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Big Rad wrote:
Is it possible that Maura Murray left Amherst on Sunday, February 8, 2004 instead of the next day, Monday?
Did any well fields or other sources of public drinking water receive a delivery of any water purification chemicals on or around Monday, February 9, 2004?
Is there a source of public drinking water near the Lisbon Railroad Museum?
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For crying out loud Alden,

I actually thought you were a legitimate newcomer and wasted my time reading your posts.
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What distinguishes a bitter response from an "ostensibly bitter response," or an illogical thought process from a "blatantly illogical thought process?"
Arbitration?
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#11883
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Great show. Draws all kinds of people.

http://www.railroadhobbyshow.com/
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Read em and weep.
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Oh yeah, guess where the railroad hobby store is that also carries swimming pool supplies (almost the same chemical used to purify public drinking water).

And doggone if the company that manufactures and delivers this water treatment chemical isn't owned by the same company that owns the school bus company (with the office by Kennedy).

And doggone if this chemical company isn't based near John Regan's home.

And doggone if this company didn't pay Regan's attorney a "fee" after Regan needlessly pleaded guilty.
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And doggone if this chemical company (in effect, part of the school bus company) doesn't deliver to the Woodsville area.
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peripeteia Nova Scotia wrote:
Mason see few posts above re: Weeper's statements re: phone call from the SBD topix #5386
My profound and sincere apologizes for my mistake, you are correct the wife/girlfriend of the SBD made the phone call to the police.
A witness states that the SBD stayed on his bus a long time before he went into the house, if this is true, he went in told his wife, and went back out. Suspect if he was trying earlier, as his information to the press is suspect, because he has given so many version of what he did after he came from the accident scene. Also it appears from her statements he already knew the occupant of the car was gone, at least he told his wife he did not know where the girl is? So perhaps he saw something. It is odd that he said to his wife that he did not know where she was. He is the only one who could have said this, unless of course his wife walked down unseen to the accident site.
Something is wrotten in Denmark as the expression goes?
Again my apologizes Mason, there is enough misinformation in Maura's disappearance without a seasoned reader of the information heaping error to the pile. sorry.
Absolutely no need to apologize, Peri.

As you pointed out, "it appears from her statements he already knew the occupant of the car was gone, at least he told his wife he did not know where the girl is."

If the SBD knew the female driver left the scene of the accident and did not return, how could he not know that she was picked up by a privately owned vehicle? Are we to suppose that he watched her walk up the 112 toward his house but didn't see her get into a vehicle basically right in front of his face, given where he parked the bus?

We know he told his wife that he did not know where the girl was. Isn't it reasonable to infer that he did not know where she was because she left the scene in a privately owned vehicle?

Hence, the extreme importance of obtaining a copy of the Hanover dispatch log and, if possible, a copy of both 911 calls.

I have no doubt that Anne heard someone say over the radio that the female driver of the vehicle in the ditch left the scene in a privately owned vehicle. She recalls that the "vehicle in the ditch" was a reference to a somewhat earlier call reporting that vehicle in the ditch in or near, or in the direction of Swiftwater or on Swiftwater Road. But, neither Sgt Smith nor the hospital employee saw an abandoned vehicle in the ditch next to the road as they drove down Swiftwater Road and Goose Lane toward Rte 112. This vehicle in the ditch from which the female driver left in a privately owned vehicle can't be a phantom vehicle. It had to be somewhere, but there is only one reference to a vehicle in a ditch next to the road in the Swiftwater area and that's the Saturn.

Here's my theory: The SBD or his wife called 911 the first time and was routed through to Hanover. The SBD or his wife reported the accident and added that the female driver left the scene in a privately owned vehicle. Hanover dispatch immediately contacted Ronda Marsh at Haverfield 911 and asked her to call the SBD residence to confirm the call. Marsh called and the SBD's wife answered the phone. Marsh asked her if she knew where the female driver went (i.e., in the privately owned vehicle) and the SBD's wife responded that they had no idea.

Sure, I could be wrong, but what if I'm right? Given the SBD's conflicting statements and this new revelation that he told his wife he had no idea where the female driver was, don't we have a damn good reason to suspect he saw Maura, or someone who looked like her get into a car and leave the scene? The scent trail indicates that's what happened.

The only way to know is to get the Hanover log and the 911 recorded calls.

I believe this could be the big break we've all been waiting for, including the NHSP. I could be wrong, but I suspect they may not have looked at the Hanover log.
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For all practical purposes, there's one company that:

1. Owned the school bus company

2. Has or had an office almost across the street from Kennedy

3. Makes and delivers the kinds of chemicals used in the same kind of municipal facilities very near to where Molly Bish, Tina Sinclair, Bethany Sinclair, Maura Murray, and a Saratoga Springs High School student were attacked and/or last KNOWN to have been seen.

4. Paid a "fee" to the lawyer of Regan, the self-confessed attacker of the Saratoga student

5. Has its chemical company headquarters located virtually in Regan's hometown.
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Mason wrote:
<quoted text> I could be wrong, but I suspect they may not have looked at the Hanover log.
Which would have had what practical effect on LE's investigation over the past almost five years?

How does this theory help identify a possible abductor?

How does it even imply a crime was committed at the Rt. 112 crash scene?

Thank you.
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Absolutely no need to apologize, Peri.
As you pointed out, "it appears from her statements he already knew the occupant of the car was gone, at least he told his wife he did not know where the girl is."
If the SBD knew the female driver left the scene of the accident and did not return, how could he not know that she was picked up by a privately owned vehicle? Are we to suppose that he watched her walk up the 112 toward his house but didn't see her get into a vehicle basically right in front of his face, given where he parked the bus?
We know he told his wife that he did not know where the girl was. Isn't it reasonable to infer that he did not know where she was because she left the scene in a privately owned vehicle?
Hence, the extreme importance of obtaining a copy of the Hanover dispatch log and, if possible, a copy of both 911 calls.
I have no doubt that Anne heard someone say over the radio that the female driver of the vehicle in the ditch left the scene in a privately owned vehicle. She recalls that the "vehicle in the ditch" was a reference to a somewhat earlier call reporting that vehicle in the ditch in or near, or in the direction of Swiftwater or on Swiftwater Road. But, neither Sgt Smith nor the hospital employee saw an abandoned vehicle in the ditch next to the road as they drove down Swiftwater Road and Goose Lane toward Rte 112. This vehicle in the ditch from which the female driver left in a privately owned vehicle can't be a phantom vehicle. It had to be somewhere, but there is only one reference to a vehicle in a ditch next to the road in the Swiftwater area and that's the Saturn.
Here's my theory: The SBD or his wife called 911 the first time and was routed through to Hanover. The SBD or his wife reported the accident and added that the female driver left the scene in a privately owned vehicle. Hanover dispatch immediately contacted Ronda Marsh at Haverfield 911 and asked her to call the SBD residence to confirm the call. Marsh called and the SBD's wife answered the phone. Marsh asked her if she knew where the female driver went (i.e., in the privately owned vehicle) and the SBD's wife responded that they had no idea.
Sure, I could be wrong, but what if I'm right? Given the SBD's conflicting statements and this new revelation that he told his wife he had no idea where the female driver was, don't we have a damn good reason to suspect he saw Maura, or someone who looked like her get into a car and leave the scene? The scent trail indicates that's what happened.
The only way to know is to get the Hanover log and the 911 recorded calls.
I believe this could be the big break we've all been waiting for, including the NHSP. I could be wrong, but I suspect they may not have looked at the Hanover log.
Mason, that is how see things happening.

Is the problem that Hanover will not release the log? If so, why not?

Are the 911 tapes Hanover's to release as well?
If so why not. If the come from somewhere else why wont they release them?

Cover up? Covering up mistakes? Or could this case be part of other cases and LE needs to walk on glass to make sure convictions stick?
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OK - Anne, Elsewhere et al that live in NH, What is the chemical plant that is close by? see if there is a tiny bit of truth in this ?
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Big Rad wrote:
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Which would have had what practical effect on LE's investigation over the past almost five years?
How does this theory help identify a possible abductor?
How does it even imply a crime was committed at the Rt. 112 crash scene?
Thank you.
It could help if it was determined that SBD did see a female leave in a POV: What kind of POV, what color, etc.

Who said anything about an abductor? Mason, didnt mention it but you did.

An 'abduction' might have happened at any time after leaving the scene in a POV by someone other than the POV owner.
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Big Rad wrote:
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Which would have had what practical effect on LE's investigation over the past almost five years?
How does this theory help identify a possible abductor?
How does it even imply a crime was committed at the Rt. 112 crash scene?
Thank you.
Because, as I have explained several times over the past 3 days, the SBD's 911 call at 1943 hrs was routed through to Hanover due to an overload of 911 calls to Haverfield and the evidence we have supports an inference that he told Hanover 911 that the female driver of the Saturn left the scene in a privately owned vehicle.

In all of his public statements, he claimed that he left the female driver at the scene of the accident after briefly talking to her and never saw her again.
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Dawn wrote:
OK - Anne, Elsewhere et al that live in NH, What is the chemical plant that is close by? see if there is a tiny bit of truth in this ?
The point is not that there is a chemical PLANT (as in manufacuring plant) nearby. That was never said. The chemical manufacturing PLANT happens to be located in Memphis, TN.

The manufactured product is then SHIPPED (by truck and/or railroad) to thousands of places. It is used to purify public drinking water (and swimming pool water).

The chemical is usually delivered to the TREATMENT plant or well field from which municipally consumed drinking water comes.


The drinking water treatment plant at UMass is located on Mullins Way, near SW, and more or less between lot 12 and SW (but not really on the path you would walk from SW to lot 12).

The well field in Warren MA is located exactly next to Comins Pond, where Molly Bish was last seen.

The well field in Brattleboro, VT is located behind the movie theatre on Putney Road where the Sinclairs were last seen.

The well field in Saratoga Springs is located near the high school where a star track student was attacked.

Tina Sinclair, incidentally, worked in Amherst, MA.

A tanker truck used by the chemical company was seen on Sunday night, possibly awaiting a delivery on Monday.

There is, in fact, a source of public drinking water located by Rt. 302 not far from the intersection of Rt. 112. Whether or not this particular source of drinking water is related to Maura's abduction is difficult to know.

That's five women attacked and/or last KNOWN to have been seen near the delivery location of this chemical.

The only one of the five women to have escaped her attacker was attacked by a man, John Regan, who grew up and lived in the same area (Waterbury CT) where the chemical company has its headquarters.

The chemical company and the school bus company are, in effect, owned by the same people. The high speed internet service connection attached to the tanker is also owned by the same group of companies.
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I should have added that the driver of the POV is the most likely candidate to have abducted and murdered Maura and if the SBD covered-up for him the SBD must know who he is.

Make sense?
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truth wrote:
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Mason, that is how see things happening.
Is the problem that Hanover will not release the log? If so, why not?
Are the 911 tapes Hanover's to release as well?
If so why not. If the come from somewhere else why wont they release them?
Cover up? Covering up mistakes? Or could this case be part of other cases and LE needs to walk on glass to make sure convictions stick?
I asked Detective Columbo if he or the PIs, or the Murrays had the Hanover logs and he said no. I don't even know if HPD or the NHSP ever requested them. I suspect they didn't because they didn't realize the SBD's call was routed through to Hanover.

This may be the big break we've all been waiting for.
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I should have added that the driver of the POV is the most likely candidate to have abducted and murdered Maura and if the SBD covered-up for him the SBD must know who he is.
Make sense?
Are you suggesting that a police officer abducted and murdered Maura Murray? If so, and if you believe you know the police officer's identiy, do you think this police officer is still alive?
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Mason wrote:
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I asked Detective Columbo if he or the PIs, or the Murrays had the Hanover logs and he said no.
And you believed Detective Columbo?
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Mason wrote:
I should have added that the driver of the POV is the most likely candidate to have abducted and murdered Maura and if the SBD covered-up for him the SBD must know who he is.
Make sense?
Makes sense... maybe, the abduction part that is. What about the CW seeing a female on foot and the willingness to let LE know later rather than sooner. Who could be covering for who?
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Mason wrote:
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I asked Detective Columbo if he or the PIs, or the Murrays had the Hanover logs and he said no. I don't even know if HPD or the NHSP ever requested them. I suspect they didn't because they didn't realize the SBD's call was routed through to Hanover.
This may be the big break we've all been waiting for.
What about the 911 tapes? Would those be a part of the Hanover log? There were other 911 calls made. Did they all go through Hanover? If not then where are those tapes?

Two sets of tapes?
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