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peripeteia Nova Scotia
Charlottetown, Canada
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Wowzer wrote: <quoted text>
***The house speaker who was disbarred, lost his pension, got disbarred and is basically an outcast, why he LIED?***
Who are you talking about? This is the first I heard about any of this.
Seems you have already tried and convicted the SBD so I'll not say anything further except that people are innocent until proven guilty which you seem to be forgetting. Former House speaker Thomas M. Finneran, seeking to cleanse the stain left by his 2007 conviction for obstruction of justice, is angling for a last-minute pardon from President Bush and has lined up a group of former Massachusetts governors to back his request. Discuss COMMENTS (178) Related Survey: Should Finneran receive a pardon? Finneran submitted an application for a presidential pardon last month, and the four governors - Democrat Michael Dukakis and Republicans William F. Weld, Paul Cellucci, and Jane Swift - followed up with a letter to the White House praising his integrity. Finneran has already been "severely punished," the governors wrote, citing the loss of his state pension, the suspension of his license to practice law, and his firing from a lucrative private-sector job. Wozwer: I have not stated that SBD had anything to do with Maura's disappearance. I have stated he has been untruthful. WHY? Why has he been deceptive? Why did he tell untruths to the press, why does his version of events of what he did after the accident differ from his neighbours and the facts, re: the 911 logs clearly point out that he told untruths to the press. By God he didn't even made the 911 call? That is the problem with fabrication, one is left to speculated and suspect his motives. He is the last person to see Maura (allegedly), he is the only person to place her at the weather barn. You can say what you will, but there is evidence that he has not been completely honest. If that is OK with you, then fine, but it is not OK with me and it can not be passed off as nothing and it is not OK with allot of other people. It should not be OK with the police or the tax payers of the community as the investigation has cost a kings' ransom.
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Saint Paul, MN
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propaganda firetruck wrote: <quoted text>
why not?
what is the date of this affidavit?
were the records never released?
did the investigator determine this was a dead end? White Wash may know the date of the affidavit. Other than that, I don't have the answers for you.
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FireCat
United States
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Pointer wrote: I guess I'm asking, is Fred satisfied with the investigation of the A-frame?Anyone know? For that matter, he must be tired by now, but what is his theory of what transpired? I know this is somewhat personal, but if anyone has the best theory thus far, it could be him. The most detail I've heard him go into was on the record, and it was "some dirtbag grabbed her." It was also quite a while ago. I believe Weeper confirmed that it was, in fact, menstrual blood, in one of his posts on this forum.
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FireCat
United States
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elsewherebriefly wrote: <quoted text>
Pointer,
The UL published in one of their articles ( I think Fall of 07)that when asked about it Mr. Murray stated that the A-Frame had been debunked.
I questioned this statement on Maura's forum and received an immediate reply from the moderator that Mr. Murray was misquoted and he never said that.
Hope this helps.......... YES YES YES. I have it directly as well that Fred NEVER said that.
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Detective Columbo
Littleton, NH
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I am looking for a link for a pix Isaw previously but can't seem to locate.
The pix is of the Haverhill #001 parked in front of the Weathered Barn with 3 people standing in front of it. The pix is from Feb. 9th when they had the gathering at the acc. scene.
Can anybody help me on this one?
Thanx...Columbo
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FireCat
United States
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Mason wrote: I would like to know who pulled the log page from the MMM site and why, because I cannot imagine why it would have to be removed to add more documents in the coming weeks.
That's one of the most feeble excuses I've ever heard. Oh puh-leeze. Web sites update all the time. At least they were considerate enough to post an explanation/update. Get over it. Not everything is a conspiracy.
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FireCat
United States
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Detective Columbo wrote: I am looking for a link for a pix Isaw previously but can't seem to locate.
The pix is of the Haverhill #001 parked in front of the Weathered Barn with 3 people standing in front of it. The pix is from Feb. 9th when they had the gathering at the acc. scene.
Can anybody help me on this one?
Thanx...Columbo A-lookin, Columbo.
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propaganda firetruck
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FireCat wrote: <quoted text>
YES YES YES. I have it directly as well that Fred NEVER said that. Directly from who?
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propaganda firetruck
Boulder, CO
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Detective Columbo wrote: I am looking for a link for a pix Isaw previously but can't seem to locate.
The pix is of the Haverhill #001 parked in front of the Weathered Barn with 3 people standing in front of it. The pix is from Feb. 9th when they had the gathering at the acc. scene.
Can anybody help me on this one?
Thanx...Columbo you're a detective? don't you have these all carefully labeled in a file cabinet?
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propaganda firetruck
Boulder, CO
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FireCat wrote: <quoted text>
Oh puh-leeze. Web sites update all the time. At least they were considerate enough to post an explanation/update. Get over it. Not everything is a conspiracy. you are probably right, but there are certainly conspiracies of distraction being played out on this forum.
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Detective Columbo
Littleton, NH
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Firecat....
Thank You....I just can't seem to find it for some reason.
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Big Rad
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Ever watch model railroaders? They plan entire miniature communities. And they time every move of the trains, the traffic, anything that moves or transports something. The fun, so to speak, is all in manipulating and timing the various moving objects. They even plan crashes.
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Big Rad
United States
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Maybe someone should check the customers of model railroad stores.
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propaganda firetruck
Boulder, CO
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Big Rad wrote: Maybe someone should check the customers of model railroad stores. I just checked. All the customers have alibis for Feb 9th 2004.
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propaganda firetruck
Boulder, CO
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Big Rad wrote: Maybe someone should check the customers of model railroad stores. They also claim to not be involved, so they must be telling the truth.
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Big Rad
United States
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Any chance she knew someone who was a friend of the person who arranged Rowland's flights on Key Air?
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Big Rad
United States
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propaganda firetruck wrote: <quoted text>
I just checked. All the customers have alibis for Feb 9th 2004. Wicked fast access. Thank you.
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peripeteia Nova Scotia
Charlottetown, Canada
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propaganda firetruck wrote: <quoted text>
But in regards to this case almost everyone is lying, or keeping their mouths shut at the least. Even people on this board pass off lies as "facts", or twist opinions around to make them seem as "fact." If they are committing a serious offense, they are getting away with it. All the while Maura Murray is still missing and no one claims to know what happened to her.
I don't think any kind of consensus from this forum will ever lead us to an answer. However, it's very possible that someone who participates here may get enough information, and have the mind enough, to make some kind of break in the case.
However, I am skeptical at best because of the lies, the deception. I wonder, if someone did make a break in the case, who would cooperate? Do we trust LE, FM, the PI's? Why? Do we trust one another? Certainly not. Just look at the conversations here.
I came to this forum with a genuine interest in this case, but there is something sinister at work here that makes me feel strange to even participate in this forum. It seems that some people are "in the know" about something, and that it is very sinister, very dangerous to cross certain boundaries when discussing this case.
I understand that some people are here because of a personal agenda and that they never really reveal their intentions to us. They say their intentions are to find Maura Murray, but in reality that intention is secondary to falsifying information, covering up the truth, or distracting the few random people that show up from time to time to try to provide some insight and a challenge to the so-called established norms.
For example, from time to time Alden shows up with a bit of information, and there is an immediate response from someone who discounts it and wants to make anyone who thinks that there is any truth to it feel like a complete moron. Why? The same theories are discussed again and again, and seem less and less likely everyday. Is this to direct the conversation, to distract new participants, to discourage them from continued participation? Is this to keep the focus on certain scenarios in order to keep the focus away from other scenarios? If so, which scenarios?
A little under five years ago, the answer may have been very simple, just overlooked. Today, the asnwers seem to become increasingly opaque, with twisted and distorted facts, uncompromising opinions, etc. etc. firetruck: Ya it is a can of worms, I trust the PI's and the Murray family and some people here have worked diligently to seek justice for Maura and to highen public awareness. No accounting for the bikering and those who wear rose colour glasses, and cannot comment on anyone specifically as to how they are treated and why, but welcome to the looney bin. Here is no different than any other forum I have participated in for missing people, almost always they are usually are sabotaged, why is a mystery, however, it is my experience, it does make a difference. Somewhere someone knows something. Absolutely it does make a difference, and hopefully a grand jury will be called to investigate Maura's disappearance, for example in the Chandra Levy missing case, public pressure brought the DA to call a grand jury, even though, the only person of interest pleaded the 5th. Don't be discouraged, tell yourself, "It is mind over matter, I don't mind and they don't matter". It is important to be respectful but not everyone plays by the rules, here or anywhere else in life.
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Florence, MA
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A friend told me about this forum..... I have followed the MAura Murray case for the past four years. Detective Columbo & Weeper- are there ANY new developments in this case?
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Pointer
Flushing, NY
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If test results exist, where are they? We shouldn't assume that tests were done and came back negative just because no one (except for possibly 1 person) seems to have heard about them. No offense, just saying if tests were done, results should be readily available. Shack (or Weeper), have you seen them? How? Where are they? I'm having trouble ruling out the A-frame b/c of this, but would like to move on to other topics if we can. Seems easy to me. If they exist, where are the results?
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