Where is MAURA MURRAY

Lady Gray wrote:

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Of course conclusions will be drawn from your earlier statement, are you kidding? Don't you see all the directions that conversations take on this forum? People take speculation for fact. Heck, they don't even need speculation.
You say: "I'm just providing information that I've read here or elsewhere..." and, then
You say: "It was said here on this forum. Period."
So, which is it? The reference to Maura Murray's father making such a statement.....was it here on Topix --- or was it elsewhere? <;o)
I have spent 3 1/2 years on Maura Murray's disappearance and this is the ONLY reference I've seen to such a statement, anywhere. At any time. Period.
Today is the 5 year anniversary of Ms. Murray's disappearance. Here's hoping that some are reading that have information to lead to answers.
Five years has been a long time. People know. Please do the right thing.

Benjamin Franklyne wrote:

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Well said.

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Sara wrote:

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I think Maura found herself in trouble late Thursday night 2-5/2-6. She was crying uncontrollably. Who would she go to for help?
Fred has said that he's the one who would help her fix up whatever the problem is. And he showed up (approx) 24 hours after Maura's meltdown.
Great point, timing is just right. My only thought would be if this is what happened, why would Fred let Maura go party with her friends on Sat. night? If Maura was the honorable person I truly believe she was(without personally knowing her), it seems odd she would be drinking with friends less than 2 nights later if they elaborate plan was taking place. Does that make sense?

Johnny Bravado wrote:

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The reason that these theories lead to so many questions that either can't be answered or are incredibly far-fetched is because they don't make sense.

FireCat wrote:

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I don't earnestly doubt that you wish for Maura to be found, Alden. I don't. I know plenty of paranoid schizophrenics who are otherwise totally nice people.(that may sound like a joke. It isn't.)
But seriously. Extreme pro-life agenda? Are you serious?(And now I'm given to wonder. Is THIS why you were thrown off UMass property for the next 24 months? Because it weren't for no damn parking sticker question.)
Because, yeah. I've read all of both forums. There is NO AGENDA ON ANY OF THEM EXCEPT FINDING MAURA.
Please please please tell me you were hoping to include me in that small group of violently masturbatory terrified pro-lifers who love to bomb abortion clinics that allegedly make up the network of Maura Murray's web supporters. Please. Because that would be the funniest damn thing I have ever heard, and I could use the laugh today.
No one doubts the validity of your theory because you have a mental health issue per se, Beags. They doubt the validity of your theory BECAUSE IT HAS HUGE GAPING HOLES WHERE THERE OUGHT TO BE LOGIC. Your reasoning is faulty.
Sure, there's "evidence" of a vast right-wing conspiracy to cover up the "fact" that Maura was murdered for her ovaries. If you're looking through that lens. Because when you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Is there ACTUAL, RELEVANT FACTUAL evidence based on ACTUAL, TRUE HARD PROOF, which comes from ACTUAL REAL LIVE FACTS, rather than a string of bizarre coincidences? Um, not so much.
Vast pro-life agenda. That's a good one. I like it much better than the stolen art ring conspiracy theory, OR the there's something in the water conspiracy theory, OR the illegal sports performance enhancing drugs conspiracy theory.
Why is it you're the only one who thinks there's some sort of vast conspiracy?(even the hit and run theory is only a conspiracy of two or three at most. but geez. yours, as you freely point out, ranges up and down the entire eastern damn seaboard.)

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Mason wrote:

Whatever may have been the driver's motive, I do not believe the accident was staged. The location makes no sense as many others have pointed out, and who in their right mind would risk serious injury by intentionally crashing a car? Bill (WTF) has persuaded me that all of the damage was caused by the accident despite Detective Columbo's counterargument and a previous-accident-nearby theory is too complicated because it requires too many people doing different things at different times.
I do not believe the Saturn was damaged in Amherst and driven to NH to be abandoned because it was too badly damaged to make the trip and I also doubt that it was towed up there to be abandoned and somehow came loose from the tow in the curve at the Weathered Barn. The site of the accident is too far up the road and no one would have been in the car while it was being towed.

I've never believed that Maura was abducted by a serial rapist/killer because the odds against it are overwhelming

I keep returning to my good-samaritan theory. I suspect Maura was pregnant and Billy wasn't the father. I suspect the father wanted her to get an abortion, but she had strong religious beliefs against abortion. I don't believe she felt like she could discuss the matter with anyone she knew and this is why she felt compelled to get away from her daily routine to have time to decide what to do.
Fred Leatherman

Johnny Bravado wrote:

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Sara,
I agree with you that it was unlikely for her to drive up there like that.
For arguments sake, lets say she never left Amherst and someone else took the Saturn up there to make it look like she drove it and ditched it. Well, that leads to a number of questions:
(1) If someone was attempting to ditch her car by faking an accident, why do it on a road with houses and people all over? Obviously they're taking a HUGE chance of being seen by a witness. Why not just drive the car and stage the accident a few hundred yards down the street where it's deserted?
(2) Even if someone had planned to ditch the car by staging the accident, they must have also planned how to leave and get out of there. Most likely they would have had someone pick them up, and it would be in their own interest to make this transition into another vehicle as quickly as humanly possible to avoid being seen. But, instead, they stuck around the car, opening the trunk and (possibly) smoking cigarettes for at least several minutes, and once again took the HUGE risk of being seen.
(3) Since the SBD says it was def a woman in the car, you're basically saying a woman was involved in Maura's disappearance and a woman drove Maura's car to NH and a woman decided to intentionally crash the car and leave the scene, completely undetected.
(4) How do you explain why and how Maura bought several bottles of liquor immediately prior to the drive, some of which was also found in the Saturn?
The more I analyze this case from every single conceivable angle, the more I'm absolutely convinced that the only feasible scenario is that she was abducted. I think many predators would find it irresistible to see a young, good-looking college girl trapped in their own town with nowhere to go and not try and abduct her. It would be the perfect set of circumstances for any potential predator. Keep in mind that it may not be your stereotypical definition of "predator" that abducted her - it could have easily been a clean, crime-free man who just saw an irresistible opportunity.
If Maura was sober, I cannot see her getting into a car with a complete stranger. However, if a car approached with both a woman and a man in it, I think she'd feel much more comfortable, as many people would. However, her desperate situation could have lead her to get into a car with a stranger.
If Maura was buzzed/drunk, it is a possibility that she got into a car with a random guy. I always think back to an article in March 2004 in which one of Maura's closest girlfriends remarked how she was "flirtatious" when she drank. There are many women who get like that when they drink, and they can't control their impulses.

Johnny Bravado wrote:

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Mason,
Firstly, I always appreciate your input.
I certainly think it's reasonable to question whether she may have been pregnant with another man's baby, and that this man wanted her killed. This could also explain the phone call she received in which she started crying, although I still questions whether this phone call has anything to do with her disappearance.
I strongly disagree with the whole nurse picking her up and Maura spilling her guts part though. IMHO.
I was about to type up, "I know that you think she wouldn't have discussed this pregnancy with anyone, but women always disclose something like that to at least one close friend." However, I then remembered the fact that she's engaged. Obviously she would never mention a word of her pregnancy to anyone but the man himself.
Another theory that certainly does NOT get enough attention is that she was using drugs at the time, something addictive like cocaine, painkillers or heroin. She went to NH to see her drug dealer for any number of reasons (to pick up, to pay him, to give/receive anything) and he had other plans in mind. Perhaps he had been planning on abducting her or thought of it impulsively at the time, but it would explain the red truck. Perhaps she was on the way to see him when she crashed, so then she called him and he picked her up. Dozens of theories can branch out after the theory that she went to NH to see her drug dealer. WHY ELSE would she take such a risk, driving a shitty car all the way to the middle of NH? Drug dependency/addiction could induce anybody to do that, and it would explain everything.
And hey, maybe the drug dealer was ALSO the secret boyfriend that impregnated her. What do you think Mason? It's a possibility.
I do disagree with you in the respect that you believe she wasn't abducted. It DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A SERIAL KILLER. I don't know why everyone thinks that it must have been a serial killer. I think a lot of men, many more than you'd think, would try to exploit the opportunity of seeing a stranded, good-looking, drunk college girl with no where to go and desperate for help right in their town. I've said before that it's very possible that a clean, crime-free man may have seen her and took advantage of the situation. It doesn't have to be a child molestor or a serial killer. It's incredibly naive to assume there must have been a serial killer.

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Johnny Bravado wrote:

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The reason that these theories lead to so many questions that either can't be answered or are incredibly far-fetched is because they don't make sense.
Do you know what goes on within the lives of college students? Every single thing that happened in the days leading up to 2/9/04 is COMPLETELY NORMAL for a college student to experience. Ask a random female college senior how many times she's (a) been upset by a phone call,(b) got into an accident, and (c) took a weekend getaway. I can say from experience that the vast majority of college women experience EXACTLY what Maura was experiencing. There is NOTHING abnormal about it. However, if you have the desire to try and find something abnormal about it, as you and Quija obviously do, an infinite amount of reasons or scenarios could be reached.
You're entitled to your opinion, but I'm certain it's inaccurate. Maura drove the Saturn up to NH. You either haven't considered the number of extremely unlikely elements involved with the scenario you believe, or you haven't thought of all of them yet. I'd be happy to bring them all to your attention though. I put a few in a recent post, but I can think of dozens of more reasons.
Is it a coincidence that Fred Murray, along with EVERY SINGLE investigator who have details that none of us know about, all unanimously agree that she drove to NH and was abducted there? Or are they wrong and some random people on an Internet forum with limited, inaccurate information are the ones that are right?

Johnny Bravado wrote:

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Firecat,
I love this post. Gave me a good laugh! Thanks!

Benjamin Franklyne wrote:

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Get your own forum name.

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Snowy White wrote:

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Dawn, I join you in being skeptical, with good reason, of certain proclaimed and shifting identities.
My interpretation of the PM is that someone doesn't like your questions.

Anne wrote:

I will not go 'tit for tat' with you because you know damn well what I mean. I'll give it to you . you sure know how to twist things..goodnight, I sleep well, I don't know how you do.

sophie bean wrote:

Gentle readers - there is shouting (expletives deleted) in my post. If you are not among the many Alden/Beagles, please feel free to SoB.
Beagle: "In fact, I'll bet that a small determined group of posters on this board already know this to be the case and are unnerved by its mention because they themselves are members of the extreme pro-life movement, which justifies any action, including lying, intimidation, and murder, in order to prevent abortion. "
How freaking dare you?
Do you realize the extremity of what you posted? You are accusing members - unnamed, of course - of THIS BOARD, not of loudly disagreeing with you, but of "LYING, INTIMIDATION AND MURDER"!
If I thought for a second that Topix gave a hoot about "abuse" I would report it, but surely they don't.
The gloves have come off, Alden.

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Johnny Bravado wrote:

John,
Det. Columbo is a PI who has been working on this case for years. "weeper" is another PI who is working on the case.
I believe "beagle" is aka "alden" and about 6 dozen other nicknames. A Conspiracy Theorist, he spends his entire life on this forum, trying to get people to believe that there is some sort of connection between the demand for human body parts and Maura's disappearance. He names all sorts of people and companies, but when you look past the articulate rhetoric, you'll realize he's a complete bumbling moron who needs professional help.
Snowy White is a smart person. That's all I know about her.
"propaganda firetruck" aka "mastermind" aka "Thomas jefferson" is a person whose brain can't comprehend the same reasoning as the rest of us. It's best to ignore him and let him believe that he really is some sort of genius, despite his constant irrational remarks.

John wrote:

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Interesting. I was evaluating whether that was a reasonable route by getting google directions and just eyeballing the map. Its a lot longer than 302. Then I read somewhere that someone else had made the same observation. However, if you picked 112 to get to 93 or Barlett in real life, its true that maybe Maura did too. I appreciate the insight.
As for the threatening-ness of that road, that film of her route is during the day. At night in the winter for a woman who it is said did not like to drive by herself and who was supposed in a car suffering recent mechanical problems, just think she would be unlikely to travel a relatively desolate route alone. In fact, I don't think she would have gone up there along.
Thanks again. Hope to hear more of your insights and thoughts.