Where is MAURA MURRAY

whiston wrote:

.What would stop them talking.take care philip

an active, criminal investigation?

whiston wrote:

hi al how the hell can L.E. not show the last known video of a missing person.

hey, whiston ~
GOOD QUESTION. i recall LE showed Michelle Gardner-Quinn's encounter with Rooney while searching for her throughout the active investigation.
other instances come to mind...different states, news flashes of video where victims were last seen.
hmmmm....maybe Columbo has some insight about LE/investigative protocols.

For what it's worth - last night I read Not Without Peril by Nicholas Howe - the book that was found in Maura's Saturn in Haverhill. It has been said that Haverhill LE interpreted this as a "clue" leading them to the conclusion that Maura may have committed suicide. No way. It's an excellent book, very readable. Great to read on a very cold winter's night, wherever you are you know you are warmer than the people in the book are. A great tribute to the AMC rescue teams.

whiston wrote:

hi al how the hell can L.E. not show the last known video of a missing person.Does it not exist .Does it NOT show the saturn .Does it show someone other than Maura.How can they put out a missing person poster and say,we can't tell you where she worked ,which atm she used ,which liquor store she went to ,where her clinicas where and what her class schedule was but if you were there at one of these mystery locations at a mystery time please help.All this happened in Amherst M.A.,but we are supposed to look elsewhere.Why has Sarah Alfieri or Kate Markopoulos not come forward and said where Maura worked.As someone suggested with mrAtwwod were they asked to say nothing and did the same go for the Salamones .AMHERST and Mauras prior life can be proven, everything after that is still a mystery.5 years is far too long to get some answers from people that knew Maura on a day to day basis.What would stop them talking.take care philip

1. A non-disclosure agreement.

2. An appearance before a grand jury.

whiston wrote:

hi al how the hell can L.E. not show the last known video of a missing person.Does it not exist .Does it NOT show the saturn .Does it show someone other than Maura.How can they put out a missing person poster and say,we can't tell you where she worked ,which atm she used ,which liquor store she went to ,where her clinicas where and what her class schedule was but if you were there at one of these mystery locations at a mystery time please help.All this happened in Amherst M.A.,but we are supposed to look elsewhere.Why has Sarah Alfieri or Kate Markopoulos not come forward and said where Maura worked.As someone suggested with mrAtwwod were they asked to say nothing and did the same go for the Salamones .AMHERST and Mauras prior life can be proven, everything after that is still a mystery.5 years is far too long to get some answers from people that knew Maura on a day to day basis.What would stop them talking.take care philip

3. Their parents.

4. A request from LE.

5. A need to avoid endless questions.

6. No desire to feel persecuted for giving "suspicous" or "diversionary" answers.

7. No desire to have the meaning of their words distorted into the opposite of what they intended.

8. No desire to become another two or three letter referent such as SBD, CS, CW, and so on.

hi Snowy ,with all due respect are we agreeing that Mauras past is an ongoing investigation.There are 2 parts to this ,before Maura vanished and after.If Mauras prior life before Feb 08 2004 is being investigated ,i am hopefull.Not to sound ccold but all of Mauras life that can be comfirmed is before her fathers car was found in N.H, and whilst i am on that the saturn was registered to MrMurray.It was not Mauras car.If this is an incorrect fact please post.take care philip

I remember someone posting that Maura's cousin said the liquor store video did not exist.(don't know if that is a fact) So perhaps the only video is the ATM, and for whatever reason they aren't showing it to anyone. Leads me to believe IF ATM video exists, it is very important to investigation which means Amherst IS important after all. And if it does not exist, well then what reason to lie about it existing?

whiston wrote:

hi Snowy ,with all due respect are we agreeing that Mauras past is an ongoing investigation.There are 2 parts to this ,before Maura vanished and after.If Mauras prior life before Feb 08 2004 is being investigated ,i am hopefull.Not to sound ccold but all of Mauras life that can be comfirmed is before her fathers car was found in N.H, and whilst i am on that the saturn was registered to MrMurray.It was not Mauras car.If this is an incorrect fact please post.take care philip

hi, whiston ~
the longer i stay, the less i know with any certainty...a good realization, i suppose.
i hope it is not unrealistic to expect that LE has and continues to fully investigate ANY and ALL aspects of Maura's disappearance.
for all of the reasons Beagle cites above, there may be hesitancy for additional public disclosure. i have zero legal training. do you believe you are being deprived of information that belongs in the public view?
i do not.

Snowy White wrote:

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you're not. i am the other. AOL users seem to have options to "play". my provider, comcast, has fixed and fairly accurate geographic locations.
maybe BF can tell us more.

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Ok so this is a good start http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-static-ip-a...

For your computer to be on the Internet - the easiest analogy to use is to compare it to the telephone number system we have in place.

But differently in that AOL owns a group of phone numbers in each area code, along with all the other Internet service preoviders.

Some folks pay extra to keep their phone number - because a lot of people call them. Also imagine that up to 253x253 people can share the same phone number.

OK just call the phone numbers IP numbers.

But Internet access is different in that you have to dial up or connect to your provider - and your provider will assign to you the nearest available IP number. AOL has buildings all over the United States. If you use dial up - you get a number of places to choose to dial in to. Each building has some computers that have IP numbers assigned to them. After a while people figured out that if you dialed the AOL building at a particular location, you would be assigned an IP number in a particular range.

If you don't have dial up they still have to route you to the nearest building with an available IP number.

If you live in a big urban area with many municipalities around you - the closest place with an ISP available might be in a local suburb. Small town, the nearest place might be 5 miles away.

So imagine that we ran out of phone numbers in an area code. Not everybody uses their phone all of the time - so when you aren't using it - someone else gets it. Its not a problem
it needs its own uniqe number - just like a telephone system. There are unique mubers within

Basically when the Internet Gods set up the most commonly used method to differentiate each computer on this gigantic network - they thought that having 253x253x253x253 numbers available was enough, but apparently not.

http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1918

Here is some technical infprmation if you want to play with it ( I don't thoughly know all the stuff below - more confusing then informative: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_address
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv4

The "language" that communicates with the style "phone number" AKA IP number 253.253.253.253 is called TCP/IP.

Maybe this makes sense: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1518

propaganda firetruck wrote:

Does anyone know if her car was delivered to NH before Monday on the order or at the request of the responsible perp? Maybe someone in Amherst knows.

If the Saturn was parked in Lot 12 at night, then all that stuff that was supposedly found inside the car in Haverhill would probably not have been left overnight in the car in the first place. But if the Saturn was parked in a relatively safe place - a private driveway or parking area, for instance - then there's less of a reason to empty the car.

If the car was not in lot 12 Thursday night, and if Maura turned away emotional support after the phone call because she had a phantom roommate, then it makes sense that the Saturn was not parked too far away and that she was headed there and not to her room in Kennedy. It's doubtful the Saturn was parked in Lot 12 every night between Thursday and Sunday.

If the Saturn had hit Vasi while driven by someone other than Maura, then it seems unlikely that Maura, if she had been informed about the Vasi hit in the phone call, would have driven the car that night or have driven it very much in the next day or two. It would have either remained parked where it was - not in Lot 12 and not far from campus - or it would have been moved to an out of the way location.

If the Saturn hit Vasi, then the Registry of Motor Vehicles would have been avoided at all costs on Monday because of the damage to a car that was possibly involved in what might have become a case of vehicular homicide. Almost every cop in the area would have been aware that a UMass student might die from injuries possibly sustained in a hit and run. A guilty driver would have to assume that he or she might get scrutinized by police if the Saturn was driven around during daylight hours.

Petrit Vasi posted that the Amherst LE still have all the clothes that he wore the night that he was hit because his hit and run is still considered an 'open case'. If only these clothes could be tested for car paint and glass fragments. The forensics would finally once and for all answer this question.

Here's a perfect example of how accurate the news media is about the Bish case.

"Heather Bish said the girls' father, John, a former police officer, has been worried his daughter's death was some kind of retribution from someone he'd arrested or encountered during his law enforcement career. And Magi Bish spent the last eight years thinking she saw her daughter's murderer and couldn't protect her."

ABOVE QUOTE FROM ABC NEWS:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story...

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Mr. Bish was a probation or parole officer in Worcester County, not a cop. But the story at least brings up the idea of an incarcerated or formerly incarcerated person. Or at least someone in a jail. Making a series of phone calls to an ex-priest convicted of having raped two girls, 12 and 14 years old. Who in turn calls the home of a leading member of a Bish endorsed search and rescue group. At the same time the bathing suit was found. Even the name of the company that made the endorsement video has a clear connection to regenerative medicine.

Suzanne wrote:

Petrit Vasi posted that the Amherst LE still have all the clothes that he wore the night that he was hit because his hit and run is still considered an 'open case'. If only these clothes could be tested for car paint and glass fragments. The forensics would finally once and for all answer this question.

Good point Sharon - I mean Suzanne (lol). One could only hope that LE would have done this already. Whether their findings would have been made any more public than any of the other information that supposedly exists is an open question.

If Amherst PD has Vasi's clothes and UMass PD is "handling" the case, then I'm not sure what that would mean. No connection?

It seems very apparent that one or more people connected, loosely or closely, to both the anti-abortion movement in western Massachusetts and to the Community Foundation of Western Massachusetts (CFWM) have an unusually intense interest in this case. And in the Molly Bish case.

The pro-life movement is all over the Bish and Murray cases, like white on rice.

I believe there has also been unusually intense interest in these cases from a location near the old Verizon office on Church St. in Greenfield, MA.

From the book "Adopting in Massachusetts," copyright 2000, published by The Center for Adoption Research, located at the University of Massachusetts Medical School in Worcester, Mass.

"This guide was produced with the generous support of... Elizabeth D. Sheibel, Esquire."

From the book "Opposition and Intimidation: The Abortion Wars and Strategies of Political Harassament." By Alesha E. Doan.

Author quoting a Pro-Life activist...

"Well, I think just about like everyone else in the league, we felt as though the bottom had been pulled out from under us [by Roe v. Wade decision]. It was an incredible thing, I couldn't believe it. In fact, I didn't. For a couple of months I kept thinking it can't be right, I'm not hearing what I'm hearing.... I think we all sort of took a lot of things for granted and one of them was that our government would follow itself, wouldn't start deviating from its original purpose, and this was such a strong deviation that it was kind of appalling to me. And it was sort of the beginning of a lot of deviations in various areas." (p.66)

God and Country are one in the minds of some.

I would think that UMass-Amherst PD cases are, if necessary, prosecuted by DA Scheibel's office.

gvmeabrk wrote:

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Am I the only poster that the city stays the same? Why is that?

My location actually only changes when...well, when my location changes. But it doesn't change to the location where I've gone, if that makes any sense at all. It doesn't to me, so I wouldn't blame you if it didn't.

So what happens when a pregnancy counseling center, sometimes called a problem pregnancy center or something similar, convinces a woman to avoid abortion and carry her child to term and place it up for... what? Adoption?

Well, the part about avoiding abortion sounds nice and moral and all that. But what about the adoption part? Let's see, what are the most expensive adoptions? White children?

So if you made money off of the adoption business - and it is a profitable business - wouldn't you have an interest in supporting groups like Birthright and other so-called pregnancy counseling centers that, in effect, feed your business?

Well, guess who is making money off adoption in western Massachusetts? And in north central Massachusetts? North Quabbin? Northampton? Amherst?

Why do these groups have such an UNUSUALLY INTENSE INTERST IN THE DISAPPEARANCE OF MAURA MURRAY??????????