Mason
Paducah, KY
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TIME IS RUNNING OUT TO VOTE IN THE POLL ON THE OTHER SITE. The other site has 44 registered people. Only 19 have voted. The poll question is: Are you convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that Maura Murray is dead? 11 have voted No 08 have voted Yes So far the poll confirms what I've predicted about the significance of no body. I'm not patting myself on the back. I think the conclusion is pretty obvious and any one of us likely would have made the same prediction. Since no one has been charged in Maura's case, I believe that we can reasonably conclude on the basis of these early results that no matter how much more evidence the NHSP may have collected, compared to minimal evidence we know about, a prosecutor doesn't believe there is enough evidence to prove death. Assuming she is dead, her remains must be found. If they aren't, there is little reason to believe that the truth will be known or that anyone ever will be charged. If we conclude with a high degree of certainty (1) whether she left Amherst,(2) why she left Amherst, and (3) her state of mind when she left Amherst we might be able to definitively rule out suicide and intent to start a new life. That evidence would correspondingly reduce the need to find a body to prove death and it also might lead to enough evidence to identify a viable suspect in Amherst. Given the vast geographical area to search for Maura's body, assuming she's dead, it makes sense to organize the search effort around each suspect. That is, by taking the time to study each suspect's comings and goings, preferred areas to go for recreation, and routes to get there, one might considerably narrow the search effort to locations well known and frequently visited by a particular suspect.
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Mason
Paducah, KY
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We must never give up hope.
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oo00oo
Altenburg, MO
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Quija wrote: We know virtually nothing. The few facts I know I came across by pure chance. Repeating myself, it's hard to believe that the FBI was directed to just do routine interviews with family and friends in the Massachusetts vicinity. And that their job was of minimal importance. I can't believe I bought that for so long! Yes, NH LE will do the deep investigative work in the Haverhill area, and let's "let" the FBI do the go-fer-type routine stuff!(This is sarcasm.) And it's only my current opinion. As others have been speculating, who was Maura going up north with? Her family has stated that NEVER BEFORE HAD MAURA EVER TAKEN A TRIP LIKE THAT ALONE. Seems when she went somewhere (from the tiny amount we've been told) it was with Billy or Fred. So I'm guessing it was a guy she was traveling with. Again, anyone know if the Saturn had power windows? I'm trying to explain the "cracked open" back window being inadvertently opened if Maura was feeling in the dark for the "lock door" button ---- IF it actually had power locks, etc. If her car was sitting in the parking lot, not being used, did Maura meet anyone there? After a run, did she talk in the car with a fellow runner?(Particularly on warm days!) Was it a private spot to recline and visit without being easily seen? Even in January on a sunny day the solar warmth could be tolerable for a quick visit... I don't recall anyone on her dorm floor saying they knew she lived on that dorm floor... So I also never heard anyone talk about visitors coming to her room. No-one ever answered my question as to whether she was in one of the single rooms near the elevators and staircase (at the end of the floor) or a single right across from the lounge hangout area. Did she park away from overhead lighting? I'm 75%(ha) convinced she had a new boyfriend and that some of her acquaintances and perhaps even some family knew about it. I can understand why that wouldn't look good to mention because her having Billy as a fiance creates a very stable image. It also detoxifies the report that she left birth control pills in the Saturn and makes it seem like she was Almost Married. If I sound irritated it's because I am. We were duped about a lot of things. And many of those things would not have "damaged the investigation"; they are just things that might not look great. No-one is perfect. Tell it like it is! I agree with your frustrations. I also think it is possible she had a BF. I think there is something to (I forget) Mason's or Alden's theory about her having a relationship with a police officer. Maura would be in a position of either having called, or being right there if there was a problem at that dorm. I have partied a Umass Amherst in my younger years. It was a WILD place. I'm sure the cops are called to the dorms often. I also don't think the security going off on Alden was coincidence either. Amherst has answers no matter what weeper says.
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Mason
Paducah, KY
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Snowy White wrote: Mason states: "If the Murray family has revealed everything it knows about Maura's private life, warts and all, to law enforcement then none of us has a right to gripe about the veil of secrecy. But, if LE also has been denied information, then I can only conclude that the desire to maintain the All American Girl image is far more important to her family than solving her disappearance." Has the Murray family engaged or contracted for your professional services? Is the Murray family obligated to provide you and a self-appointed team of strangers with personal information about their daughter? Are they obligated to reveal the extent of their exchange of information with law enforcement...to your satisfaction? Are you not here by your own free will and generosity? Are there strings attached? You have no right to gripe under any circumstances...Maura is not your daughter. Judging and criticizing a grieving family is uncalled for, IMHO. I understand and respect your opinion, but I nevertheless do not agree. I believe in what I said and I will accept the consequences without rancor or hurt feelings. I do agree that the Murray family is not obliged to do anything on my say so and please note that I said I have no complaint, if they have provided everything they know about Maura, warts and all, to LE. I believe that information is necessary for LE to have any hope to solve this case. Yes, that is my personal opinion and everyone should feel free to disagree and tell me that I've got my head stuck up my you-know-what. I recognize there is an indistinct boundary between a legitimate desire to know about a possible homicide victim's private life and blaming the victim. I hope people will believe me when I deny attempting to blame Maura's apparent misfortune on her. I just want to know if she left town, why she left town, and her state of mind when she left town. I believe the answers may enable LE to rule out suicide and starting a new life. Those possibilities have to be ruled out if she was murdered because a murder charge cannot be proven in this case without a body so long as a reasonable possibility exists that one of those alternatives explains her disappearance. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
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FireCat
United States
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It might interest several people (or several names and one poster)(or both) to learn that, if one visits the UMass web site, it takes all of five minutes to find out where the Nursing Program has clinical affiliations. Guess what. ONE OF THEM IS IN NORWOOD. There is absolutely no reason to believe Maura was attending clinicals anywhere else, since the person who drove Maura was the one who provided this information. Take a look. They're listed alphabetically, so it's down the page a bit. ttp://www.umass.edu/nursing/pr ograms/affiliations.html
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peripeteia Nova Scotia
Digby, Canada
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susan12 wrote: Hello- It is my belief that Billy was her current and serious boyfriend. Did she have any best friends (women) at U. of Mass. that may know something. Susan: Maura had a few friends at the University, most of her friends were from her home town in Maine. Someone can add to the list, Kate Marcopolous (met her before University at Track meets) Katie...forgotten her last name and another girl, also forgot her name...others here will know
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Mason
Paducah, KY
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peripeteia Nova Scotia wrote: Found information which states that the CW saw Maura on the 112 WRITTEN GARY LINDSEY May 6, 2004 HAVERHILL NEW HAMPSHIRE "There may be a break in the case involving 21-year-old nursing student Maura Murray who disappeared the night of Feb. 9 after she was involved in a one-car accident on rural Route 112 in Haverhill. [color=violet]New Hampshire State Police Troop F Lt. John Scarinza said a witness has come forward with information he may have seen Murray about four to five miles east of the accident scene. Scarinza said a man, whom he declined to identify, was returning from a construction job in the Franconia area when he spotted a young woman matching Murray's description hurrying east on Route 112, about an hour after her accident.[/color] The Bradley Hill Road exit, off 112 coming from 116 Franconia is further down the road than 5 miles from the accident scene if you were traveling on the 112, as originally determined by Earl, MMM forum. 4-5 miles places the siting near the Whicherville Road. An hour after the accident places the CW worker at 2026 thereaouts,(calculated by Faith Westmans' report of the accident occuring at 1927 and he left Franconia at 1900. Wonder where he went inbetween the time he left work and saw the person on the 112?!(1 1/2 hours) This would place him coming home via 112 and if he went directly home he would arrive at approximately 1935? We will find no answers to this question here, but hopefully the police have investigated this matter throughly. I believe the CW is one of LE's suspects and the time issue you spotted is the basis for why they do along with his strange story about a runner he saw on the way home. I don't actually know if he is a suspect, but it seems likely. The cops didn't find any incriminating evidence apparently when they searched his trailer after he sold it, but that doesn't establish his innocence. Police didn't find any incriminating evidence when they searched the Green River Killer's home and he admitted killing 48 women, including some of them in his home.
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oo00oo
Murphysboro, IL
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peripeteia Nova Scotia wrote: <quoted text> Susan: Maura had a few friends at the University, most of her friends were from her home town in Maine. Someone can add to the list, Kate Marcopolous (met her before University at Track meets) Katie...forgotten her last name and another girl, also forgot her name...others here will know Hometown in Massachusetts?
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peripeteia Nova Scotia
Digby, Canada
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FireCat wrote: It might interest several people (or several names and one poster)(or both) to learn that, if one visits the UMass web site, it takes all of five minutes to find out where the Nursing Program has clinical affiliations. Guess what. ONE OF THEM IS IN NORWOOD. There is absolutely no reason to believe Maura was attending clinicals anywhere else, since the person who drove Maura was the one who provided this information. Take a look. They're listed alphabetically, so it's down the page a bit. ttp://www.umass.edu/nursing/pr ograms/affiliations.html firecat, thanks for the information will try and report the url, there is an error and won't work http://www.umass.edu/nursing/programs/affilia... url doesn't fit all on one line Helena did say that her clinical was at Norwood, and had recently stayed with a class mate because of poor weather, thanks for the information
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peripeteia Nova Scotia
Digby, Canada
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oo00oo wrote: <quoted text> Hometown in Massachusetts? Thought Maura was from Hanson, Maine?
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peripeteia Nova Scotia
Digby, Canada
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Maura Murray attended Whitman-Hanson High School, Maine most of her girl friends were from there. sorry firecat, I didn't get the url to post correctly from U of Mass, will go to the University site and check out without link
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oo00oo
Murphysboro, IL
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peripeteia Nova Scotia wrote: <quoted text> Thought Maura was from Hanson, Maine? Maura is from Mass. Or at least she spent most of her time in Hanson, MA.??
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Mason
Paducah, KY
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peripeteia Nova Scotia wrote: <quoted text> Thought Maura was from Hanson, Maine? Maura's home town is Hanson, Massachusetts. Kate Markopoulos and Sarah Alfieri were two of her UMass friends. Markopoulos was on the UMass women's track team and that's where Maura met her. Maura met Sarah Alfieri at the art gallery where they both worked. Markopoulos joined Maura and Fred Murray for dinner at a local brew pub in Amherst on Saturday night, February 7th. The party at the dorm later that night was in Sarah Alfieri's room. Markopoulos also was at the party. Maura and Sarah Alfieri worked a shift at the art gallery on Sunday. Maura did not tell her that she wrecked her dad's car after the party in Alfieri's room the previous night.
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FireCat
United States
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peripeteia Nova Scotia wrote: Maura Murray attended Whitman-Hanson High School, Maine most of her girl friends were from there. sorry firecat, I didn't get the url to post correctly from U of Mass, will go to the University site and check out without link Whitman-Hanson High School is in MASSACHUSETTS, Peri.:o) You have your M-states confused. http://www.umass.edu/nursing/programs/affilia...
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FireCat
United States
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The above link is correct; my original had the original "h" lopped off and yours was missing some characters in the middle. This one is a go.
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“beauty ~ nature ~ the roar”
Joined: Jun 12, 2008
Comments: 643
Gloucester, MA
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Mason wrote: <quoted text> I understand and respect your opinion, but I nevertheless do not agree. I believe in what I said and I will accept the consequences without rancor or hurt feelings. I do agree that the Murray family is not obliged to do anything on my say so and please note that I said I have no complaint, if they have provided everything they know about Maura, warts and all, to LE. I believe that information is necessary for LE to have any hope to solve this case. Yes, that is my personal opinion and everyone should feel free to disagree and tell me that I've got my head stuck up my you-know-what. I recognize there is an indistinct boundary between a legitimate desire to know about a possible homicide victim's private life and blaming the victim. I hope people will believe me when I deny attempting to blame Maura's apparent misfortune on her. I just want to know if she left town, why she left town, and her state of mind when she left town. I believe the answers may enable LE to rule out suicide and starting a new life. Those possibilities have to be ruled out if she was murdered because a murder charge cannot be proven in this case without a body so long as a reasonable possibility exists that one of those alternatives explains her disappearance. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. Though I respect your right to your opinion, as well, I just shake my head in disbelief in considering the audacity of perfect strangers to insist they have a need to know and a right to know privileged information about Maura Murray, or anyone else, for that matter. While many excellent questions have been asked, I trust they have been or will be properly taken up by authorities, and if answered, remain protected by appropriate laws. If a sign is needed to attest to Fred Murray's commitment to his daughter, note his lawsuit and the pained expression on his face. Casting blame in every direction has not proven to be productive. Indeed, I hope the integrity of any ongoing investigation(s) will remain intact, in spite of unreasonable demands.
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oo00oo
Murphysboro, IL
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Mason wrote: TIME IS RUNNING OUT TO VOTE IN THE POLL ON THE OTHER SITE. The other site has 44 registered people. Only 19 have voted. The poll question is: Are you convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that Maura Murray is dead? 11 have voted No 08 have voted Yes So far the poll confirms what I've predicted about the significance of no body. I'm not patting myself on the back. I think the conclusion is pretty obvious and any one of us likely would have made the same prediction. Since no one has been charged in Maura's case, I believe that we can reasonably conclude on the basis of these early results that no matter how much more evidence the NHSP may have collected, compared to minimal evidence we know about, a prosecutor doesn't believe there is enough evidence to prove death. Assuming she is dead, her remains must be found. If they aren't, there is little reason to believe that the truth will be known or that anyone ever will be charged. If we conclude with a high degree of certainty (1) whether she left Amherst,(2) why she left Amherst, and (3) her state of mind when she left Amherst we might be able to definitively rule out suicide and intent to start a new life. That evidence would correspondingly reduce the need to find a body to prove death and it also might lead to enough evidence to identify a viable suspect in Amherst. Given the vast geographical area to search for Maura's body, assuming she's dead, it makes sense to organize the search effort around each suspect. That is, by taking the time to study each suspect's comings and goings, preferred areas to go for recreation, and routes to get there, one might considerably narrow the search effort to locations well known and frequently visited by a particular suspect. What does it matter? Why is "time running out?" Everyone has their opinions. it does not change anything. We are divided. We have limited info. ???? If the other site is so much better, why do people keep posting here? Why keep checking in?
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FireCat
United States
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Snowy White wrote: <quoted text> Though I respect your right to your opinion, as well, I just shake my head in disbelief in considering the audacity of perfect strangers to insist they have a need to know and a right to know privileged information about Maura Murray, or anyone else, for that matter. While many excellent questions have been asked, I trust they have been or will be properly taken up by authorities, and if answered, remain protected by appropriate laws. If a sign is needed to attest to Fred Murray's commitment to his daughter, note his lawsuit and the pained expression on his face. Casting blame in every direction has not proven to be productive. Indeed, I hope the integrity of any ongoing investigation(s) will remain intact, in spite of unreasonable demands. THANK YOU. Well said!
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citigirl
Bridgewater, MA
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Wowzer wrote: It seems that either no one wants to answer my post #11782 from Jan 7th or it has been overlooked so I'll bring it up again. Even though I know many couldn't care less if I register to the new site or not I think it's important to explain why there is spyware coming from Advocator's new site to computers that frequent it and what it is tracking. Until this is answered I'll not be going there. Also it was brought to my attention that the PM's from this site that are supposed to be private are being forwarded to the PI's by some of the so called "team". So what's up with this new site because something sure right. Wowzer I agree there is something wrong with that site. I will not be going there either.
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Joined: Jun 16, 2008
Comments: 503
Södertälje, Sweden
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Hello all, Apart from the wavering statements of the SBD there is, IMHO, nothing whatsoever that with any certainty nplaces Maura at the Weathered Barn, Swiftwater or anywhere else in NH for that matter. Considering the many inconsistencies in the witness statement of the SBD, the female driver of the Saturn could well have been someone who vaguely resembles Maura. This has been said here so many times previously, but it deserves to be said once more: The last publicly known, certain sighting of Maura was in Amherst, MA, by the witness who reportedly met Maura carrying a bag near the Kennedy Dorm. Whether the disputed ATM video from Amherst actually shows Maura or not is a matter of discussion. The conclusion remains the same: The last known, positive sighting of Maura was in Amherst, MA.
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