Where is MAURA MURRAY

Det. Columbo hates the truth.

Det. Columbo would sneer at the opportunity to see a video tape of her taken after 2/9. He would say no such video could possibly exist.

A thousand ultra reliable witnesses could come forward and swear they knew her well and saw her killed and Det. Columbo would say "Hmmmmm...."

Detective Columbo wrote:

DEJAVU

Det. C is talking about his extensive knowledge of the availability of anabolic steroids and HGH in Yankton, SD in 1969.

Again...and still....

Maribeth Conway reported in her article published in the Whitman-Hanson Express that FW and TW heard a loud acceleration followed by a thump "shortly after 7 pm." According to the dispatch log, she didn't call 911 until 7:27 pm. She and her husband continued to watch the scene until the SBD arrived. They did not mention seeing another vehicle until the school bus arrived.

According to the Caledonian Record the SBD "estimated that seven to nine minutes had elapsed from the time he left Maura to the arrival of the police cruiser," at 7:46 pm. The SBD also estimated that his conversation with Maura, or someone who resembled her, lasted 2 minutes.

If the W's and the SBD's time estimates are accurate, this is the timing and sequence of events.

7:00 - 7:05 pm: Saturn crashes

7:27 pm: FW calls 911

7:35 or 7:37 pm: SBD arrives at the accident scene

7:37 or 7:39 pm: SBD leaves the scene and drives home after 2 minute conversation.

7:43 pm: SBD or his wife calls 911 & call is rerouted to Hanover 911.

7:46 pm: Sgt Smith arrives at the accident scene.

CONCLUSIONS

1. All theories that involve another person following the Saturn, whether friend or foe, are excluded by this timeline because the other person would have been at least 30 minutes behind the Saturn.

2. Unlikely that someone who looked like Maura was behind the wheel because the longer she remained with the car, the greater the risk of discovery by police. There would not have been enough time to leave the scene without being seen by an officer arriving in a police vehicle from either direction. Since the impostor could not have known if any of the nearby neighbors called 911 with a land phone, the impostor would have fled the scene on foot ASAP. The absence of a confederate to pick her up from either direction also suggests there was no confederate. Therefore, Maura drove the Saturn.

3. The presence of the diamond necklace and the stuffed monkey in the car suggests Maura packed the car and she did not intend to spend time with a lover when she left Amherst. The quantity of books and the ingredients to make her favorite drink, a mudslide, also indicate she planned to be alone.

4. If a previous accident happened as the PIs theorize, it must have been a single car accident because she was still driving when the second crash happened. The first accident might have been a hit and run striking the rear end of an unattended parked 4x4 pickup that sustained little damage and might not have been reported. The accident may have happened leaving a parking lot.

OBSERVATION: As the time period decreases between the accident and the SBD's arrival, the possibility of another person in the vicinity to pick her up increases. Unless the person arrived at the scene by traveling W/B on Rte 112 or Bradley Hill Road, he would have been traveling E/B on Rte 112 a few minutes behind the SBD and several minutes ahead of Sgt. Smith.

Also, as the time period decreases, the chances that the person who picked her up was the driver of the vehicle damaged in the hit and run increase.

This introduces a new theory. Maura was a victim of road rage. But only if the accident happened no more than a few minutes before FW called 911 at 7:27 pm.

The wider the time gap, the more likely someone not specifically focused on her picked her up. Assuming that person wasn't Joe the Serial Killer, the two most likely outcomes are suicide or she started a new life. Without knowing why she left Amherst and her mental state, I don't believe it's possible to choose between those outcomes.

Mason wrote:

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Scent trails are believed to be composed of microscopic dead skin cells from the outer layer of our skin that continuously fall from our bodies and float to the ground forming an invisible trail in our wake that dogs can detect with their super sensitive sense of smell. Windy conditions spread the trail far and eventually too wide for a dog to follow. Wet conditions suppress the scent. Hot, windy, and dry conditions dissipate a scent trail the fastest and hard surfaces like roads do not retain scent very long. In the road category, a road with high volume traffic traveling at high speeds is least likely to retain a detectable scent trail because vehicles generate high winds that scatter the microscopic dead skin cells far and wide so that no detectable scent trail is present for very long.
Dogs need to be trained and subjected to periodic testing by their handlers to determine how reliably and accurately they follow scent trails. Search and Rescue teams in the Seattle area, which is where I'm from keep records on the training and performance of their scent dogs. I don't know if that was true in this case, but it's another interesting unknown worth checking out.
We would have to know how much traffic passed along Rte 112 during the period from Monday around 7:40 pm until Wednesday when the dog was shown the scent object and commanded to search. Based on what I know, it's possible that a detectable scent trail was present. As with just about every other aspect of this case, I lack sufficient information to confidently form an opinion.
BTW, a glove is an excellent scent object since the dead cellular material accumulates and remains inside the glove. Of course, someone has to wear the glove, or it's worthless.

Thank you for all the information!

Well I do believe when Maura went to Fred's hotel it was indeed Sunday morning.
Why are you sure he didn't see her?
Well Fred seem to believe they did a bag up job
of investigating.
So far we have no clue what time Fred Check out of the hotel pretty simple information to
obtain.
Did Fred's Insurance company send him photos/reports of this accident?
Why did the insurance company take photos of Maura's car Fred most of had insurnace on it.
And gee whiz we can't seem to find a time that
Maura retrieved her phone from Sara's rooom?
Nor a time or place she went to work at the mystery gallary!
Yea Det. Col that's a great investigation there!
Oh gee whiz too bad about the receipt I sure would
like to see that especially since another family
believe Fred didn't have one now you say you do but don't and someone else has it maybe they can help us out with the receipt I'm sure you wouldn't mind asking. Thanks!

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>I have said that the witness is incorrect for saying they saw Maura early Sunday morning. I believe LE should go back and requestion this witness. As I said before that the reciept was no longer in my posession. Some hotels let you stay after 11:00.

White Wash wrote:

Well I do believe when Maura went to Fred's hotel it was indeed Sunday morning.

That it was. Good point. Knowing when Sunday morning the student saw her would be helpful--was it 3 AM Sunday morning, for instance? If it was 10AM Sunday morning, it's less likely it was Maura, because she was with her dad off campus then.

Why did the insurance company take photos of Maura's car Fred most of had insurnace on it.

Insurance companies ALWAYS take photos of damage after an accident, for documenting purposes for filing the claim. If you need a better understanding of that, ask your relatives (you know the ones I mean). They'll give you the skinny on that better than I can. I only know from the receiving end of accidents.:-s

If that's not the question you're asking, please clarify. My White Wash to FireCat dictionary might be incomplete, LOL.

Sorry I should have asked where are the photos Fred's insurance company took since one would
assume he filed a claim the man was willing to
drive within the 100 miles of towing I can't believe he didn't file a claim.
Where is the papers on that?

Sorry FireCat the Uncle's Business is to fix or tow them not insure them if you know what I mean.

I know very few people like myself who photograph
their own accident but as my judges state I am nuts which I'll take over being cluess and mean!

Most likely but we have no comfirmation of times or actual Facts from Amherest do we? Funny eveyone
jumps up and down on certain times but not others!
Interesting!

FireCat wrote:

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That it was. Good point. Knowing when Sunday morning the student saw her would be helpful--was it 3 AM Sunday morning, for instance? If it was 10AM Sunday morning, it's less likely it was Maura, because she was with her dad off campus then.
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Insurance companies ALWAYS take photos of damage after an accident, for documenting purposes for filing the claim. If you need a better understanding of that, ask your relatives (you know the ones I mean). They'll give you the skinny on that better than I can. I only know from the receiving end of accidents.:-s
If that's not the question you're asking, please clarify. My White Wash to FireCat dictionary might be incomplete, LOL.

I read this in an article:

"Sometime between Sunday and Monday morning, she packed up all her belongings in
her dorm room, to include taking all her pictures off the walls, taking
everything out of her bureaus,[and] put them all in boxes [and] left [them] on
her bed," Scarinza told WCVB-TV, "[She] left a personal note to her boyfriend on
top of the boxes."

Does any one have any idea what the 'note' said?

truth wrote:

I read this in an article:
"Sometime between Sunday and Monday morning, she packed up all her belongings in
her dorm room, to include taking all her pictures off the walls, taking
everything out of her bureaus,[and] put them all in boxes [and] left [them] on
her bed," Scarinza told WCVB-TV, "[She] left a personal note to her boyfriend on
top of the boxes."
Does any one have any idea what the 'note' said?

This is not true at least that is what everyone on this forum is saying.

Sara wrote:

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This is not true at least that is what everyone on this forum is saying.

Not everyone. It is near impossible to know what is true and what is not anymore. There have been so many things that have come to light after either being denied or stated as fact for almost 5 years and then brought up again only to have the opposite said about these same facts and or denials.

White Wash wrote:

Sorry I should have asked where are the photos Fred's insurance company took since one would
assume he filed a claim the man was willing to
drive within the 100 miles of towing I can't believe he didn't file a claim.
Where is the papers on that?
Sorry FireCat the Uncle's Business is to fix or tow them not insure them if you know what I mean.
I know very few people like myself who photograph
their own accident but as my judges state I am nuts which I'll take over being cluess and mean!
Most likely but we have no comfirmation of times or actual Facts from Amherest do we? Funny eveyone
jumps up and down on certain times but not others!
Interesting!
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Yeah, but I'd kind of assumed he's had dealings with insurance folks. Dunno--maybe that's just body work people and I don't know what sorts of stuff he does.

I don't think there had been an accident that caused the Saturn to not run well over Christmas. I think it was engine trouble--family said it was running on three cylinders. So there were no photos necessary, no insurance claim or anything, when the car was driven to within 100 miles of Amherst for towing. Is that what you're asking, or am I confused again?

truth wrote:

I read this in an article:
"Sometime between Sunday and Monday morning, she packed up all her belongings in
her dorm room, to include taking all her pictures off the walls, taking
everything out of her bureaus,[and] put them all in boxes [and] left [them] on
her bed," Scarinza told WCVB-TV, "[She] left a personal note to her boyfriend on
top of the boxes."
Does any one have any idea what the 'note' said?

This was later redacted (either in teeny tiny print or verbally at a press release) by the officer who said it originally. There was regular mail FROM Billy TO Maura--just love letters and stuff.

THERE WAS NO NOTE FROM MAURA TO BILLY. That is absolutely false information.

FireCat wrote:

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This was later redacted (either in teeny tiny print or verbally at a press release) by the officer who said it originally. There was regular mail FROM Billy TO Maura--just love letters and stuff.
THERE WAS NO NOTE FROM MAURA TO BILLY. That is absolutely false information.

Thanks FireCat.
Were Maura's belongings recently packed or just never unpacked from the retrun from break?

I went to UMass and always had help bringing up boxes to m dorm room by family and/or firends.

It could be significant either way. Why never unpack or why suddenly pack.

truth wrote:

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Thanks FireCat.
Were Maura's belongings recently packed or just never unpacked from the retrun from break?
I went to UMass and always had help bringing up boxes to m dorm room by family and/or firends.
It could be significant either way. Why never unpack or why suddenly pack.

No one can seem to say for sure what the deal was with packed up boxes. Some say she had just moved to that dorm and had not unpacked, some say she had always been in that dorm, some say she never unpacked that dorm in the first place and lived somewhere else off-campus, and still others say she had just packed up belongings before she left Amherst.

Sara wrote:

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No one can seem to say for sure what the deal was with packed up boxes. Some say she had just moved to that dorm and had not unpacked, some say she had always been in that dorm, some say she never unpacked that dorm in the first place and lived somewhere else off-campus, and still others say she had just packed up belongings before she left Amherst.

Any family or friends help her bring belongings to her room after returning from the winter break?

If so, perhaps they know what was in boxes at that time and what conditiona the room was in.

Also, the night of the distrubing phone call it was reported thet Marua was escorted to her dorm room by her supervisor. If she left some time after to sleep elsewhere wouldnt the main door record her leaving?

truth wrote:

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Any family or friends help her bring belongings to her room after returning from the winter break?
If so, perhaps they know what was in boxes at that time and what conditiona the room was in.
Also, the night of the distrubing phone call it was reported thet Marua was escorted to her dorm room by her supervisor. If she left some time after to sleep elsewhere wouldnt the main door record her leaving?

As far as I have read, nobody helped her take in belongings after break. Some people think that her car was never even fully unpacked after break due to some of the things in it that she was given for x-mas. Don't know anything as far as if the campus had cameras at that time. But her supervisor did offer to go into her dorm and Maura told her no because she did not want to wake her roommate, which she did not have a roommate.

Sara wrote:

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As far as I have read, nobody helped her take in belongings after break. Some people think that her car was never even fully unpacked after break due to some of the things in it that she was given for x-mas. Don't know anything as far as if the campus had cameras at that time. But her supervisor did offer to go into her dorm and Maura told her no because she did not want to wake her roommate, which she did not have a roommate.

So, why lie to the supervisor about the roomate?
Perhaps to get out of work... therefore maybe the disturbing phone call was not so disturbing.

Same thing happen to me in 1985. What did this guy look like? Do you know his age or anything about him? Thank god you survived.

jmlh wrote:

Greetings; I have just spent a good part of my weekend reading these posts. I found this page while I was looking for unsolved murders in the river valley..There are some pretty good ideas here and some real crazy crap..I need to get this info off my chest..
In Aug 1988 I was walking along 302 in Fryeburg Maine (NH border) when I was offered a ride by a man that SEEMED nice enough.I was 22 and naive. To make a long story short, I was beaten and sexually assaulted and left in the woods to rot.
Luckily We have an excellent police force and the man was apprehended a week later. The man called himself the Interstate Man and kept notebooks describing kidnappings and murders all over the US.He claimed involvement in over 30 murders. The police also found quite a collection of knives. The man said that a "force" would come over him and he wanted to be put away so he wouldn't be able to continue. He pleaded guilty to his charges..was sentenced to 20 years,but was out by July of 99. In May of 05 he was apprehended for driving a getaway vehicle of a bank robbery. He'll be out in '09. SOMEONE has got to look into those notebooks and find out if he really WAS involved or if he was just a wannabee. I know this about finding Maura..He was out of jail when she disappeared..Also, Jane Barowski was attacked ONE week before me and he was working in NH at the time. His name was Lovie Lee Riddle Jr. AKA Louie,aka Howard, aka Bear. I have not written any info on this post that cannot be found in newspaper archive. Thanks for letting me vent and my prayers go out to ALL families trying to find answers in this all too often screwed up world.
PS. I have the newspaper clippings where he described many of events.