Where is MAURA MURRAY

Beagle wrote:

Just to get Louise Chaput out of the way... There is good reason to believe that she was killed by someone involved in the Bish disappearance.

Sorry, I should phrased this differently, but getting Louise Chaput out of the way is what I believe most likely to have happened. Maybe not, but her age and destination indicate more that she was meeting someone there. I believe there is an excellent chance she was meeting, knowingly or unknowingly, someone involved in the Bish disappearance.

Fair warning: Here's one thing that will probably frustrate more people than anything else, but if you identify the place where Bish's remains were found and you look at how they may have arrived there, you should come up with two or three potential leads. It's very labor-intensive and requires some painstaking and careful research, but it's there.

I'm not saying it's definitely the solution to either the Murray or Bish cases, but after 5 or 8 years, there's not much to lose by checking it out. If you think this suggestion is diversionary, don't bother.

The only hitch is that it may require believing that someone found Bish financially attractive enough to abduct. Not just superficially attractive.

It's the 21st century.

Snowy White wrote:

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Interesting. Is this absolutely true, L4aM? A fact?
Mason's post at #12519 suggests time away from school with the formal transfer made in the fall.
It is extremely difficult to transfer mid-year, given the social, academic (course sequencing), financial and logical consequences of such a move.
Monies are usually forfeited from the original institution, and the student most often cannot be easily accommodated mid-year.
If L4M is correct, then there was, indeed, a compelling reason to leave WP and jump into a very difficult and stressful transfer situation.

My post was a best guess based on the point you made about the difficulty transferring from one school to another at mid-year. Looks to me like L4M has the answer.

Beagle wrote:

Regarding the connections between the Sinclair and Murray disappearances...
First, the connections, in the usual sense, are limited. Tina Sinclair worked in Amherst, as something of a PCA, LPN, something like that. I believe I read a post somewhere that indicated the person for whom Tina worked was relatively prominent or rich or notorious or something like that. I think the post read, in effect, "Yeah, and you wouldn't believe who she worked for." If you've spent much time in the Amherst area, one person automatically comes to the mind. Not that it couldn't have been a few other people, but there is one person who kind of stands out. Whether the post was true, or even correctly understood by me, I cannot say. But overall, it does support the notion of a connection that consists of health care, alternative health care, nutritional supplements, medical research (especially medical research) and so on.
There are other connections between the Murray and Sinclair cases that cannot be discussed on this thread because their discovery and corroboration involve a local understanding of some of the circumstances.
The advantage of looking at, say, a half dozen potentially related cases is that while there may not be much of a connection between case A and case B, for example, there maybe a bunch of strong connection between cases A and C and cases B and C. Which obviously means that there may be substantial connections between cases A and B.
Sometimes connections must be inferred. It's kind of like inferring that a distant star exists. You may not be able to directly view the star, but you can know what is uniquely occurring around it.
Sometimes two cases don't appear to have much in common directly with each other, but they each have a lot in common with a mutually connected case. And that can be plenty enough to work with. I think this is the situation in the Sinclair and Chaput cases.
Sorry, wish I could say more about it, but this thread is not the place for it. If I think of other things, I'll gladly share them.

Alden, Tina Sinclair was a hair stylist and worked locally. Amherst is about 50 miles from Chesterfield, NH. which is where she lived.

Back to the Pioneer Valley Joint Terrorism Task Force (PVJTTF).

I'm sure there's lots for PVJTTF to legitimately protect at UMass.

But the work of anti-terrorism is not just REactive, it's also very PRO-active. Units like PVJTTF protect the work of research that is considered vital to the national security interests of the U.S. and its allies.

Take the work of Professors Barbara Osborn and Richard Goldsby (married to each other). Both are basically biological researchers and teachers - Osborn at UMass, Goldsby at Amherst College.(Goldsby also is or was on the board at Woods Hole Oceangraphic Institute, aka Limulus House). And both, thanks to their research and business opportunities, have fattened their wallets considerably, especially since 9/11. Their company, Hematech, for example, which is jointly based in Sioux Falls, SD and Westport, CT, was purchased by Bioport in 1998. Bioport, now known as Emergent Biosolutions, is the only company that produces a vaccine against Anthrax poisoning. The ONLY company.(It was this company, Bioport or Emergent Biosolutions, that Dr. Bruce Ivins was associated with.)

Hematech, according to press releases and various government documents, performs research on a biological defense, such as a vaccine, against neuro-toxins, like botulism.

Federal rules laid down by President G.W. Bush prevent the use of embryonic stem cells in federally funded research, even research into vaccines that could defend the country against a bio-terror event.

But that doesn't stop Professor Osborn from having substantial financial relations with Advanced Cell Technology, the company to first clone a human emybryo.

ESCR is considered, especially by those in the military and at DoD, as the best basis on which to develop good vaccines. And businesses associated with Uniroyal agree. Which is why companies like Loeb Partners has sunk so much money into ESCR.

To people on these anti-terrorism task forces, anyone who questions the Patriot Act or who questions DoD related university research becomes at least a little suspicious. This is not a conspiracy theory point of view, it's historical fact.

If a company like ACT were to benefit, directly or indirectly, by the acqusition of tissue or organs from, say, a young runner, then UMass PD, trumped by the PVJTTF, might be a little slow, to put it nicely, about investigating a certain disappearance.

Because if it ever came out that some idiot at the bottom of the tissue acqusition ladder went over the top in acquiring human tissue, it would stop a lot of federally funded research in its tracks.

What business executive at the top of an important medical research company, or a major investor in that company, would not want to cover up the murder of someone whose tissue was acquired and used to research the creation of a vaccine against anthrax, or botulism, or smallpox?

The above, while not an extreme scenario, is probably a little unlikely, but it does illustrate why an investigation into Maura Murray's disappearance by the FBI and the UMass PD may be taking a while. There may be other factors involved that are embarrassing to some within UMass.

Beagle wrote:

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Sorry, I should phrased this differently, but getting Louise Chaput out of the way is what I believe most likely to have happened. Maybe not, but her age and destination indicate more that she was meeting someone there. I believe there is an excellent chance she was meeting, knowingly or unknowingly, someone involved in the Bish disappearance.

I should add that I think Chaput may have been in Jackson, NH to deliver, pickup, or discuss a substance that would be smuggled across the U.S. Canadian border. I believe that this substance may have been destined for or came from a location on the Gaspe Penninsula.

I read she had a client in the Amherst area. Possibly on JM Road?

FireCat wrote:

Ye of many ooo's and OOOO's:
Though not officially engaged yet, he said it was clear to everyone the couple planned to marry, and he was going to get out of the service so they could start a family.
New Hampshire State Police let family members retrieve Maura's belongings from the Saturn.
reported in (and quoted from) Valley News 2.19.04
...and....
Rausch said he flew out first thing Wednesday morning. When asked how he is connected to Maura, he said, "Well, her father didn't know this, but we are engaged to be engaged."
reported in (and quoted from) Caledonian Record 2.13.04
That's what I've been able to find so far today. I'm still searching for the particular discussion of the wedding for fall of 2005. I remember that date very clearly, because I just saw the correspondence within the past couple of days. Thanks for your patience.

Thanks. I'm anxious to see what you come up with in regards to the fall wedding. That's quite a jump from engaged to be engaged.

Off topic a little, but on MLK Day, I just want to congratulate those victims of Bull Connor's Birmingham PD for making the trip to the DC Inauguration.

I have never been so moved by a museum exhibit as I was by the one at the Civil Rigths Museum in Birmingham, AL a few years ago.

But I was far more moved, converted really, when I walked over and visited the 16th St. Baptist Church.

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FROM WIKIPEDIA:

Robert Chambliss was initially charged with the murders, but there was no conviction at first. Other perpetrators were identified but evidence was weak. Chambliss was convicted of having 122 sticks of dynamite without a permit. Years later investigation found that the FBI had accumulated evidence against the bombers which had not been revealed to the prosecutors, by order of FBI director J. Edgar Hoover. They were not all arrested until 45 years after the bombing.

In 1978, Alabama Attorney-General Bill Baxley successfully prosecuted Chambliss. He was convicted of the four murders and sentenced to several terms of life imprisonment. Chambliss died in prison in 1985.

After reopening the case several times, the FBI in 2000 assisted the state authorities in bringing charges against Bobby Frank Cherry and Thomas Blanton. Blanton and Cherry were convicted by state juries of all four murders and sentenced to life in prison. Though Cherry publicly denied involvement, relatives and friends testified that he "bragged" about being part of the bombing, and his ex-wife testified, "He said he lit the fuse."

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The FBI didn't kill those four girls, but the FBI did kill justice. For decades. And the FBI has not stopped since.

Beagle wrote:

Off topic a little, but...

lol!

In Donna Palomba’s article that Beagle linked to in message #12725, at page 632, she said, "Then, on Halloween night 2005, Regan struck again. He was in Saratoga Springs, New York, lurking in the parking lot of the local high school, waiting for his victim to finish practice. As a 17 year-old cross-country track star walked toward her car in the parking lot, Regan grabbed her about the mouth and torso and tried to pull her into his van where the backseat had been taken out and inside lay a tarp, noose and shovel. She bit, screamed and kicked. Bracing one foot against his van, she used the leverage to break free."

The description of Regan's apparent preparation to abduct the girl reminded me of what a police officer discovered when he arrested Ted Bundy in Salt Lake City, Utah, on August 16, 1975. The officer, who was patrolling a residential area after dark, saw a VW Beetle proceeding very slowly, as if the driver was casing the neighborhood for a house to burglarize. Bundy had removed the back seat from his VW and he had a ski mask, a crowbar, handcuffs, trash bags, an ice-pick, and other items that the officer mistakenly believed to be burglary tools. Bundy admitted several years later that he used the crowbar to knock his victims unconscious. Then he applied the handcuffs, had intercourse, and strangled them manually.

I wonder if Regan is a serial killer. Unless he removed a back seat and placed the noose, shovel, and tarp in the van for some other purpose, which seems unlikely, it looks like he may have borrowed and improved on some ideas from Bundy and Gary Ridgway, the Green River Killer.

The presence of the noose, tarp, and shovel may indicate a specific plan to kill a victim and dispose of her body in a manner that maximizes the possibility that the body will not be found, but if it is, a forensic pathologist will not be able to determine the cause of death.

The noose may indicate intent to asphyxiate the victim without breaking the hyoid bone in the throat (a broken hyoid bone indicates asphyxiation by applying uneven pressure to the victim's neck to obstruct the airway as is typical of manual strangulation). A ligature applies even pressure that obstructs the airway without fracturing the hyoid bone. By using a ligature, a killer can eliminate the possibility that a forensic pathologist will conclude that the cause of death was asphyxiation -- so long as no soft tissue remains in the throat area. Ridgway used ligatures exclusively; Bundy left a trail of fractured skulls and broken hyoid bones.

The shovel may indicate intent to bury a victim. Buried bodies are less likely to be found than an unburied body, of course, and, as long as the burial is shallow, the body still will be reduced to a skeleton eliminating incriminating DNA evidence and frustrating the effort to determine a cause of death. Bundy and Ridgway did not bury bodies. Ridgway’s DNA on a victim’s vaginal swab led to his conviction.

The tarp may indicate intent to conceal a body as well as a way to drag it instead of carrying it. Ridgway used a tarp for those purposes.

I don't know much about Regan, but for the reasons I've suggested, I believe LE should study his past carefully. I'd like to know where he was between 7 and 8 pm on Monday, February 9, 2004. I don't believe he was in jail.

Mason wrote:

In Donna Palomba’s article that Beagle linked to in message #12725, at page 632, she said, "Then, on Halloween night 2005, Regan struck again. He was in Saratoga Springs, New York, lurking in the parking lot of the local high school, waiting for his victim to finish practice. As a 17 year-old cross-country track star walked toward her car in the parking lot, Regan grabbed her about the mouth and torso and tried to pull her into his van where the backseat had been taken out and inside lay a tarp, noose and shovel. She bit, screamed and kicked. Bracing one foot against his van, she used the leverage to break free."
The description of Regan's apparent preparation to abduct the girl reminded me of what a police officer discovered when he arrested Ted Bundy in Salt Lake City, Utah, on August 16, 1975. The officer, who was patrolling a residential area after dark, saw a VW Beetle proceeding very slowly, as if the driver was casing the neighborhood for a house to burglarize. Bundy had removed the back seat from his VW and he had a ski mask, a crowbar, handcuffs, trash bags, an ice-pick, and other items that the officer mistakenly believed to be burglary tools. Bundy admitted several years later that he used the crowbar to knock his victims unconscious. Then he applied the handcuffs, had intercourse, and strangled them manually.
I wonder if Regan is a serial killer. Unless he removed a back seat and placed the noose, shovel, and tarp in the van for some other purpose, which seems unlikely, it looks like he may have borrowed and improved on some ideas from Bundy and Gary Ridgway, the Green River Killer.
The presence of the noose, tarp, and shovel may indicate a specific plan to kill a victim and dispose of her body in a manner that maximizes the possibility that the body will not be found, but if it is, a forensic pathologist will not be able to determine the cause of death.
The noose may indicate intent to asphyxiate the victim without breaking the hyoid bone in the throat (a broken hyoid bone indicates asphyxiation by applying uneven pressure to the victim's neck to obstruct the airway as is typical of manual strangulation). A ligature applies even pressure that obstructs the airway without fracturing the hyoid bone. By using a ligature, a killer can eliminate the possibility that a forensic pathologist will conclude that the cause of death was asphyxiation -- so long as no soft tissue remains in the throat area. Ridgway used ligatures exclusively; Bundy left a trail of fractured skulls and broken hyoid bones.
The shovel may indicate intent to bury a victim. Buried bodies are less likely to be found than an unburied body, of course, and, as long as the burial is shallow, the body still will be reduced to a skeleton eliminating incriminating DNA evidence and frustrating the effort to determine a cause of death. Bundy and Ridgway did not bury bodies. Ridgway’s DNA on a victim’s vaginal swab led to his conviction.
The tarp may indicate intent to conceal a body as well as a way to drag it instead of carrying it. Ridgway used a tarp for those purposes.
I don't know much about Regan, but for the reasons I've suggested, I believe LE should study his past carefully. I'd like to know where he was between 7 and 8 pm on Monday, February 9, 2004. I don't believe he was in jail.

Mason's above post represents a crude attempt to twist the truth and simply to lie to the readers of this thread. Mason's overall notion is false.

What a lawyer!

Oh many one

Please explain what is the connection with where the Bish remains were found.

Mason wrote:

In Donna Palomba’s article that Beagle linked to in message #12725, at page 632, she said, "Then, on Halloween night 2005, Regan struck again. He was in Saratoga Springs, New York, lurking in the parking lot of the local high school, waiting for his victim to finish practice. As a 17 year-old cross-country track star walked toward her car in the parking lot, Regan grabbed her about the mouth and torso and tried to pull her into his van where the backseat had been taken out and inside lay a tarp, noose and shovel. She bit, screamed and kicked. Bracing one foot against his van, she used the leverage to break free."
The description of Regan's apparent preparation to abduct the girl reminded me of what a police officer discovered when he arrested Ted Bundy in Salt Lake City, Utah, on August 16, 1975. The officer, who was patrolling a residential area after dark, saw a VW Beetle proceeding very slowly, as if the driver was casing the neighborhood for a house to burglarize. Bundy had removed the back seat from his VW and he had a ski mask, a crowbar, handcuffs, trash bags, an ice-pick, and other items that the officer mistakenly believed to be burglary tools. Bundy admitted several years later that he used the crowbar to knock his victims unconscious. Then he applied the handcuffs, had intercourse, and strangled them manually.
I wonder if Regan is a serial killer. Unless he removed a back seat and placed the noose, shovel, and tarp in the van for some other purpose, which seems unlikely, it looks like he may have borrowed and improved on some ideas from Bundy and Gary Ridgway, the Green River Killer.
The presence of the noose, tarp, and shovel may indicate a specific plan to kill a victim and dispose of her body in a manner that maximizes the possibility that the body will not be found, but if it is, a forensic pathologist will not be able to determine the cause of death.
The noose may indicate intent to asphyxiate the victim without breaking the hyoid bone in the throat (a broken hyoid bone indicates asphyxiation by applying uneven pressure to the victim's neck to obstruct the airway as is typical of manual strangulation). A ligature applies even pressure that obstructs the airway without fracturing the hyoid bone. By using a ligature, a killer can eliminate the possibility that a forensic pathologist will conclude that the cause of death was asphyxiation -- so long as no soft tissue remains in the throat area. Ridgway used ligatures exclusively; Bundy left a trail of fractured skulls and broken hyoid bones.
The shovel may indicate intent to bury a victim. Buried bodies are less likely to be found than an unburied body, of course, and, as long as the burial is shallow, the body still will be reduced to a skeleton eliminating incriminating DNA evidence and frustrating the effort to determine a cause of death. Bundy and Ridgway did not bury bodies. Ridgway’s DNA on a victim’s vaginal swab led to his conviction.
The tarp may indicate intent to conceal a body as well as a way to drag it instead of carrying it. Ridgway used a tarp for those purposes.
I don't know much about Regan, but for the reasons I've suggested, I believe LE should study his past carefully. I'd like to know where he was between 7 and 8 pm on Monday, February 9, 2004. I don't believe he was in jail.

This is deliberate spin, total garbage. Not one real world contractor would ever agree with what Mason wrote.

Dawn wrote:

Oh many one
Please explain what is the connection with where the Bish remains were found.

This is typical of the vast majority of posters on this board. It's all "gimme, gimme, gimme." It's all, "Give me the answer. Post it on this thread. Give me the answer."

Almost no posters on this thread go out and find new information.

Why is that?

If you all are so devoted to finding Maura Murray, why is that you do so little to find her?

Talk about a hidden agenda!!!

Oh many one -
Not being from the area - I did look it up and it makes no sense to me. I do not see a connection. I get lost in the riddles. So I thought I would go straight to thw source and simply ask. I know not to do that again.

Good night everyone 22 days and it will be 5 years.......... heartbreaking!!

Beagle...

PLEASE...show me the connection between Molly Bish and Louise Chaput. How are you to conclude that these 2 cases are connected. The circumstances are totally different. The Chaput case does not fit the MO of the Bish, Perainen or other cases in Massachusetts.

Columbo

Beagle wrote:

My core group, so to speak, of the missing consists of Bish, Murray, and the Saratoga Springs High School student (SSHSstu). Obviously, SSHSstu is not missing, but I include her because it is believed that she was nearly kidnapped. There is at least one alternative to her having been nearly kidnapped, but for the time being, I go with the notion that Regan intended to abduct her.
I don't put the Sinclairs or Louise Chaput into the core group (although eventually I may) because some of the circumstances and general "properties" of their disappearance are a little different. This doesn't mean I don't think there is a strong and vital connection among all six disappearances, but it's easier to establish a connection for the three core victims that have the most common properties than it is to go too far afield by adding another three victims. I concentrate on the core group, but the secondary group is not far behind.
Just to get Louise Chaput out of the way... There is good reason to believe that she was killed by someone involved in the Bish disappearance.
(NOTE: Sometimes I say disappearance and sometimes abduction. Although I have been told by someone who worked on the Bish case that she was murdered, and although the Warren MA PD website claims she was murdered, I'm not sure Bish was officially declared a homicide victim. Maybe she was, but after all, only a few scattered bones were found in the woods. If these few bones provided proof or even strong indication of murder, then I've overlooked that claim. So, to be narrowly correct, she disappeared. Little to nothing more than that is known by the public. Realistically, she almost certainly died due to some kind of criminal activity, but it may not have been murder. It may have been manslaughter.
More on the subject in a following post.

beagle

Bet the RCMP or local police have information in Sherbrooke regarding Louise Chaput. Do not forget there were 3 other murders in Sherbrooke, all were found face down in a brook, like Pauline Clark. The three women were found in relative close proximity to one another. One a student,
Theresa Allure may have her name mispelled.

Was not Molly's body found 5 miles away in the woods from where she worked?

Was not Chaput found a quarter mile on a Trail near Franconia Notch, or close by?

Silkyboxer made a map of murdered and missing people from the area, there are oodles of cases
similar to Maura's that remain unsolved.

The two resent cases in New Hampshire one woman murdered and another missing is also worthy of investigation, and of course Brianna Maitland from Vermont.

holy roller wrote:

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Yeah, maybe it wasn't about being a military wife, maybe she just didn't want to marry Billy.

Holy Roller:
Maura did want to marry Billy. We will take Billy's word and Sharon's word in the matter,
and I suggest you do as well. If you are going to
spin things on a dime that she had a new armour, then you will have to provide proof, and there is none because there is not an inkling of proof that Maura and Billy were unhappy with one another or an iota of proof Maura was interested in anyone else.

Good luck with that quest.
peri