Where is MAURA MURRAY

Quija wrote:

Remember Rodney King: "Why can't we all just get along?" (But then, didn't he go to jail for something? oh well)
Anyway, you guys are NOT all on different sides!
i think there's some problem with the way we interpret other peoples' posts!
like a lot of posters, i don't have an agenda. That made people suspicious of me, not knowing what to make of me!!! haha! but because of that i can see that most rational posters believe that Haverhill, NH has its crime and bureaucratic problems, but just to the extent of any similar towns and counties. I don't think there's any use trying to talk sense into posters who are convinced and vocal about Haverhill being a den of iniquity!
Nobody wants to hurt the Murray family, but it's to be expected that uncomfortable questions will come up. If they're asked in a businesslike way, that's what the forums are here for... in addition to the primary family reason of keeping Maura's name heard. If we didn't bring up every possibility, we might as well just keep posting "Bumping for Maura" 13,103 times!
Firecat is clear on the facts and I've never seen her twist them around; and Advocate too keeps good notes. I've seen a lot of incorrect "facts" posted here, probably because there's a lot of material to keep track of. Also, we've gotten contradictory info from all authorities, and even the PIs have different opinions (staged accident vs. not staged, etc.).
There's info only LE has, info only the PIs have, info only the family has, and a variety of news articles with conflicting info which we all have.
IMO most people who are not here for amusement are looking for the truth. And everyone's frustrated. And I don't think we're communicating really clearly with each other. It seems like we're speaking different languages, but maybe saying the same thing.
enuf. you get it.

Quija, you're a born diplomat. Smart, too. ;-)

The following quotes are from Stephen S. Hall's "Merchants of Immortality."

In November 1999, I [Hall] asked Michael West [head of Advanced Cell Technology in Worcester, Massachusetts) if the use of the human oocytes – egg cells donated by human females – was under consideration at ACT, and he evaded the question. As it turns out, human cloning was not only on the table by then – the first steps had already been taken. In September 1999, Jose Cibelli had met with a fertility expert at Harvard named Ann Kiessling,“who,” according to a subsequent press account,“agreed with five minutes to help set up a program to collect eggs from women.”(p. 319)

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In the summer of 1999, several press reports, including a story in the Washington Post, suggested that Geron was creating human embryos for research purposes through cloning. Company officials vehemently denied these reports. Thomas Okarma, head of Geron, told the New York Times it wasn’t true. When I asked Okarma about it myself a few months later, he said,“We are not now using, and not then, any kind of experimentation to do nuclear reprogramming with humans. Period. Full stop.” When I asked a member of Geron’s advisory board about it, she professed ignorance. In May 2002, however, David Hamilton and Antonia Regaldo of the Wall Street Journal obtained documentation showing that Geron had indeed supported a substantial effort to clone human embryos in Roger Pedersen’s lab at the University of California at San Francisco – an effort that began in the first half of 1999.(p. 320)

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On July 31 [2001], the House of Representatives indeed passed its bill banning all forms of cloning – a bill that, if it became law with Senate passage, would criminalize the very research ACT was pursuing at breakneck speed in Worcester.(p. 327)

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Jose Cibelli [ACT scientist, formerly of UMass] had begun human cloning in earnest during the month of July [2001], when the first [FIRST!] human eggs had been harvested in Somerville.

Using seventy-one eggs procured from seven different female donors, Cibelli attempted three rounds of microinjection, without a single success.(p. 328)

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Ethical protections for an egg donor program: since the potential to exploit egg donors has become a serious issue to feminists, bioethicists, and even President Bush, it worth hearing from Ron Green [ACT's Board of Ethics Advisors] on this point.“One of the lamentable features of the lack of federal support for reproductive research is that nobody has figured out successfully yet how to really freeze an egg,” he said.“If eggs could be frozen and matured in vitro – if you could take immature eggs, put them aside, and freeze them – it would provide a wholly new reproductive option for women who are currently facing the biological clock… It would also eliminate completely the need for this donor program. We could go to one woman, harvest ten thousand eggs, and do all the research that anybody wanted with a single, or even a cadavered, donation of eggs. But none of that can be done, because there’s no federal money for the research.”(p. 410)

Plans to acquire eggs were made at least as early as 9/1999. The existence of these plans were denied.

Advanced Cell Technology was pursuing cloning "at breakneck speed."

The first - FIRST - eggs were (officially) harvested in July 2001. Zero success was achieved using all of these eggs.

If only one could harvest 10,000 eggs at once, even if from a dead person. But there's no federal money to pay for that.

Probably no one remembers or ever saw the UMass cows with the big access holes in their sides.

Ouija, I agree to a point with your post...I guess I would say that most are on the same page. There seems to be some who want to go off in 'left field'! JMHO

Seems UMass has a pretty direct, unique, and substantial connection to embryonic stem cell research (ESCR) and Advanced Cell Technology (ACT), which, in the late 1990's through at least 2001, relied on human eggs.

But it takes A LOT of human eggs to successfully produce in the lab a human emybryo. So why not just take 10,000 eggs at once, possibly from a cadaver, as Ron Green mentioned?

You don't have a living donor? Not even a cadaver? You're in a breakneck race for announcing the first cloning of a human embryo? Rockefeller investment money is demanding results and publicity fast? Whatcha gonna do?

Trent Lott is (Republican) Majority Leader, just barely, in the U.S. Senate. Until Sen. Jim Jeffords of Vermont tips the balance of power by leaving the GOP to become an independent - with some quiet support of his fellow Vermont Senator, Patrick Leahy. At which point Lott's staff assistant for Latin American affairs, Nelson Aldrich Rockefeller, Jr., no longer works for the Majority Leader, who is now Tom Daschle of South Dakota.

The Office of Commercial Ventures and Intellectual Property is responsible for evaluating, protecting and commercializing inventions and discoveries created by its academic researchers on the Amherst campus. We strive to create a customer-friendly system that assists faculty, staff and students in securing sponsored research funds and to transform ideas, inventions and creative works into commercially viable products, processes and services that have economic payback to the inventors, the sponsors and the university.

ABOVE FROM: http://www.umass.edu/research/cvip/

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So I guess UMass, or at least the UMass Office of Commercial Ventures and Intellectual Property, would not exactly want to be associated in any way with the possibly questionable supply of human eggs to one its star corporate success stories? Especially if that supply involved killing someone? Or some three? Or maybe more?

The connections among UMass, Rockefeller money, ACT, Hematech, and several professors and academic researchers stands out as utterly unique in the short history of Embryonic Stem Cell Research.

Where did ALL the eggs used in ESCR come from? Can the source(s) be documented?

where is new forum advocators pages. how accurate are they

asked previously but never got an answerhas anyone any info as to michael nicholaous where abouts at time. I know he is now dead and was living down south at time of his death, but he was a strong suspect in connecticut river killings among others, was familiar with area, and thought I read where he would get in car and go on long road trips. seems worth a look to me

Beagle wrote:

Probably no one remembers or ever saw the UMass cows with the big access holes in their sides.

Oh, my God.

Beagle wrote:

Probably no one remembers or ever saw the UMass cows with the big access holes in their sides.

And your point is.....? I haven't seen those particular ones, but that's a fairly common thing in a lot of labs. Not that I don't find it nauseatingly offensive, but I doubt see-through cows have anything to do with Maura's disappearance.

Beagle boots

The PI Columbo told us last week that a suspicious red truck was reported the night Maura disappeared about 1/2 mile up Bradley Hill Road --- that's almost a straight shot up BH Road from the end of Maura's scent trail. Driver was out of the vehicle and possibly in the woods. Someone reported it to LE. 3 out of the 6 vehicles they stopped that night (some for equipment violations IIRC) were reddish pickup trucks. Some days later RO told LE about the red pickup truck cruising oddly and checking her out on 112 about a mile from Maura's Saturn. There's a LOT there to think about. OR

We were told that information after 5 years for some other reason, like getting us away from talking about Amherst, did Maura really live in her packed-up dorm room, what were her social drinking habits, had she made a major decision to change her life, was she friends with a professor or gallery administrator, etc. Were we getting too close to something or someone important in Amherst? This is the first time I can clearly read this Sudden New Disclosure as a possible redirecting of our ideas!

And, yes, between Kurt's poem and other stuff we've gone over here, there's always the chance that Maura was determined to get away... and did.

p.s. Thanks, Snowy!

Brian Rooney of Williston Vt. is now in jail for life for brutally killing MICHELLE GARDNER QUINN, a college student in Burlington VT. Brian Rooney kidnapped her off a street in Burlington late at night when the bars were closing. He then murdered her and threw her body over a bank at The Huntington Gorge. Her body was found a few days later by hikers.

NOTE: BRIAN ROONEY was living in the Haverhill NH area at the time Maura went missing. He also hung out with alot of the drug crowd and stayed over at peoples houses for days at a time. He had a wife and kid in Gilman VT. just accross the Conn. river from Littleton NH. He drove a red truck (his personal vehicle)and worked for a guy doing landscaping and snow plowing.

Once Rooney was arrested they found a van at his house in VT. with Rags soaked with chemicals. LE surmised these were probably used to render his victim unconsious. It was later found out by LE that he even drug his wife and step daughter and then have intercourse with their lifeless. Scary thought.

I might add that THE RAG IN THE TAILPIPE found on Maura's car was certainly suspicious.

So there is a possibility that Brian Rooney could be responsible for Maura's disappearance. This info is known by LE, so one would hope they would have questioned Rooney about his whereabouts on the night of Feb. 9th 2004. If they have nothing has come of it thus far that we are aware of anyway.

Something to think about....speculation.

I will post a link to the story.

Columbo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Rooney

The quik facts

Detective Columbo wrote:

Brian Rooney of Williston Vt. is now in jail for life for brutally killing MICHELLE GARDNER QUINN, a college student in Burlington VT. Brian Rooney kidnapped her off a street in Burlington late at night when the bars were closing. He then murdered her and threw her body over a bank at The Huntington Gorge. Her body was found a few days later by hikers.
NOTE: BRIAN ROONEY was living in the Haverhill NH area at the time Maura went missing. He also hung out with alot of the drug crowd and stayed over at peoples houses for days at a time. He had a wife and kid in Gilman VT. just accross the Conn. river from Littleton NH. He drove a red truck (his personal vehicle)and worked for a guy doing landscaping and snow plowing.
Once Rooney was arrested they found a van at his house in VT. with Rags soaked with chemicals. LE surmised these were probably used to render his victim unconsious. It was later found out by LE that he even drug his wife and step daughter and then have intercourse with their lifeless. Scary thought.
I might add that THE RAG IN THE TAILPIPE found on Maura's car was certainly suspicious.
So there is a possibility that Brian Rooney could be responsible for Maura's disappearance. This info is known by LE, so one would hope they would have questioned Rooney about his whereabouts on the night of Feb. 9th 2004. If they have nothing has come of it thus far that we are aware of anyway.
Something to think about....speculation.
I will post a link to the story.
Columbo

That's very interesting. Could you perhaps respond to Quija's post about it coming out 5 years after the fact?

I mentioned this info here before as well as on the old MM site back in Oct. of 2006. Sorry you did not see this before.

Columbo

Amazing that I missed it. Apparently a lot of others that read up on Maura daily, missed it too. Otherwise this probably would have been a huge topic of discussion, which it wasn't.

Sorry my bullcrap-o-meter is going haywire.

To clarify: bullcrap on the red truck issue coming out now, not the possibility of Brian Rooney.

Why is Rooney not a possibilty?