Where is MAURA MURRAY

I just found out this board started in June 08.......... I thought this was up and running since she went missing......... I am really shocked at all the negative comments about her family ( dad - sister) from new posters...... what in the heck ??... they weren't at the searches - they dont know the family..

I don't know them either - I give them the benefit of the doubt. I really wish others would try to get exposure for the family. We never know who could come forward. Last time I said this - specific people said not to....... Why ? look at elizabeth smart etc.. the more people know - the more accountable people need to be.. the 9th is soon.. do your part.

Dawn wrote:

I don't know them either - I give them the benefit of the doubt. I really wish others would try to get exposure for the family. We never know who could come forward. Last time I said this - specific people said not to....... Why ? look at elizabeth smart etc.. the more people know - the more accountable people need to be.. the 9th is soon.. do your part.

Dawn with all the different scenerios, ideas, lack of proof and differing statements from many people on this forum do you think it is wise to have so many contacting radio and tv stations with their stories and opinions? Could it do more harm than good to the investigation? Above all does Maura's family want so many strangers giving exposure to them?
I don't know who the specific people were that told you not to do this before but I do understand why they said it.

I do think the family would want exposure. They sent a CD to americas most wanted - so obviously they DID want the exposure. That is about as good as it gets - except running on the evening national news - which it should of.

She vanished without a trace - every 30 seconds someone goes missing.......... with very little clues - lacy peterson ring a bell. That was solved due to publicity - amber frey came forward.

I'm going home......... If it helps find her - that is good. There are plenty of other forums to speculate on. Crimes get solved by - true evidence - we can theorize all day........ does not solve it. We just drag her family and memory though the mud....... regardless I think they suffered enough. Get closure for the family dam* it!!

My question - is do you think her family likes it when people speculate that her dad sexually abused her or her sister is jealous.

That is just hatefull. There is zero proof. What if someone said that about you - if you have a daughter?????????? a child molester. that is horrid. I can't think of a worst nightmare......... except your daughter goes missing without a trace. Sometimes I swear some people need a labotomy on this site. I do NOT get the feeling from most except advocater, shack, elsewhere, anne and the firecat - PI's of course and citigirl... most others want to trash her. I do think actually alden wants to find her.. it is just a around about way.

Sorry Wowzer that was not directed at YOU personally.. I am just frustrated - we have a 5 year anniversary - a milestone - the title is where is maura murray - but I feel that no one really wants to know.. they just have more fun speculating.

Dawn wrote:

I do think the family would want exposure.

You didn't even ask them? That's GENIUS!

Dawn wrote:

I'm going home......... If it helps find her - that is good. There are plenty of other forums to speculate on. Crimes get solved by - true evidence - we can theorize all day........ does not solve it. We just drag her family and memory though the mud....... regardless I think they suffered enough. Get closure for the family dam* it!!

Don't you mean get closer in favor of the family? If were doing for this anyone, isn't it for Maura or at least her memory?

meant closure

Dawn wrote:

Shack
Do they still do a prayer vigil there on the 9th? Will they change the ribbon - can't imagine a parents nightmare to have to do that 5 years in a row.......... heartbreaking

I've been told there is a mass planned at the church in Hanson, MA...I know of nothing planned in Woodsville.

Dawn wrote:

My question - is do you think her family likes it when people speculate that her dad sexually abused her.

Whoa! I wasn't going to go there, but thanks for bringing it up.

Dawn wrote:

I do NOT get the feeling from most except advocater, shack, elsewhere, anne and the firecat - PI's of course and citigirl...

GO TEAM!!!

FI have met some of Maura's family, Fred, Norma, Suki, Kathleen & husband, Kerri; they are a friendly, caring, hard working compassionate family. They have appreciated the work of HPD and the help that many locals have given them. They have appreciated the searches of all. As a group they are kind, thankful and determined. As individuals, they are people whom have lost a member of their family and cannot find her nor what happened to her in Haverhill on February 9, 2004. I do not believe that they as a whole have information they have ever withheld. Maura's parents do not read these forums, for which I am grateful. These days, there is a lot of 'water over the dam' and many untruths or misleading suggested facts. It is possibly improbable to correct all of them. It does not lessen the purpose here to present whatever one may know, or think to know what happened to Maura. Within that vein, I, as most of you ,will continue to present what we know or think.

Dawn wrote:

My question - is do you think her family likes it when people speculate that her dad sexually abused her or her sister is jealous.
That is just hatefull. There is zero proof. What if someone said that about you - if you have a daughter?????????? a child molester. that is horrid. I can't think of a worst nightmare......... except your daughter goes missing without a trace. Sometimes I swear some people need a labotomy on this site. I do NOT get the feeling from most except advocater, shack, elsewhere, anne and the firecat - PI's of course and citigirl... most others want to trash her. I do think actually alden wants to find her.. it is just a around about way.

No I don't think her family likes it and with good reason and I certainly don't agree with many of the nasty things that have been said about her family and the local people. Name calling has never solved anything.
You've got a good heart Dawn. I wasn't knocking your idea. Just wondering if too many telling different things to the media would be contradicting eachothers stories, facts or information.

I meant to say FYI, Helena, citigirl and the rest!

Good heavens wrote:

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Are you joking? Are you trying to hypnotize us or something? You say "We will take Billy's word and Sharon's word in the matter, and I suggest you do as well." as if you can make all the decisions regarding what people believe. You are foolish. You say "We" as if you can speak for everyone. I didn't spin anything on a dime, you hypocrite. You treat these "visions" you have as some kind of fact, and suggest people to go searching these areas for a body, but when someone says that "maybe Maura didn't want to marry Billy" you say I am contorting facts or whatever. Get a clue. You post the most ridiculous garbage and claim people can take it for "what it's worth" and then you criticize me for saying things that are a hundred trillion times more probable than your "visions". Boo Hoo.

The honest part is that when I read the original post that Mastermind here was quoting, I literally said to myself, "Perpetia is making a decent point. But I can see somebody with a thought process as simple as Mastermind, for example, not to be able to understand this." And, as I scroll down a bit further, I see Mastermind ostensibly unable to interpret the point that he was making. Which certainly doesn't surprise me in the least, as Mastermind never can seem to comprehend what the rest of us can.

What the rest of us would ask ourselves, and what "mastermind" failed to ask himself, is, "What motivation would Billy AND Sharon both possibly have to intentionally lie and mislead investigators about Maura's relationship with Billy?"

Possible answers:
(1) Billy and/or Sharon secretly traveled to NH, knowing exactly where Maura was going, the route she was taking, etc. and abducted her without anyone ever knowing.

Unless your name is 'mastermind', or you don't have a very sophisticated mind, this scenario is unlikely for countless reasons.

Other possible reasons for lying are.. what? For arguments sake, lets say that their relationship was going sour and it was a bit rocky. Why would Billy lie about that? Because he wants people to think that he's perfect? Why would Sharon lie about that? Because she wants people to think both her son and Maura are both perfect? If things were bad between them,(assuming he wasn't involved) the first thing Billy would tell them is that his relationship with Maura HAD in fact been sour lately, which would actually give a possible motivation as to where Maura was going and might help solve the investigation. He has NOTHING to hide, even if their relationship was rocky. The exact same thing applies to Sharon. If she was aware that her son and his fiance had not been doing great, she has NO reason to lie about it (unless, again, Billy might be directly involved in her disappearance, which ISN'T LIKELY given he was in OK at the time). It would only significantly help the case, if anything.

THAT, "mastermind", is why Perpetia made that comment that Billy and his Mom are to be trusted with something like that. The thing is, you don't realize that your brain isn't analyzing things correctly. Not everyone in the world is lying within some sort of giant, conspiracy theory, despite your beliefs.

Attempt to explain to me one REASONABLE motive that Billy and his mom would both have to intentionally lie to investigators about something so vital. You're one of these people who believes that the family/friends are in this HUGE, giant conspiracy to make Maura out to be "perfect" and within this conspriacy, Billy and his Mom lied to investigators in an attempt to glorify Maura, right?

For more on "mastermind" AKA 'good heavens', check out the following posts (in this order):

#8222
#8234
#8246
#8268

Decide for yourselves.

Dawn wrote:

Sorry Wowzer that was not directed at YOU personally.. I am just frustrated - we have a 5 year anniversary - a milestone - the title is where is maura murray - but I feel that no one really wants to know.. they just have more fun speculating.

No problem Dawn. I think you're wrong though about no one wanting to know. I think there are many including myself that would very much like to know what happened to Maura.

Dawn wrote:

My question - is do you think her family likes it when people speculate that her dad sexually abused her or her sister is jealous.
That is just hatefull. There is zero proof. What if someone said that about you - if you have a daughter?????????? a child molester. that is horrid. I can't think of a worst nightmare......... except your daughter goes missing without a trace. Sometimes I swear some people need a labotomy on this site. I do NOT get the feeling from most except advocater, shack, elsewhere, anne and the firecat - PI's of course and citigirl... most others want to trash her. I do think actually alden wants to find her.. it is just a around about way.

Bumping for Dawn

Good heavens wrote:

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Don't you mean get closer in favor of the family? If were doing for this anyone, isn't it for Maura or at least her memory?

Actually, with all due respect, working to discover what happened to Maura Murray can be done for her, her memory, her immediate family, her extended family, her friends and other loved ones, and so on. Take your choice. I think there's room for a variety of reasons for wanting closure or resolution or solution. Including public safety.

In other words, discoverying what happened to Maura, if it needs a reason articulated, can be done for the sake of those who still come home, carefree and happy to have a family to see every day. It can be done for the living that should be able to continue their lives uninterrupted and unfallen by such needless and horrible intrusion, malice, and violence. It can be done to reduce the everyday level of fear experienced by so many.

But if law enforcement (including private investigators) insist on viewing Maura's disappearance with the same old blinders worn by the Saratoga County DA in the Regan case, then I fear there will be other victims ahead and many other hearts - of parents, brothers and sisters, cousins, friends, loved ones - so needlessly broken.

Discover what happened to Maura, find her, for sure, and bring her home so her family may find the peace they deserve, but please don't close your eyes to the possibility that a culture of intense greed may ultimately be at the root of her disappearance.

Please give some consideration to an alternate view, because if it's the right view after all, it may mean that another young woman, or several, go home uneventfully at night instead of disappearing forever.

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