.

Detective Columbo wrote:

Jsut posted the following at the new Maura site under Sgt. Smith's cruiser.
"I wonder how high the tow hitch is off the ground on Haverhill's cruiser #001. I know where the vehicle is now since it has been sold, so I will go check this.
Is it possible that what did the damage to Maura's car was the tow hitch on 001.?
The 7:05 pm acc. on Goose Lane and an officer calling in saying the driver "SHE" had left in private vehicle. Could this have been Maura in the 1st. accident? Because she was drinking maybe she sped away to avoid DUI and spun out on the corner by the weathered barn. I did say spun out and will still state that she NEVER HIT ANY TREES at the weathered barn Acc. scene. This is evident from the damage to the car as well as the trees not having any damage to them. The bark was not even the slightest bit scarred on the pine trees."
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"Oh....Just one more thing"

FoolsGold
If she was involved in the crash at all... she was either
1.) abducted by someone at the crash site
2.) ran away from the crash site and was abducted later
3.) hid from LE and others nearby and hitched a ride later
4.) had "help" from someone (a local, maybe CW) in hiding from LE, and then this local kills her or
5.) gives her a ride the next day to parts unknown
6.) runs into the woods and walks into a nearby town where she makes the sobbing phone call of Billy
7.) dies in the woods accidently or
8.) suicide, or
9.) runs to interstate 93 and hitches a ride to parts unknown.

Am I missing anything? Maybe if we list them out, we can try to eliminate some of the unlikely scenarios. I'd like to do the same for scenarios that don't place Maura at the Weathered Barn, since we can't even be sure she was there. Those scenarios include those where she made it to NH 112, but not to the weathered barn, and those that she abducted en-route on Interstate 91 or even 93, or that she never traveled out of Mass., having disappeared from Amherst or somewhere near Amherst.

Actually those who actually knew the Atwoods will tell you they had been
planning it for a long time and the house just sold so they left but
who could blame them?

I'm sure it would bother you to have PI's camped in your yard watching every move.

Odd some would view this STALKING thank god there are laws now.

So Det. speaking of Atwoods did you happen to take some photos while you where standing there? Of course anyone
conducting serious research would have
dates and times and photographs.
So who owned the house during your little viewing? Since there a few items missing from the front of
house once the new owners moved
I do this would change some of the view
giving one was a temp. garage housing the Atwood SUV.

Didn't happen to mention that the Atwoods where very friendly to local LE
during their searches of the area properties w/dogs. Odd how you don't mention these points when bashing the
good ole boy interesting.

yankee wrote:

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A lot of people that live (lived) in NH move to Florida (or wish they could) for no other reason than to get away from the cold, snow, and ice.

Mastermind wrote:

FoolsGold
If she was involved in the crash at all... she was either
1.) abducted by someone at the crash site
2.) ran away from the crash site and was abducted later
3.) hid from LE and others nearby and hitched a ride later
4.) had "help" from someone (a local, maybe CW) in hiding from LE, and then this local kills her or
5.) gives her a ride the next day to parts unknown
6.) runs into the woods and walks into a nearby town where she makes the sobbing phone call of Billy
7.) dies in the woods accidently or
8.) suicide, or
9.) runs to interstate 93 and hitches a ride to parts unknown.
Am I missing anything? Maybe if we list them out, we can try to eliminate some of the unlikely scenarios. I'd like to do the same for scenarios that don't place Maura at the Weathered Barn, since we can't even be sure she was there. Those scenarios include those where she made it to NH 112, but not to the weathered barn, and those that she abducted en-route on Interstate 91 or even 93, or that she never traveled out of Mass., having disappeared from Amherst or somewhere near Amherst.

LE before Smith arrived and picked her up.(This would explain why she trusted to leave with someone she didnt know)

Detective Columbo wrote:

Jsut posted the following at the new Maura site under Sgt. Smith's cruiser.
"I wonder how high the tow hitch is off the ground on Haverhill's cruiser #001. I know where the vehicle is now since it has been sold, so I will go check this.
Is it possible that what did the damage to Maura's car was the tow hitch on 001.?
The 7:05 pm acc. on Goose Lane and an officer calling in saying the driver "SHE" had left in private vehicle. Could this have been Maura in the 1st. accident? Because she was drinking maybe she sped away to avoid DUI and spun out on the corner by the weathered barn. I did say spun out and will still state that she NEVER HIT ANY TREES at the weathered barn Acc. scene. This is evident from the damage to the car as well as the trees not having any damage to them. The bark was not even the slightest bit scarred on the pine trees."
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"Oh....Just one more thing"

Hello all,

I was interested to see it clearly stated that there actually was an accident occurring on Goose Lane at 7.05 p.m. 9th February, 2004, involving a female car driver.
I have never previously seen the exact location and timing of this accident mentioned ever before, either here on this forum or on the ex-MMM board.
Is this information to be found in the local dispatch records?

Also, if it was actually Maura who was involved in the accident on Goose Lane....
What was she doing there?
As far as I can judge from the Google maps of the area, Goose Lane connects Rte 10 in the west with Rte 112 at Swiftwater in the east.
At the western end of Goose Lane Cottage Hospital is located.
Could Maura conceivably have been seeing someone at Cottage Hospital, before continuing east on Goose Lane towards Rte 112 at Swiftwater with the possible intention of driving towards Lincoln/North Woodstock?
Ideas, thoughts?

Clearly stated but in 5 years no one has been able to find anyone who saw it much documentation of it happening.

It the FIT witness was on Goose Lane as
state wouldn't they have seen the disable car? Anne states the driver left in a private car so where is the
broken down car?

Do you have clue how long it takes a tow truck to get out there much get
it loaded.

Where is this car it clearly would have been there for all to see on the way
to the actual accident that has documentation.

Eurobserver wrote:

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Hello all,
I was interested to see it clearly stated that there actually was an accident occurring on Goose Lane at 7.05 p.m. 9th February, 2004, involving a female car driver.
I have never previously seen the exact location and timing of this accident mentioned ever before, either here on this forum or on the ex-MMM board.
Is this information to be found in the local dispatch records?
Also, if it was actually Maura who was involved in the accident on Goose Lane....
What was she doing there?
As far as I can judge from the Google maps of the area, Goose Lane connects Rte 10 in the west with Rte 112 at Swiftwater in the east.
At the western end of Goose Lane Cottage Hospital is located.
Could Maura conceivably have been seeing someone at Cottage Hospital, before continuing east on Goose Lane towards Rte 112 at Swiftwater with the possible intention of driving towards Lincoln/North Woodstock?
Ideas, thoughts?

WHITE WASH wrote:

Actually those who actually knew the Atwoods will tell you they had been
planning it for a long time and the house just sold so they left but
who could blame them?
I'm sure it would bother you to have PI's camped in your yard watching every move.
Odd some would view this STALKING thank god there are laws now.
So Det. speaking of Atwoods did you happen to take some photos while you where standing there? Of course anyone
conducting serious research would have
dates and times and photographs.
So who owned the house during your little viewing? Since there a few items missing from the front of
house once the new owners moved
I do this would change some of the view
giving one was a temp. garage housing the Atwood SUV.
Didn't happen to mention that the Atwoods where very friendly to local LE
during their searches of the area properties w/dogs. Odd how you don't mention these points when bashing the
good ole boy interesting.
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White Wash:
you avoid standing up and accounting for your statement that you think that Atwood was pressured to change his statement regarding the sobriety of the operator of the Saturn at the scene of the accident, is this your view or do you have something substaintial to back up your statement? Sounds to me you said something you shouldn't have? AS you keep avoiding answering the question regarding your own statement.

Your comment that NHSP might not have viewed the ATM video??? This sounds unbelieveable, especially since this could be downloaded to a computer and uploaded to the NHPD?

This video should be available to Fred to Laura to identify their daughter, or one of Maura's siblings. Law enforcement is placing themselves in a very precarious legal position by witholding this evidence.

We have Atwood not been shown a police line up of pictures to identify the witness, I believe it was one of the family that showed Maura's picture to Atwood (I consider Sharon to be family).

Unless Atwood was given a polygraph, as he is the only person that places Maura at the weatherbarn, I do not believe him. He is not only deceptive of his statement regarding Maura's sobriety but he has not been forth coming about what he did after the accident.

There maybe a vailid reason
1. complusive liar
2. something to hide personally
3. covering for someone else
4. too afraid to step up to the plate
5. pressured to state things by the police

not only do the neighbours contradict what Atwood did after he left the scene of the accident, the police logs re:911 do not jive with what Atwood said he did....
please explain the discrepency
where was Atwood when Haverhill 911 called back
to verify his call to Hanover 911 at 1943

why did Barbara state that they did not know where the girl was gone.....and that Atwood has SEEN the accident. Atwood's own account states he saw the accident, "her face was only visible from the lips up, states he saw the airbag deployed, as it deflates as it is inflating, and also, if Maura's face was slumped face down in the airbag after she sat there 5 minutes before he came alone, implies the person was injured

Atwood clearly states that when he came outside after making the call to police, they had already arrived....1946. His phone call was at 1943, that is 3 minutes not accounted for...

either another emergency vehicle had arrived by then or Atwood is trying to create an alibi or hide something he saw

con't

con't from above

Marrott states that he saw Maura/occupant of the car 1-2 minutes before police arrived....
So where was Atwood...
...if he was on his bus, why then did Barbara not go and get him to come to the phone, or why did Atwood not call back 911...
Marrott gives a totally different view of what Atwood did, he states that Atwood stayed on his bus a long time....
So does Atwood have a CB radio or transmitting device of somekind to contact the police from his bus...is that what he was trying to do...
why then did he state he came home and immediately went into the house and told his
wife the story...
I am not saying that Atwood is a bad person, I am not stating anything other than his statements are suspect?
I suspect him of lying, by his own account of things....his tongue has been his undoing...
the same goes for the construction worker, his tongue was his undoing.....

Do you know if Atwood was given a polygraph? Although not admissable in court, the cost of Maura's investigation alone, says that law enforcement should have verified Atwood's statements and shown him a police photo line-up.
If he was not given a polygraph, why not?

I would appreciate your comments...

Where was the CW working that night?

WHITE WASH wrote:

Clearly stated but in 5 years no one has been able to find anyone who saw it much documentation of it happening.
It the FIT witness was on Goose Lane as
state wouldn't they have seen the disable car? Anne states the driver left in a private car so where is the
broken down car?
Do you have clue how long it takes a tow truck to get out there much get
it loaded.
Where is this car it clearly would have been there for all to see on the way
to the actual accident that has documentation.
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That's an excellant question WW. Where did the car go from the earlier accident since the driver supposedly left in a private vehicle?
In the whole Grafton CTY why is it that only one person/family heard this earlier accident. And why no accident report or dispatch log of it?
I believe if there was an earlier accident it was not in this area but possibly in another town if at all.

It's starting to sound like a patrolman either saw or was part of the first accident, and things happened just as Anne said she heard on the radio. That would explain why CS asked the W's, "Where is the girl with the towel in the tailpipe" since he had seen the girl earlier. It also could explain some circular patrolling going on in that area between around 7PM and 7:30PM --- looking for the vehicle and the girl. Would explain a patrolman asking about where some of the liquor had gone {that he had seen earlier?]. Could explain some of the accident report answers, like how many people in the car, how many injured, etc., because in addition to the witness, SBD, a patrolman had seen who was in the car and the condition of the person, etc. etc.

As for SBD's girlfriend/wife saying, "my husband saw the accident", it doesn't have to be taken literally ---- it can also mean "he saw the accident scene". We all talk that way --- very imprecisely!!!

Detective Columbo wrote:

Jsut posted the following at the new Maura site under Sgt. Smith's cruiser.
"I wonder how high the tow hitch is off the ground on Haverhill's cruiser #001. I know where the vehicle is now since it has been sold, so I will go check this.
Is it possible that what did the damage to Maura's car was the tow hitch on 001.?
The 7:05 pm acc. on Goose Lane and an officer calling in saying the driver "SHE" had left in private vehicle. Could this have been Maura in the 1st. accident? Because she was drinking maybe she sped away to avoid DUI and spun out on the corner by the weathered barn. I did say spun out and will still state that she NEVER HIT ANY TREES at the weathered barn Acc. scene. This is evident from the damage to the car as well as the trees not having any damage to them. The bark was not even the slightest bit scarred on the pine trees."
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"Oh....Just one more thing"

Funny how you and Weeper have such a difference of ideas and opinions.
You are throwing out the possibility here that car 001 CS's car may have caused the damage to Maura's car which surely indicates that he may have had something to do with her disappearance.
Weeper has stated that he believes CS is not connected to her disappearance and that any flaws in the accident repert was NOT done with any malicious intent.
Which is it???

truth wrote:

Where was the CW working that night?

Franconia

Quija wrote:

It's starting to sound like a patrolman either saw or was part of the first accident, and things happened just as Anne said she heard on the radio. That would explain why CS asked the W's, "Where is the girl with the towel in the tailpipe" since he had seen the girl earlier. It also could explain some circular patrolling going on in that area between around 7PM and 7:30PM --- looking for the vehicle and the girl. Would explain a patrolman asking about where some of the liquor had gone {that he had seen earlier?]. Could explain some of the accident report answers, like how many people in the car, how many injured, etc., because in addition to the witness, SBD, a patrolman had seen who was in the car and the condition of the person, etc. etc.
As for SBD's girlfriend/wife saying, "my husband saw the accident", it doesn't have to be taken literally ---- it can also mean "he saw the accident scene". We all talk that way --- very imprecisely!!!

This scenario is making the most sense out of any other I have ever read. I think you are in the right direction.

Detective Columbo wrote:
Just to clear something up.....
Within a month of Maura's disappearance, people in the area were getting very sick of Mr. Murray and his family as well as investigators asking questions. Most people didn't even want to talk to us. A few locals are quoted as saying, "nothing happened to her, she was drunk, suicidal, troubled and more" I live only a short distance from the acc. scene and I have questioned almost all of the people who live in the 2 to 3 mile radius. I don't believe I ever heard one person say "Sorry I can't HELP" most just brushed us off and said "Good Luck" or "Get off my property" .......Yeah, there are alot of nice caring people up here. I even had guns pointed at me when driving into peoples driveways. "WELCOME TO NH, NOW GO HOME" Like the bumper sticker says.
Just a point I want to make....

I think you are unfairly painting an untrue picture of NH and this area. My question is WHY?
I have talked to several people in the last couple of weeks and when I mentioned your story about having guns pointed at you when driving in driveways they about fell out of their chair laughing.
Since you made such a damaging statement about this area I'd like to see you back it up with names of the gun toters or at least the houses where your life was threatened with guns.
Did you report this to the police and if no then why not?
I'm really trying hard to see you in a professional light but statements like this make it very hard.

Quija wrote:

It's starting to sound like a patrolman either saw or was part of the first accident, and things happened just as Anne said she heard on the radio. That would explain why CS asked the W's, "Where is the girl with the towel in the tailpipe" since he had seen the girl earlier. It also could explain some circular patrolling going on in that area between around 7PM and 7:30PM --- looking for the vehicle and the girl. Would explain a patrolman asking about where some of the liquor had gone {that he had seen earlier?]. Could explain some of the accident report answers, like how many people in the car, how many injured, etc., because in addition to the witness, SBD, a patrolman had seen who was in the car and the condition of the person, etc. etc.
As for SBD's girlfriend/wife saying, "my husband saw the accident", it doesn't have to be taken literally ---- it can also mean "he saw the accident scene". We all talk that way --- very imprecisely!!!

Speculation: An officer is present at the first accident, 4 or so miles before the Barn. Maybe he is involved with the accident, maybe not. Maybe he reports the accident, and figuring that her car is stuck, he for some reason decides to go on down the road for a minute. Maura, in the meantime, is able to get her car out and continue towards the WB. This would explain why he at first turned left on 112 (if he was returning to the accident) and then finding that Maura was gone, then turned around and went the other direction (towards the WB), where he found the car.