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sophie bean

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Here we see someone's own agenda trying to make the few facts we have in Maura's case fit their agenda. There is no evidence, not even any plausible connection to this urban legend to Maura, no evdience to remotely suggest that Maura was a victim of some heinous crackpot quasi-medical scheme better suited to the newer X-Files movie than to a discussion of a daughter, a family member, a fiance, a friend who vanished. Whatever ego trip is being served by this nonsense, is it really worth continually derailing a sincere investigation of what happened to Maura - five years after she went missing? I realize that by even mentioning it I give it more attention than it deserves. I am not remotely interested in whether someone "thinks" that this nonsense is a plausible scenario - it is nothing more than a waste of our time.

Thank you, Anne, for noticing that. It is one of the strangest things that has EVER happened to me. The INSISTENCE - which continues -that I was related by marriage to that person was astonishing. The person who stated it - who swore to have heard it from MY relatives - still refuses to admit that the whole thing was a total fabrciation, and was and remains indignant about being caught in a bare-faced lie. Very odd stuff.

Why do you think that this case - and those cases which some claim are "related" - attracts such a level of weirdness?
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Molly and Maura are 2 very different types of disappearances. Molly was a 16yr old child. Maura was an adult. It became obvious immediately that Molly was abducted. Maura's disappearance was preceded by some pretty bizarre behaviour on her part - leaving Amhest alone on a dark cold winter's night in a broken down car on a Monday night when she had a full week of classes that week. Also she showed signs of stress the preceding Thurs night, sobbing in public,requiring assistance to her dorm. It's no wonder many feel that she voluntarily ran away to start a new life.

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sophie bean wrote:
...Here we see someone's own agenda trying to make the few facts we have in Maura's case fit their agenda. There is no evidence, not even any plausible connection to this urban legend to Maura, no evdience to remotely suggest that Maura was a victim of some heinous crackpot quasi-medical scheme better suited to the newer X-Files movie than to a discussion of a daughter, a family member, a fiance, a friend who vanished.
With all due respect, I beg to differ. The harvesting of human eggs is not an urban legend, and criminal minds often come up with plans that would never even occur to me, so I would not be surprised if some criminals have thought of abducting someone to sell her eggs. There have been situations of stolen body parts, this is not really any great jump from that. Further, in the article I linked to previously, I believe there was reference to recipients of eggs wanting eggs that came from those who are academically gifted -- and no doubt athletically gifted is also a consideration for some. Maura was certainly both.
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...Whatever ego trip is being served by this nonsense, is it really worth continually derailing a sincere investigation of what happened to Maura - five years after she went missing?
Beagle has not claimed this is what happened to Maura but only presents it as a valid possibility, which I think it could be. He's taken the time to research and show that Maura was certainly "in proximity" to people and institutions who are involved with or connected to egg harvesting. It is not a theory more valid than others, but I think it is AS valid as the theory that she was abducted and killed by a stranger. There is no evidence to say THAT happened, either.
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With all due respect, I beg to differ. The harvesting of human eggs is not an urban legend, and criminal minds often come up with plans that would never even occur to me, so I would not be surprised if some criminals have thought of abducting someone to sell her eggs. There have been situations of stolen body parts, this is not really any great jump from that. Further, in the article I linked to previously, I believe there was reference to recipients of eggs wanting eggs that came from those who are academically gifted -- and no doubt athletically gifted is also a consideration for some. Maura was certainly both.
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Beagle has not claimed this is what happened to Maura but only presents it as a valid possibility, which I think it could be. He's taken the time to research and show that Maura was certainly "in proximity" to people and institutions who are involved with or connected to egg harvesting. It is not a theory more valid than others, but I think it is AS valid as the theory that she was abducted and killed by a stranger. There is no evidence to say THAT happened, either.
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SEOUL - Cloning a Chow Chow is expected to be easier and perhaps as much as 50 percent less costly, a South Korean biotech firm said Thursday as it unveiled a new cloning technology.

But pet owners who have to shell out $100,000 or more to clone a pet dog will still have to pay tens of thousands of dollars if they want to clone their beloved dogs and should be prepared for long waits because most commercial canine cloning is for working animals including sniffer dogs at airports.

RNL Bio said it has developed a new method to clone dogs using stem cells derived from fat tissue that greatly increases the likelihood of success.

It added the new technology can also help in studying treatments of genetic disorders in canines that have similarities to human illnesses including diabetes.

"If we fully develop this technology, dog cloning will be much easier than now. We can reduce the cost for cloning," said Ra Jeongchan, the chief executive of Seoul-based RNL Bio.

Ra, which is applying for a patent, said two cloned beagle puppies were born in the past week using this method which could reduce the cost of cloning a pet dog to about $50,000 within three years.

Canines are considered one of the more difficult mammals to clone because of their reproductive cycle that includes difficult-to-predict ovulations.

Scores of dogs have been cloned using so-called somatic cell nuclear transfer, a technique for hollowing out the nucleus of a donor egg and injecting it with the donor's genetic material, which is typically skin tissue taken from the ear.

Ra said stem cells from fat tissue are far easier to reprogram and there is about a 20 percent chance a manipulated cell will result in a clone, an improvement over the previous method where the success rate was in the single digits.

South Korea's Customs Service said it paid about 60 million won ($43,840) to clone sniffer dogs with RNL, which is affiliated with Seoul National University (SNU) and cloned the dogs at a reduced cost for the government.

The SNU lab was once led by disgraced scientist Hwang Woo-suk, who is now standing trial on charges of fraud and embezzlement. Hwang now has his own lab called Sooam Biotech Research Foundation that also clones dogs commercially.

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Wowzer

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sophie bean wrote:
Quija wrote, in part:
"The same can be said for the degree to which we each believe that any of us are trying to mislead, distract, or divert others."
I largely agree with you. I think that it is wrong to assume that those who disagree are looking to mislead. I don't believe any such thing. I particularly doubt that many citizens of the area are trying to mislead, and I think that I uderstand their anger that that may seem to be suggested. Let me be clear once again, I have absolutely no animosity at all toward anyone who ISN'T trying to willfully mislead.
I DO have animosity (at best) toward anyone who IS trying to willfully mislead.
I think it would be foolish to ignore the possibility that some are here for exactly that reason. The only "person"/entity that I've seen hereabouts that I am convinced is here for that reason alone is Alden/Beagle and the clones.
That said, and I sort of hate to mention it here, since I was recently the target of a ridiculous smear campaign at a topix thread that's related to this one, I am a little suspicious that someone in the area is willfully misdirecting about the Franconia 5/11 tragedy. To claim absolute lies about me because I was perceived to disagree is VERY strange behavior. This may have nothing to do with Maura's case, but sionce one of the purported POI's in Maura's case is a central figure in that case, I have to wonder a little bit.
Whispering here..... if it's who I think you are talking about they don't come from this area. Not even this state. If I'm wrong I apologize.
Wowzer

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Dawn wrote:
I want to say this in a delicate way. I think that Wowzer provide good feedback.. Just a thought.. I know the people from NH have gotten bad press... however - I wonder if that is .. trying to say this nicely.. maybe there is a perception they have been less than helpful. Not saying you. Just saying - in general - you look at Molly Bish and that was the LARGEST search in the states history. They took it and the people of the state came together to try to find her and keep others in the state safe. Just from the outside looking in. Sometimes - I get a sense of ' go away we don't want you here" feeling.. I think if there was more - lets put an end to this.. What can we do.. Lets do it. Would be far more productive and the town folk would look like heros.
I think the people did what they could to help considering there wasn't any proof that a crime had been committed.
There were land and air searches conducted here Several in fact.
Theirs no comaparing Maura and Molly's cases.
From what I have read Molly was a child that was dropped off at her lifeguard job by her mother. She didn't leave on her own.
Maura was a young women that got in her car and left her school, family and friends. Her room was packed up and as far as anyone can tell she planned to be gone for awhile.
Where does this sense of "go away we don't want you here" feeling come from? Have you ever even been here to get that feeling?
Anne

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Stem cell research is a highly controversial subject which appears to have become the topic here.

Wozer wrote, "I think the people did what they could to help considering there wasn't any proof that a crime had been committed." I agree that was the case in the first few hours. Most people on these forums came to be helpful. I did.

I am just wondering how on earth I find myself pondering the pros and cons of stem cell research?! Then, what's the going price for eggs and who is buying them?! I guess I will just say I finally understand how this forum got hijacked and the point of it.
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hi all,there is no proof that Maura packed her room or even went to N.H.I am asking please keep an open mind about Amherst and Mauras prior life.take care philip
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whiston, I was in hopes that by now you would have found out that she did or did not leave umass. Her car was in Haverhill and a witness placed her at the scene. IMHO the stem cell controversy is a subject unto itself. Noone has stated it's a fact she never left school. Phillip, since this hasn't become a resolved case, I have every intention of keeping an open mind to most possibilities.

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Advocator wrote:
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With all due respect, I beg to differ. The harvesting of human eggs is not an urban legend, and criminal minds often come up with plans that would never even occur to me, so I would not be surprised if some criminals have thought of abducting someone to sell her eggs. There have been situations of stolen body parts, this is not really any great jump from that. Further, in the article I linked to previously, I believe there was reference to recipients of eggs wanting eggs that came from those who are academically gifted -- and no doubt athletically gifted is also a consideration for some. Maura was certainly both.
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Beagle has not claimed this is what happened to Maura but only presents it as a valid possibility, which I think it could be. He's taken the time to research and show that Maura was certainly "in proximity" to people and institutions who are involved with or connected to egg harvesting. It is not a theory more valid than others, but I think it is AS valid as the theory that she was abducted and killed by a stranger. There is no evidence to say THAT happened, either.
Very well stated.

However, Quija's point is proven by Sophie Bean's repeated accusations of Beagle's intent to mislead/disrupt and divert.

I remain silent when "psychic" theories unfold.

It is that bottom-line "tenacious" grasp, which Ouija identified, that presents as strong resistance to opposing theories.

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Advocator writes:
"Beagle has not claimed this is what happened to Maura but only presents it as a valid possibility, which I think it could be. He's taken the time to research and show that Maura was certainly "in proximity" to people and institutions who are involved with or connected to egg harvesting. It is not a theory more valid than others, but I think it is AS valid as the theory that she was abducted and killed by a stranger. There is no evidence to say THAT happened, either."

Fair-minded...and well worth a re-read, Advocator
names Beagle's theory as a "valid possibility" in light of the logic and research he has presented.

I'd say "unlikely possibility", as Molly Bish was an ordinary high school student...similar to Maura only by relative geographic location.

In addition, Maura was not the only beautiful and gifted athlete/student on campus at UMASS. It is not in any way clear or proven that she was directly connected to egg donation thieves.

Still, Amherst holds intrigue by her sudden prompt to leave in the midst of some distress.

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laura wrote:
Molly and Maura are 2 very different types of disappearances. Molly was a 16yr old child. Maura was an adult. It became obvious immediately that Molly was abducted. Maura's disappearance was preceded by some pretty bizarre behaviour on her part - leaving Amhest alone on a dark cold winter's night in a broken down car on a Monday night when she had a full week of classes that week. Also she showed signs of stress the preceding Thurs night, sobbing in public,requiring assistance to her dorm. It's no wonder many feel that she voluntarily ran away to start a new life.
I agree with your conclusions about Molly vs. Maura...but don't adhere to the position that she ran away with the intention of starting a new life.

You know, even in dysfunctional families, there is a deep tie...pull/draw to remain close to the "system" in place.

It would have been impractical for Maura to run away from her family, and by necessity, having to establish a financial support system and a new emotional constellation.
Her educational goals were incomplete, and she barely had transportation.
By all appearances, at 21 she was a typical college girl, financially and socially dependent.

With a probable option to run to Billy and his family, it seems doubful that her leaving was intended to be long term, or that she was escaping either family or Billy, IMHO.
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whiston wrote:
hi all,there is no proof that Maura packed her room or even went to N.H.I am asking please keep an open mind about Amherst and Mauras prior life.take care philip
Wow! Bouncing off whiston's idea here, who could be the person(s) likely to have packed up Maura's room if it wasn't HER? Now that whiston brought that up, how do we know WHEN the room was packed up? I always assumed that it was before Friday night, or never UNpacked, maybe a reason Maura didn't want her supervisor or other friends to see the room. But, when was the FIRST time after Maura's disappearance that anyone SAW the room? Oh man, it could even have been packed up Monday night by someone else? Or Tuesday morning? By someone who either harmed Maura, was asked or directed by Maura to do so, or someone who just knew she wasn't returning? This is a whole new direction IMO. whiston, am I at all on track with your idea?

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whiston wrote:
hi all,there is no proof that Maura packed her room or even went to N.H.I am asking please keep an open mind about Amherst and Mauras prior life.take care philip
Agree. Agree. Agree.

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Quija wrote:
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Wow! Bouncing off whiston's idea here, who could be the person(s) likely to have packed up Maura's room if it wasn't HER? Now that whiston brought that up, how do we know WHEN the room was packed up? I always assumed that it was before Friday night, or never UNpacked, maybe a reason Maura didn't want her supervisor or other friends to see the room. But, when was the FIRST time after Maura's disappearance that anyone SAW the room? Oh man, it could even have been packed up Monday night by someone else? Or Tuesday morning? By someone who either harmed Maura, was asked or directed by Maura to do so, or someone who just knew she wasn't returning? This is a whole new direction IMO. whiston, am I at all on track with your idea?
All good questions, and equally important as THE phone call received at the time of her meltdown while at work.
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Quija wrote:
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Wow! Bouncing off whiston's idea here, who could be the person(s) likely to have packed up Maura's room if it wasn't HER? Now that whiston brought that up, how do we know WHEN the room was packed up? I always assumed that it was before Friday night, or never UNpacked, maybe a reason Maura didn't want her supervisor or other friends to see the room. But, when was the FIRST time after Maura's disappearance that anyone SAW the room? Oh man, it could even have been packed up Monday night by someone else? Or Tuesday morning? By someone who either harmed Maura, was asked or directed by Maura to do so, or someone who just knew she wasn't returning? This is a whole new direction IMO. whiston, am I at all on track with your idea?
Surely to god there were fingerprints and DNA samples takes of the boxes so that we can at least know it was Maura that packed up those boxes. Does anyone know?
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Advocator wrote:
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With all due respect, I beg to differ. The harvesting of human eggs is not an urban legend, and criminal minds often come up with plans that would never even occur to me, so I would not be surprised if some criminals have thought of abducting someone to sell her eggs. There have been situations of stolen body parts, this is not really any great jump from that. Further, in the article I linked to previously, I believe there was reference to recipients of eggs wanting eggs that came from those who are academically gifted -- and no doubt athletically gifted is also a consideration for some. Maura was certainly both.
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Beagle has not claimed this is what happened to Maura but only presents it as a valid possibility, which I think it could be. He's taken the time to research and show that Maura was certainly "in proximity" to people and institutions who are involved with or connected to egg harvesting. It is not a theory more valid than others, but I think it is AS valid as the theory that she was abducted and killed by a stranger. There is no evidence to say THAT happened, either.
Advocator, I disagree with you on almost every point. I do not know for a fact, but strongly suspect, that the number of young women who are abducted and harmed (please notice that I have never, ever said that it was necessarily a stranger) vs. the number who are abducted for criminal quais-medical abuse (and I'm astonished by the incredibly soft term "harvesting") has got to be statistically enormous. There is NO evidence (please, she went to a COLLEGE, colleges have science people who might be involved in such activities???) that she was ever near such criminals. There are MOUNTAINS of evidence (literally) of serial abduction and murder in the upper CT Valley.

Even if there were a SHRED of evidence to make this urban legend (ooooo, kidney theft!) remotely plausible, how then might anyone explain Alden/Beagle/BF/Benji/EA/perso nality-du-jour's constantly changing multiple personality ploy? Discussing it even to this extent is absurd and only a further waste of time.

It's curious that you're choosing to defend a completely indefensible position.
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Again, bouncing off of whiston's post that there's no proof Maura was ever even IN New Hampshire.... Who, among those we've heard of, might have had the means (the keys) or the motive to relocate the Saturn to NH?

The only thing I can think of, off the bat, is that someone hurt Maura in Amherst and needed to pack up her room, make some "supporting Google searches and phone calls indicating she was heading to the mountains", and relocate the Saturn to the mountains of NH to draw attention away from Amherst.

Who would do ALL THIS? It's hard to picture college friends doing this! Unless there was something VERY intense going on. Maybe there was!? But, the friend wouldn't necessarily know Maura's favorite mountains... what things to put in the Saturn, what emails to leave out on top of the boxes....

It could've been some "bad guy" in Amherst who Maura witnessed doing "something bad". Or, it could've been someone (it often is) VERY close to Maura who hurt her in a rage. That could be an intense relationship with a lover, or family member. Any of THESE last groups would know her well enough to know which "meaningful items" to put in the Saturn, and where to head off to".

I don't think the public knows what the picture on the ATM really shows.

And I've heard questions raised here as to the DATE of the receipt for the liquor in the car.

Maybe she wasn't even GOING to NH (as whiston i think posted), and just met with someone late Monday afternoon who had to go through all the above actions to take the microscope off Amherst?
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Thank you VERY much, Wowzer. I truly wondered about that and doubted from the first moment that it was anyone from or familiar with the area. It's incredible that someone with so much rage and ignorance would expend that amount of energy to attempt to discredit someone for disagreeing with them. The fact that that person has never acknowledged that they were just making *stuff* up and claims to this day that they have "no reason to doubt" their so-called source really tells me everything I need to know about that person. "How DARE you call me a liar - even though we both know that I am lying?" is pretty pathetic.

I assure you that I do not consider the moron who perpetrated the lie to be in any way representative of residetns of the North Country.
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