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Good morning all,

I am glad to see I am not the only one disturbed about reading the new article.
I am baffled that after five years of denying information to the family because Maura's case is an " active criminal investigation" that this DA has the audacity to state that Maura may have wanted to run away! Are they still at square one with this? This makes them look stupid!!!
It just does not make sense, I thought the case was %75 solved?
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sorry meant to write AG, not DA

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It's helpful to have a current statement from law enforcement...although I am also left with the impression that LE does not have answers.

It is understandable that Fred could easily attribute the ineptness of LE to Maura's disappearance...after all, the driver of the car was not located, and therefore, was not assumed to be well and safe after evidence of a collision.

There are pockets of corruption in law enforcement across this nation, but I am unwilling to be so cynical as to shift that kind blame to NH authorities, or to tie Maura's disappearance into the McKay/Kenney matter.

However, it is suspicious to me that NH authorities have been blatently unwilling to engage and work with this distressed family.

Regardless of the past history, or the reason for a breakdown in communication, it would benefit both LE and the family if authorities at every level would willingly, actively and professionally re-engage with Fred Murray, if they have not already done so.
Detective Columbo

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http://news.webshots.com/photo/21870231300988...

In this article Strelzin stated that:

"Potentially every piece of evidence could bi important in the future"

What about the saturn which was offered back to Fred Murray shortly after 2/9/04. What about the fact that the car sat outside Lavoie's garage in Haverhill until impounded by police months later. NHSP impounded the car then because of Fred Murray pursuing his daughters disappearance.

What about the "FACT" that Maura's saturn has been outdoors, not locked inside the impound fence at NHSP Barracks in Twin Mtn NH ever since it was impounded. I wonder how long the Saturn will be parked on the lawn behind the barracks, 7 yrs, 10 yrs, 15 yrs until the case is solved.

The car WAS one of the biggest clues in this case, but LE at one point was just willing to let Fred have it back. I believe LE had their minds made up from the start, abandoned car, nobody there, not found....They ran away on purpose not looking to be found. I'm not saying this could not be the case, but the circumstances around 2/9/04 in Haverhill tell a different story.

If Maura had a plan to ditch the car in Haverhill or close by she would have been prepared. The person at the vehicle was seen getting in and out of the car, lights going on and off, opening the trunk. If this was aplan to disappear It seems as though what occurred at the acc. scene was not part of the plan. She would have been ready to dump the car, jump out get into another vehicle and be gone. Also why dump the car in a populated area when 2 miles down the rd. it is desolate.

There is also a 75% chance that LE was just feeding info to the media and family to take the pressure off them. Let's see them pull a rabbit out of their hats. Magic...it's about the Illusion.

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Sunday Feb 8
 
sophie bean wrote:
Frankly, I would care a whole lot less if there were 2000 Aldens if any "one" of them had a shred of evidence rather than an agenda.
For example:
"Maura's disappearance is directly related to the pro-life movement in western Massachusetts and Connecticut. There are extreme opponents of abortion who are very interested in her case, but not very interested in a public disclosure of what happened to her."
This is NOT fact, although it is stated as fact. There is no shred of evidence that this ha any relevance to Maura's case and is a waste of our time. Bringing the question of abortion into the mix only polarizes people and deflects attention from FACTS. There is ZERO evidence that abortion has anything whatsoever to do with this case. I don't doubt that a paranoia about being watched by these imaginary criminal groups is a "cause" of the multiple personalities, but we are not here to provide counseling for paranoia. We are here to find out what happened to Maura.
Thank you, Snowy, for your thoughtful post.
Sophie Bean ~

I don't blame you at all for doubting, questioning, and disbelieving "Alden's" theory/hypothesis/conjecture.. .or any other.

It is time to establish fact from fiction, whenever possible.

Someone suggested the possibility to me that certain theories/hypotheses seem to have been built from a DESIRED CONCLUSION back to Maura's DISAPPEARANCE, rather than working from the DISAPPEARANCE with supported facts toward an ACCURATE CONCLUSION.

While "Alden's" knowledge is so specific because he has seemingly gathered first-hand information, and may be as close to some sources as he can get, there are also some credibility issues associated with his having a personal "agenda" via certain individuals, groups of individuals or institutions.

So, too, with the McKay/Kenney "agenda".
Those issues may be too generously grouped with Maura's disappearance in the minds of some, and may not accurately reflect any relationship between the two. Another "agenda".

This, only IMHO.
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On Feb 9th 2004 at approx. 7 pm or so a black saturn was found on the corner by the Weathered Barn. This vehicle had apparently been in an accident as there was damage to the front of the car as well as the airbags being deployed. At this point noone is to be found at the scene, but after talking with witnesses it is known to some extent that there was a driver of this vehicle, which we suspect to be female. AND NOW SHE IS GONE FROM THE SCENE..!

So PLEASE tell me why on this night the search for The Driver in the easterly direction went as far as the corner of BHR and Rte. 112. This is a few hundred feet from the place where the saturn came to rest. LE, FD, EMS and Atwood never went east on Rte 112 past BHR nor did they venture up BHR in their search for the driver. EMS was released from the scene in 6 min. of arrival, if there was a possibility of finding the driver why not keep EMS there for awhile longer.

So why did the search for the driver mostly consist west of the acc. scene. It would almost seem as though a witness close to the scene or a passerby saw something and told LE. This could help explain why CS and Atwood only searched to the west. CS also stated " I didn't search much that night because I don't know the area that well" He did get lost on the way to the acc. scene or he went the long way to get there.

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Detective Columbo wrote:
http://news.webshots.com/photo /2187023130098837713hhBRRV
In this article Strelzin stated that:
"Potentially every piece of evidence could bi important in the future"
What about the saturn which was offered back to Fred Murray shortly after 2/9/04. What about the fact that the car sat outside Lavoie's garage in Haverhill until impounded by police months later. NHSP impounded the car then because of Fred Murray pursuing his daughters disappearance.
What about the "FACT" that Maura's saturn has been outdoors, not locked inside the impound fence at NHSP Barracks in Twin Mtn NH ever since it was impounded. I wonder how long the Saturn will be parked on the lawn behind the barracks, 7 yrs, 10 yrs, 15 yrs until the case is solved.
The car WAS one of the biggest clues in this case, but LE at one point was just willing to let Fred have it back. I believe LE had their minds made up from the start, abandoned car, nobody there, not found....They ran away on purpose not looking to be found. I'm not saying this could not be the case, but the circumstances around 2/9/04 in Haverhill tell a different story.
If Maura had a plan to ditch the car in Haverhill or close by she would have been prepared. The person at the vehicle was seen getting in and out of the car, lights going on and off, opening the trunk. If this was aplan to disappear It seems as though what occurred at the acc. scene was not part of the plan. She would have been ready to dump the car, jump out get into another vehicle and be gone. Also why dump the car in a populated area when 2 miles down the rd. it is desolate.
There is also a 75% chance that LE was just feeding info to the media and family to take the pressure off them. Let's see them pull a rabbit out of their hats. Magic...it's about the Illusion.
Columbo
I would do and say exactly what Fred has done and stated.
I would completely doubt the authorities, if I were Maura's father/mother/family on the basis of the appearance of a stalled or inept investigation as evidenced by no result or progress.

On the other hand, there is merit to and necessity in LE's keeping intact their investigative information to maintain the integrity of their findings, so far.

The sloppy disregard for THE key piece of evidence is inexcusable, under any circumstances, IMHO.

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Detective Columbo wrote:
On Feb 9th 2004 at approx. 7 pm or so a black saturn was found on the corner by the Weathered Barn. This vehicle had apparently been in an accident as there was damage to the front of the car as well as the airbags being deployed. At this point noone is to be found at the scene, but after talking with witnesses it is known to some extent that there was a driver of this vehicle, which we suspect to be female. AND NOW SHE IS GONE FROM THE SCENE..!
So PLEASE tell me why on this night the search for The Driver in the easterly direction went as far as the corner of BHR and Rte. 112. This is a few hundred feet from the place where the saturn came to rest. LE, FD, EMS and Atwood never went east on Rte 112 past BHR nor did they venture up BHR in their search for the driver. EMS was released from the scene in 6 min. of arrival, if there was a possibility of finding the driver why not keep EMS there for awhile longer.
So why did the search for the driver mostly consist west of the acc. scene. It would almost seem as though a witness close to the scene or a passerby saw something and told LE. This could help explain why CS and Atwood only searched to the west. CS also stated " I didn't search much that night because I don't know the area that well" He did get lost on the way to the acc. scene or he went the long way to get there.
Columbo
You've asked these questions before. And they are good ones.
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elsewherebriefly wrote:
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You've got a mind of your own, judge for yourself.
Lt. John Scarinza of New Hampshire State Police Troop F said police know Murray had e-mailed her employer she was taking a week off for a family emergency.
"We don't know if Maura is a victim, but the state is treating it as a potential homicide," said Senior Assistant Attorney General Jeffery Strelzin.
Jeffery Strelzin, the head of the state Attorney General's homicide unit, said .........
The defendants have denied the request, citing an exception in the law created by the New Hampshire Supreme Court for law enforcement investigative files.Police and the attorney general's office maintain that the release of other records could result in the destruction of evidence and witness intimidation.
http://www.courts.nh.gov/cstream/index_2006.a...
Sterlzin is quoted on the stand under oath stating there was a 75% chance of a conviction.
I'm too tired and disgusted to find it right now.
Shallotte, I mean Elsewhere,

I wasn't directing my post at you. I just happened to use your post for the quote. I was just commenting on the conflicting statements.

You don't have to be so fresh.
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With the 5-year anniversary coming up tomorrow, I feel we should be just meditating or advocating. However, today I can't seem to stop thinking about signs that someone else was driving the Saturn: the beer can, the cracked-open back window, the way the person was looking (in a flurry of activity?) through the car and trunk for stuff, totally missing the jewelry, whereas Maura would know what she had and where. The replacement light bulbs, the (possible) sign of some kind of burn on a floormat... If the driver walked up 112 to about where the scent trail ended and waited off to the side out of the lights for a ride... that doesn't sound like what someone from out of town in an out-of-the-way place (with no cell service) would do. It sounds like what one party in a criminal duo or trio or whatever would do. In respect for the anniversary tomorrow, I'll stop speculating now. But, like everyone else, I'm hoping for a resolution and I'm hoping to be surprised by some miracle.
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I hope someone can have some coffee tomorrow with John Healy at Dunkin Donuts. I would if I could but I can't. Please go to this meeting someone and report back to us.
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Anniversaries are a marker of time for birthdays, anniversaries, loss of loved ones, etc., we celebrate, and we mourne, we cheer and cry. What will we do for Maura five years after she went missing? We do it every day when we focus on her.
We celebrate when we look at her and see the essence of who she is. We mourn, when we cannot find her and she is torn apart before us. We mourn when we think she ran away, or we think someone abducted her or she committed suicide. We celebrate when we produce a fact, make a probable theory or idea. For someone I never met, I am torn to shreds. I will never stop looking for the real answer as to what happened to Maura Murray. Five years tomorrow is a long time. My heart goes to her family and those who love her.
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Sunday Feb 8
 
WeWii wrote:
Heres a theory.. Maura may have witnessed something(prior, not at the spot of her car) that deemed her to be in the Witness Protection Program. Wild theory, but would explain an awfull lot. Recieved a disturbing phone call(recieved a phone call telling her I will never see my loved ones again),Gone missing(new identity), the phone call to her boyfriend(again never see agin), the rag in the pipe(to throw the investigation off).
There are so many open ends that it make this theory seem plausable.
That might be the stupidest theory every offered about any topic
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Sunday Feb 8
 
Well said Anne.....Thank You
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Sunday Feb 8
 
oo00oo wrote:
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Shallotte, I mean Elsewhere,
I wasn't directing my post at you. I just happened to use your post for the quote. I was just commenting on the conflicting statements.
You don't have to be so fresh.
Murphysboro I mean several O's,

I am sorry if I sounded like I was directing my frustrations at you because I was not.

I was concerned that the statement you quoted may have come across as something I fabricated which was not the case.
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Sunday Feb 8
 
I see a few things things interesting in this case.
1. There is a missing hour of driving time for Maura between Amherst at 4:00 and the accident at about 7:25. She did somehting else with an hour of that time, according to google maps.
2. According to her cell phone service, she got a call from somewhere within 22 miles of a tower in Londonderry at some time during Feb. 9. I wonder if she drove somewhwere else first.
3. There is no logical destination given the other evidence. Even were she going to Bartlett, she was taking an illogical route. As for Stowe or Burlington, she should have taken I-89.
4. Given the low population of the area where the accident occured, there are a quite a high number of convicted sex offenders within a few miles of the accident scene. There is a also a good deal of violent crime in that area, again considering the low population.
5. The cadaver dogs going bonkers in the closet of the A-frame house, and there having subsequently been no seeming testing of the carpet also seems compelling.
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Sunday Feb 8
 
Does anyone have a good theory on why she was headed east on 112? Even if Barlett (as some seem to think) was her destination, that was not the best way to go.

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Sunday Feb 8
 
John wrote:
Does anyone have a good theory on why she was headed east on 112? Even if Barlett (as some seem to think) was her destination, that was not the best way to go.
At first I thought - to get gas - but there have got to be several gas stations along the way.

On taking I89 - yeah - North of White River Junction - the route the car took is not consistent with directions.
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Sunday Feb 8
 
benjamin franklyn wrote:
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Maura was randomly abducted. The chances of this happening are a lot more likely than many of you seem to imagine. Many men that would take advantage of a possibly inebriated, young, good-looking college girl who is trapped with no where to go, especially if she's in their own neighborhood.
This is a good observation. Take a look at the registered sex offender map of the area. That combined with the relatively high number of violent or drug related crimes in the area (compared to the sparse population) make it altogether plausible that Maura was in the wrong place at the wrong time. But WHY? There is no good reason for her to be there given all of her known possible destinations.
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Benjamin Franklyne wrote:
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At first I thought - to get gas - but there have got to be several gas stations along the way.
On taking I89 - yeah - North of White River Junction - the route the car took is not consistent with directions.
Thanks for your response. Even if she was going to that resort in Bartlett (where she called the owners of a condo), there was sitll no reason for her to be going east on 112. I wonder if that call from Londonderry may have drawn her east toward Concord at some point?
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