Where is MAURA MURRAY

John Regan and former Gov. John G. Rowland were both on the same wrestling team at Holy Cross High School in Waterbury, Connecticut.

Suspect sketch in Bish case:

http://www.mollybish.org/images/220_Suspect27...

http://www.ct.gov/governorrowland/lib/governo...

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>When specifics were asked, the questions were ignored. If you knew all along it was norwood hospital, then why not just come out and say it, and not just imply that it was somewhere in norwood? Where in holyoke were the clinicals? there are several sites in holyoke that are used throughout the umass campuses. It would be helpful to look at the rate of assaults, threats against nursing students, don't you think? Every clinical site has data on that type of information--that's part of what goes into a clinical site being picked--how safe, or unsafe it is/has been. It's one of the reasons I'm at Umass boston--statistically the clinical sites are safer than the ones I encountered for my BSN.

All I knew was that it was in Norwood.

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>Because I am a UMass Boston grad student and that is the same list they gave us.........

You didn't get the handbook, then, with the other information? And if it's for ALL UMass schools, couldn't it then also be for UMass Amherst? There aren't UMass campuses in Connecticut, or Brattleboro, and they have clinicals there.

Eurobserver wrote:

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Hello Detective Columbo,
Many thanks for your interesting clarification there.
So, despite what FireCat was purporting, you are definitely not the source for the supposed conclusion that "Raykel" has been ruled out as possibly being Maura.
So, FireCat, who is the source for this very doubtful supposition?
I would be most keen to find out.
Many thanks on beforehand for your information.

It is not a very doubtful supposition. I will have to look again--either on this site of the other one. It must have been Weeper then. It was one of the PIs who said this again recently.

Please bear with me....it won't be momentary, it'll be in the next few hours. Searching this damn thing takes time.

White Wash wrote:

This information came from UMASS to HPD so if you
are stating it's uncorrect isn't it possible UMASS or MA LE have forward other information
incorrectly?
I was under the impression that Maura worked in the afternoon?
A standard check out time for the hotel would be
11 AM.
And didn't she check her voice mail once retreiving her phone from Sara's room?
Where you able to find the receipt?
Thanks!
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I have said that the witness is incorrect for saying they saw Maura early Sunday morning. I believe LE should go back and requestion this witness. As I said before that the reciept was no longer in my posession. Some hotels let you stay after 11:00.

FireCat wrote:

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You didn't get the handbook, then, with the other information? And if it's for ALL UMass schools, couldn't it then also be for UMass Amherst? There aren't UMass campuses in Connecticut, or Brattleboro, and they have clinicals there.

I think you'll find they arrange specific graduate clinicals in the distant sites---many of the grad students are distance learners except for an occasional on campus lecture.

Citigirl...Just a thought...just because one "checks out" around 11 doesn't mean they went straight to the campus .....perhaps they
went to lunch/breakfast and/or looked at cars before arrival on campus....???

Quija wrote:

Back on the MMM forum, many posters were stunned to hear that Maura's clinicals were in Norwood, MA, halfway across the state, not far from her own home. But that's what we were told. I think we were told this by Helena or Sharon, someone we trusted knew. Sometime later it was mentioned that Maura also had clinicals in Holyoke, MA. I know nothing about clinicals, but I was astounded from the beginning that they'd send students across the state, rather than finding local associated hospitals or clinics. So - periodically I post that "I just can't believe it", thinking about the school's possible liability for sending students through snow and ice a couple hours on the highway. It was just common sense that it should be questioned. It was posted a year or two ago that the student who drove Maura supplied the Norwood information in addition to explaining that one snowy night she and Maura stayed over in the Norwood area at a friend's apt to avoid the drive. This was posted as how Maura came to borrow some kind of clothing from her friend which she returned before she disappeared.
I also don't want to dis the man who thought "Raykel" might've been Maura. It's embarrassing to contact the police with something that might make you look foolish; it takes guts to do what you think is the right thing, thinking of how you'd feel if it was your own daughter. Better than being someone who looks the other way and has no nagging conscience doing so!!!!!! Over and out.

we are greatful that this man contacted family but unfortunaly it was not Maura.

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>When specifics were asked, the questions were ignored. If you knew all along it was norwood hospital, then why not just come out and say it, and not just imply that it was somewhere in norwood? Where in holyoke were the clinicals? there are several sites in holyoke that are used throughout the umass campuses. It would be helpful to look at the rate of assaults, threats against nursing students, don't you think? Every clinical site has data on that type of information--that's part of what goes into a clinical site being picked--how safe, or unsafe it is/has been. It's one of the reasons I'm at Umass boston--statistically the clinical sites are safer than the ones I encountered for my BSN.

when specifics were asked it doesn't mean questions were being ignored. I personally do not know the exact location of Maura's clinicals. I only knew they were in Holyoke and Norwood.

Shack wrote:

Citigirl...Just a thought...just because one "checks out" around 11 doesn't mean they went straight to the campus .....perhaps they
went to lunch/breakfast and/or looked at cars before arrival on campus....???

I have been to hotels where they have let me stay later than 11:00. When Maura and her father left the hotel they did not go to the campus until later on.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>I have been to hotels where they have let me stay later than 11:00. When Maura and her father left the hotel they did not go to the campus until later on.

After they left the hotel, did they go next door to an insurance appraiser's office?

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>I have been to hotels where they have let me stay later than 11:00. When Maura and her father left the hotel they did not go to the campus until later on.

Did they leave the hotel in a rented car? If so, where was the Corolla at that point? Thank you.

Weeper wrote:

We do not keep ANYTHING from the State Police that we feel will help in All Maura look-alike “sightings” reported to us have been checked (yes, even the Church sighting) with negative results.
Weeper

Firecat & Euro,

Hope this helps.

Sara wrote:

Does anyone have any statistics on dogs and scent. Such as, if they picked up her scent, does it mean 100% she was there? Or is there room for error on the dogs part? Any thoughts on this?

Scent trails are believed to be composed of microscopic dead skin cells from the outer layer of our skin that continuously fall from our bodies and float to the ground forming an invisible trail in our wake that dogs can detect with their super sensitive sense of smell. Windy conditions spread the trail far and eventually too wide for a dog to follow. Wet conditions suppress the scent. Hot, windy, and dry conditions dissipate a scent trail the fastest and hard surfaces like roads do not retain scent very long. In the road category, a road with high volume traffic traveling at high speeds is least likely to retain a detectable scent trail because vehicles generate high winds that scatter the microscopic dead skin cells far and wide so that no detectable scent trail is present for very long.

Dogs need to be trained and subjected to periodic testing by their handlers to determine how reliably and accurately they follow scent trails. Search and Rescue teams in the Seattle area, which is where I'm from keep records on the training and performance of their scent dogs. I don't know if that was true in this case, but it's another interesting unknown worth checking out.
We would have to know how much traffic passed along Rte 112 during the period from Monday around 7:40 pm until Wednesday when the dog was shown the scent object and commanded to search. Based on what I know, it's possible that a detectable scent trail was present. As with just about every other aspect of this case, I lack sufficient information to confidently form an opinion.
BTW, a glove is an excellent scent object since the dead cellular material accumulates and remains inside the glove. Of course, someone has to wear the glove, or it's worthless.

There is good reason to believe that Maura Murray was acquainted with someone connected to the Rowland corruption scandal and who owned a residential property near SW.

Rowland was a high school wrestler on the same team as John Regan. Regan pleaded guilty to a charge of attempting to abduct a student track star from Saratoga Springs High School.

The school bus driven by Mr. Atwood was owned by by a company that has extremely close corporate connections to the executive jet charter company, Key Air, that provided Rowland with $91,000 of free air travel, mostly to Las Vegas. Rowland was sentenced to one year in jail, largely because of this free air travel.

To over-simply a bit, the company that owned the school bus company and which is very closely connected to Key Air had an office very near, almost across the street, from Kennedy dorm.

The same company, more or less, with the office across from Kennedy also paid a fee to John Regan's attorney shortly after Regan pleaded guilty.

DEJAVU

elsewherebriefly wrote:

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Firecat & Euro,
Hope this helps.

Thank you. That was PRECISELY the post I was looking for.

Detective Columbo wrote:

DEJAVU

...all over again.