Where is MAURA MURRAY

Speculating here:

Perhaps the reason for Maura's departure from WP, came back to haunt her, with the announcement of Rumsfled, on Thurday the 5th ( brought on an attack of post trumatic stress disorder) or that SOMEONE was calling and harrassing her prior to her departure from West Point?

One decision seems to have been made by Maura, it did not appear like she had plans to return to live in the dorm, although no apparent plans to discontinue her studies seem to have been made, as she was working on a project the day she disappeared.

Don't know, didn't ask for futher details regarding WP, as these details are off limits, due to possible evidentiary reasons and that the information is in the hands of the military and hopefully law enforcement where it should remain)
I see a possibilities for litigation on Maura's part if she was unfaily or erroneously asked to leave WP, or if she was being harrassed.

It is not difficult to imagaine Rumsfeld announcement of the investigation of sexual assaults and harrassments allegations in the military on Feb. 05th, Thursday; that the defendants of these complaints must have been very unsettled and worried for their futures.


Many in the rank and file of the military who were involved in these assaults, cover-ups and supression had much to fear, rank, status, dishonourable discharge, loss of pension, time in prison. Bascially for those involved, they had every reason in the world to have the investigation stymied, supressed and reason to want the evidence to go away.

Knowing what I know now, Maura's decision to head North for relaxation and the fact that this was a secret make absolute sense.

If someone was harrassing Maura, the question then becomes, did they follow her, lay an ambush, pay a third party for her silence, or simply scare the bejesus out of her and caused her to flee.

No matter what scenario one weaves of possibilities, the investigation of Maura's disappearance is concentrated in Haverhill, if and how past events are related to what happened there, is a quantum leap and can't connect any dots. It seems a rather cruel irony is if Maura fled due to fear, only to meet somebody more scary in Haverhill unless the same boggie-man was followed her North.

Boggles the mind and disturbes the soul.

above post first sentence should read, harrassing Maura prior to her departure from Amherst...sorry

http://www.dod.mil/dodgc/olc/docs/test04-02-2...

http://new.vawnet.org/Assoc_Files_VAWnet/Task...

http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...

the last url is very interesting, it sites reports by victims....

if urls do not come up, google sexual assaults WP 2000-2002 or 2004

just checked the urls work, there is allot more on line re: under search engines...

peripeteia wrote:

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Holy Roller:
Maura did want to marry Billy. We will take Billy's word and Sharon's word in the matter,
and I suggest you do as well. If you are going to
spin things on a dime that she had a new armour, then you will have to provide proof, and there is none because there is not an inkling of proof that Maura and Billy were unhappy with one another or an iota of proof Maura was interested in anyone else.
Good luck with that quest.
peri

Are you joking? Are you trying to hypnotize us or something? You say "We will take Billy's word and Sharon's word in the matter, and I suggest you do as well." as if you can make all the decisions regarding what people believe. You are foolish. You say "We" as if you can speak for everyone. I didn't spin anything on a dime, you hypocrite. You treat these "visions" you have as some kind of fact, and suggest people to go searching these areas for a body, but when someone says that "maybe Maura didn't want to marry Billy" you say I am contorting facts or whatever. Get a clue. You post the most ridiculous garbage and claim people can take it for "what it's worth" and then you criticize me for saying things that are a hundred trillion times more probable than your "visions". Boo Hoo.

peripeteia wrote:

Knowing what I know now, Maura's decision to head North for relaxation and the fact that this was a secret make absolute sense.

What do you know Peri? If you know something, maybe you should go tell the authorities since you have absolute trust in them. How do you even know that Maura made any "decision to head North"? You don't, so stop spinning things on a dime.

Is it possible Maura had to leave WP because of her relationship with Billy?

"There are rules about dating. Freshmen can't fraternize with older students, and if a person of the opposite sex visits your room, your door must be open to 90 degrees, and you cannot sit on the same surface. Getting caught having sex in the barracks means automatic dismissal from West Point."
http://www.usma.edu/dcomm/directorscorner/lex...

Moments away from our next President

Detective Columbo wrote:

Beagle...
PLEASE...show me the connection between Molly Bish and Louise Chaput. How are you to conclude that these 2 cases are connected. The circumstances are totally different. The Chaput case does not fit the MO of the Bish, Perainen or other cases in Massachusetts.
Columbo

That's like saying the MO in the case of a murdered drug dealer doesn't fit the MO in the case of drugs stolen from the murdered dealer a year before he was killed. Apples and oranges.

It's a little like Chaput was the victim of a drug deal gone bad (or maybe of roid rage) and Bish was regarded as a commodity, like drugs, to be stolen and resold. Two different methods.

In any event, I specifically do not CONCLUDE that the Bish and Chaput cases are connected. I only believe that there is good reason for LE or PI's to look into it further. I'm not a detective. It's not my job to take it to the next level.

Unfortunately, there is no way to know that an online username such as Detective Columbo directly and exclusively corresponds to a real licensed private detective who is, with the most honest intentions, trying to discover how and why Maura Murray disappeared.

You seem already convinced that the Bish and Chaput cases cannot possibly be related to each other. And you already know I won't try to change your mind by posting anything on this board. You will only meet people at Dunkin' Donuts in Woodsville in February, which is saying you won't be discussing anything truly substantial. It's not the place for it.

If you are interested in the Bish case, then presumably you believe it is or could be or want it to be related to the Murray case. But if you believe there is a connection between the Bish and Murray cases, then it's obviously a specific connection that would be challenged by a connection between the Bish and Chaput cases.

You and I both might believe that the Bish and Murray cases could be realistically connected, but we may have mutually exclusive reasons for a such a connection.

Frankly, you don't trust me and I don't trust you. I don't see that changing any time soon.

Beagle writes:
"Unfortunately, there is no way to know that an online username such as Detective Columbo directly and exclusively corresponds to a real licensed private detective who is, with the most honest intentions, trying to discover how and why Maura Murray disappeared."

Likewise, there is absolutely NO verification as to claims of professional affiliations made by the individual(s) identified by many and various aliases.
None.

Do we have an article or something that states that the officer mentioned the alcohol missing ? I looked back at the articles I saved and I can't find it. I do find that info very concerning......... especially since H1 fits the size of vehicle for her car to go under. Also - the info from the link yesterday - where her family member mentions the dent in the hood. I never noticed that before - in the center. I am not able to enlarge the photo on my pc.

I have to question one's intentions when there is all this consiracy and malice here. It does not help find Maura - we are seeking the truth. Wonder where Weeper is? Would love an update.

Snowy White wrote:

Beagle writes:
"Unfortunately, there is no way to know that an online username such as Detective Columbo directly and exclusively corresponds to a real licensed private detective who is, with the most honest intentions, trying to discover how and why Maura Murray disappeared."
Likewise, there is absolutely NO verification as to claims of professional affiliations made by the individual(s) identified by many and various aliases.
None.

Sorry if I'm unclear, but what does "NO verification as to claims of professional affiliations made by the individual(s) identified by many and various aliases" mean? Thank you.

Dawn, you have no reason to believe me...but...
The Maura Forum started in November 2004. I didn't join up, so to speak, until the Spring of
2005. At that time nearly every Post was about
just that evening..those few hours when Maura disappeared. It was all about what West....s,
SBD, CS said. The words "some of the alcohol
was missing" was said by CS to Sharon...? I am
hoping that someone else who was here for the first Forum can help my memory. It has been a
subject of many discussions all these years.
Also, he said that the rag in tailpipe was something they do in Massachusetts. SBD was talking to Sharon and hummed the tune "Twilight
Zone"...

Helena started the 2nd MMM Forum around October 2006, and all was lost of first Forum...unless..
unless she saved...OR..computer savvy folks saved...OR those better at saving notes.

As I said, you don't have to believe me...but,
Sharon, if she were still here..would vouch.

There is no conspiracy in my mind. I wouldn't know how...Besides, spending time with Citigirl,
Sukxx, Norma, Fred and Helena etc...I wouldn't dare. We are friends. They know where I live ;-]

Snowy White wrote:

Beagle writes:
"Unfortunately, there is no way to know that an online username such as Detective Columbo directly and exclusively corresponds to a real licensed private detective who is, with the most honest intentions, trying to discover how and why Maura Murray disappeared."
Likewise, there is absolutely NO verification as to claims of professional affiliations made by the individual(s) identified by many and various aliases.
None.

I could claim, in a Topix thread like this, that I have a Ph.D. in chemistry from MIT. I could claim that I am the ghost of Abraham Lincoln. I could claim I am Jesus Christ. There would obviously be no reason to believe these claims are true. They are claims of credentials, of identity, which are different from claims of knowledge.

Detective Columbo, as an online persona, could be, in real life, a teenager from Tasmania. After all, he (or she) does use the name of a fictional character from an old TV series.

But it's a moot point now. Detective Columbo is free, like everyone else to write and believe what he wants. And so is everyone else.

Shack - thanks for clarifying. wow. The twilight zone.. the rag in the pipe has always bothered me too. I am always glad when Citigirl shows up. I was not talking about you and the conspiracy - I think we all know what I was referring too. :-) The gimme gimme ... I have done things to try to help. It looks like a radio station here is going to feature maura and i have permission to play jenni's sont. I will let you all know the time and station so you can stream over the internet

Dawn wrote:

Wonder where Weeper is?

P-town?

AND, Det.C....IS exactly as he says he is.
Det.C has a real name just as we all do.
His real name as well as his body and mind has
been with the very real Murray family since the
very beginning. Det.C was with the First Forum,
as well as the 2nd Forum. And, now he is here.
He is a friend of the distraught Murray family. He is what a friend should be.
Det.C was here and with the family lonnnnng
before the......(fill in your words) arrived.

Alden-
You can do better than that - not much of a riddle.

Shack
Do they still do a prayer vigil there on the 9th? Will they change the ribbon - can't imagine a parents nightmare to have to do that 5 years in a row.......... heartbreaking