Where is MAURA MURRAY

yankee wrote:

How could he tell she had flawless skin (on her face) if it was covered with heavy foundation?

Bingo!

How do you know the spelling of someones name if they "flee" with their card that they filled out?

Snowy White wrote:

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Ben Franklyne ~
I've been a mere observer for much less than the standard 5 years; and while I do not hold any new information, I've been content to freely express my opinions, and to communicate to the best of my ability.
While agreeing with some of Tampa's thoughts about Maura...I hope you understand I definitely don't condone the undeserved anger, targeting and insults he directed at you.
The challenge may very well be unsolvable, and the arguments do seem unproductive.

I DO NOT blame you - or anyone.:)

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>it had already been stated long ago that Maura's clinicals were at Holyoke and Norwood.

Thanks citigirl, had it right all along, as Helena gave this information. And if you don't mind answering, the friend she stayed with because of a storm, did this friend live in Holyoke?

As always nice to hear from you, a voice of reason. take care, kate

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>this has already been checked out and Raykel is not Maura.

Thanks again, out of the darkness comes the light,the voice of reason.
kate

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>So the person who drove Maura was the one who gave the information? So despite multiple people asking where exactly the clinicals were, and not getting a response, it was known. That's just ........ Do you not see how that information could be useful?
So she was studying pediatrics at Norwood Hospital? Or was she studying pediatrics in Holyoke? Which site in Holyoke was she at? What's the track record for Norwood Hospital or the site in Holyoke with nursing students being followed? Stalked? Harassed?

I did state that she was in a Pediatrics rotation and someone stated her clinicals were in Norwood, and I knew that some of them were in Holyoke, however after all these years with no references it is difficult to keep information straight.

I believe that the girl where she stayed the night due to a storm was in Holyoke, the same girl she borrowed a lab coat from, which I thought were scrubs which didn't really matter, she stayed with her and borrowed a piece of clothing.

I have asked citigirl, this question, hopefully she will reply.

The reason I know it was Ped's is because this is a brutal rotation, depending on how sick the children are, it can be for some the straw that breaks the camels back. I suggested long ago, perhaps it might be advantageous to find out her patient assignment, for example if she had a cancer patient, or a patient where the family was giving the staff a difficult time, it might have been overwhelming. Therefore, the previous week, might have been trying, or the week Maura disappeared her assignment might have been something she just couldn't face.

I have taken on patients for classmates that they couldn't handle, I was 34 and they were in their early 20's that said, it was brutal. The children's hospital in question is the largest within a 1000 miles, and every seriously sick child landed there.

One of the private detectives looked into this angle, I did not find out the conclusion as that part was not important or necessary for me to know, just perhaps a lead as to why Maura felt the overwhelming need to get away.

Of my class of 115 students, only 55 graduated, most of the students dropped out in either Ped's or general medicine, although our passing grade was 75, very few students failed because of the exams, but rather an inability to cope with death and dying, especially children.

Predators in the area of Holyoke,this would require research on the internet, and speaking to some of the staff at the hospital. There are lurks about at every hospital. I worked at a hospital with 4,500 employees, when we went to our cars to move them at night out to the street to avoid parking fees, or out for air, smoke inhalation therapy (joke) we NEVER went alone.
And if working until 2300 or 2400 we were escorted to our cars by security or another nurse.
There are always weirdos about, whether real or imagined threat we took no changes, but presumably Maura's clinicals were all during the day but lurks still prevail in the light of day.

Sugar wrote:

<quoted text>Fred Tuttle.

thank you, have researched the people Maura competed with in track, will look up this person, it is a real person isn't it? But sugar darling, I asked Wally?

Or are you wally? confusing?

Sugar wrote:

<quoted text>What about all those "people" near Cheticamp?

no they do not look like Maura because they are ACADIAN, they look like the Cajuns in Louisanna dark completed, or olive completed, usually dark eyes, very distintive, French in origin. There are very few Irish and Scottish people in this particular part of NS, however in Mabou, Inverness area there are a few Irish, but mainly Scottish...

we do not move allot in this neck of the woods, families have been there hundreds of years, and times change, as there is no fish, and little work, however, so most people are older in these communities and the young have had to go far afield for work.

If Maura was hiding out in a place like this, she would be noticed as she would be a new comer and everyone would be aware there was a new face in town.

FireCat wrote:

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Whitman-Hanson High School is in MASSACHUSETTS, Peri.:o) You have your M-states confused.
http://www.umass.edu/nursing/programs/affilia...

Thanks and thanks too Mason for the information re her friends. Poor Helena was always after me because I confuse the initials MA and ME, thanks too for the link...

I even looked on a map and still got it confused.

Mason: do you know the name of the girl who stated that Maura had "changed recently", her name was Katie and not Kate M. Often wondered what she meant?

Maura competed with Kate M. in track and field meets prior to going to U of Mass, did they know one another prior to U of Mass? I do believe Kate said, "they met up again", but hey can't be trusted with my memory.

Sugar alias Wally

Do you mean Fred Tuttle, Old and Odd, author of 'Man With a Plan"? Or does he have a grandson
(joking) by the same name. Question what has this to do with Maura? I have researched most things you have written but it is too complicated to follow, I mean no disrespect, but you are wasting my time and others who are seriously looking for what became of Maura, could you clearly and concisely state your case, and how it is related to Maura, besides buildings being next door to one another, and the school bus driver being employee by the own of one of these buildings, I sincerely want to get on the same wave length you are one but can't follow you, especially since I am not familiar with companies and names and connections you throw about.

Perhaps the other folks on this site might get your drift, but I am buried in the snow trying to follow your posts,

take care, kate

Hello,

It just completely baffles me how anyone could conclusively state that the "Raykel" girl at the Vermont church was definitely not Maura.
Apparently, the church witness only contacted LE after quite some time, after having seen a picture of Maura in the papers.
My critical and questioning mind tells me that it would, in effect, be practically impossible for anyone to dismiss the "Raykel" sighting as being of no importance.
I have not seen such a conclusion ever being cited by the media or by any person of authority.
I remain unconvinced.

i've been a little confused by the reports of the scent trail. it leads from the crash site and heads west on 112 towards bradley hill, or past bradley hill, to a place near the driveway of the sbd, yes/no? the wikipedia site said that it led to place between two houses. was the sbd's house one of these, and the other? the CW trailer? just trying to place this trail exactly. i'm sure i will get more than one answer or none at all. i am sure its been discussed before, but i can't find it. thanks again.

Back on the MMM forum, many posters were stunned to hear that Maura's clinicals were in Norwood, MA, halfway across the state, not far from her own home. But that's what we were told. I think we were told this by Helena or Sharon, someone we trusted knew. Sometime later it was mentioned that Maura also had clinicals in Holyoke, MA. I know nothing about clinicals, but I was astounded from the beginning that they'd send students across the state, rather than finding local associated hospitals or clinics. So - periodically I post that "I just can't believe it", thinking about the school's possible liability for sending students through snow and ice a couple hours on the highway. It was just common sense that it should be questioned. It was posted a year or two ago that the student who drove Maura supplied the Norwood information in addition to explaining that one snowy night she and Maura stayed over in the Norwood area at a friend's apt to avoid the drive. This was posted as how Maura came to borrow some kind of clothing from her friend which she returned before she disappeared.

I also don't want to dis the man who thought "Raykel" might've been Maura. It's embarrassing to contact the police with something that might make you look foolish; it takes guts to do what you think is the right thing, thinking of how you'd feel if it was your own daughter. Better than being someone who looks the other way and has no nagging conscience doing so!!!!!! Over and out.

I hope this OK to do --- someone pointed out we only have a couple dozen people posting here -- but by using intellius I may've found the "Raykel" we're looking for. Spells her first name differently and lives near the church. I'm one who believes the report that she was checked out and WAS NOT MAURA.

FireCat wrote:

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The new web site does track a poster's ISP. That is for the FORUM's safety, and the safety of its members. It's not malicious spyware. Many forums and message boards do that.

So how many knew there was spyware on the site beside you Firecat? The "team", the PI's?
How does it make the forum safer to put spyware on everyone's computer that comes to the site when the webmaster can very easily see someones IP address if they are causing problems.
According to Symantec Security Response, spyware is any software pkg that tracks and sends personally identifiable information to third parties.
Personally identifiable info is information that can be traced to a specific person such as full name.
Now since a couple of people have been trying to get everyone to stop posting on Topix and just post to the new site I have to wonder about the reason for that.
Is this a way for the PI's to get the names of people to investigate them? Just asking cause I'm curious even though I doubt I'll get a truthful answer especially if people's indentities are being tracked.

Eurobserver wrote:

I have not seen such a conclusion ever being cited by the media or by any person of authority.
I remain unconvinced.

Detective Columbo, who is a private investigator, has stated it was not Raykel. That was not enough of an authority for you?

Quija wrote:

Back on the MMM forum, many posters were stunned to hear that Maura's clinicals were in Norwood, MA, halfway across the state, not far from her own home. But that's what we were told. I think we were told this by Helena or Sharon, someone we trusted knew. Sometime later it was mentioned that Maura also had clinicals in Holyoke, MA. I know nothing about clinicals, but I was astounded from the beginning that they'd send students across the state, rather than finding local associated hospitals or clinics. So - periodically I post that "I just can't believe it", thinking about the school's possible liability for sending students through snow and ice a couple hours on the highway. It was just common sense that it should be questioned. It was posted a year or two ago that the student who drove Maura supplied the Norwood information in addition to explaining that one snowy night she and Maura stayed over in the Norwood area at a friend's apt to avoid the drive. This was posted as how Maura came to borrow some kind of clothing from her friend which she returned before she disappeared.
I also don't want to dis the man who thought "Raykel" might've been Maura. It's embarrassing to contact the police with something that might make you look foolish; it takes guts to do what you think is the right thing, thinking of how you'd feel if it was your own daughter. Better than being someone who looks the other way and has no nagging conscience doing so!!!!!! Over and out.

Good to know yours was an honest sort of "I don't believe it" of the sort that third-year nursing students probably uttered when they found out where they were assigned, as in, "Oh my god, I have to get up at 4 in the morning to go to frickin' Norwood, I don't believe this crap."

This sort of garden-variety incredulousness differs greatly from the other kind, the kind that accused Helena of putting forth false information, which is the kind others have suggested.

FireCat wrote:

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Detective Columbo, who is a private investigator, has stated it was not Raykel. That was not enough of an authority for you?

Speaking for myself and no one else I wonder how he came to the conclusion that it definitely wasn't Maura. He may say it wasn't but why doesn't he say how he came to the conclusion?
Did he go to the church and talk to them, did he see a picture, did he talk to the man that saw her?
I think there would be so fewer questions if statements weren't thrown out as facts with nothing to explain how they became a fact.JMHO

FireCat wrote:

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Good to know yours was an honest sort of "I don't believe it" of the sort that third-year nursing students probably uttered when they found out where they were assigned, as in, "Oh my god, I have to get up at 4 in the morning to go to frickin' Norwood, I don't believe this crap."

Hahaha --- FireCat, that's EXACTLY what they'd be thinking!

How can I doubt what Helena said since I've got no other information!? But it never hurts to express what your (i.e., MY) common sense questions.

I am still curious about liability for accidents and injuries of nursing students sent far distances. Maybe Mason know the LAW PART. I mean, they make you sign waivers when you take a swimming class in case you slip on the tile!

Wowzer wrote:

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So how many knew there was spyware on the site beside you Firecat? The "team", the PI's?
How does it make the forum safer to put spyware on everyone's computer that comes to the site when the webmaster can very easily see someones IP address if they are causing problems.
According to Symantec Security Response, spyware is any software pkg that tracks and sends personally identifiable information to third parties.
Personally identifiable info is information that can be traced to a specific person such as full name.
Now since a couple of people have been trying to get everyone to stop posting on Topix and just post to the new site I have to wonder about the reason for that.
Is this a way for the PI's to get the names of people to investigate them? Just asking cause I'm curious even though I doubt I'll get a truthful answer especially if people's indentities are being tracked.

Advocate TOLD us that the new site would track our ISPs. Anyone who read both the invitation to the message board when it was being set up and the terms of the host knew it. Surely I'm not the only person who reads rules and regs before I sign up for things.

For the PIs to use that information to get our names and investigate us would be both UNETHICAL and ILLEGAL.

It is in case someone does something that violates the terms of the message board, which are set up not by Advocate but by the host company. Most sites use it for things like copyright violations or cyber-stalkers. Symantec has a pretty broad definition of spyware.

Do you not allow ANY cookies AT ALL on your computer? Must make things like using Expedia or Amazon pretty difficult and tedious.

Still, I understand that some people are averse to having their locations and identities known. However, given that (a) I have a damn good firewall,(b) I've got nothing to hide concerning Maura Murray, and (c) there is not one but two PIs on the site, I'm pretty reassured that nothing nefarious is going on when that particular forum host asks to know where I'm logging on from.

Does not this site do the same for its members? The only disadvantage to this site is it's unmoderated.