Where is MAURA MURRAY

Det. Columbo. If you're so dedicated, what is the hole in Regan's alibi?

If you're so dedicated, what role was played by the antiques dealer from Rutland?

If you're so dedicated, how is a fire on Rt. 47 related, indirectly, to Maura's disappearance?

If you're so dedicated, how come you're so scared of investigating the Amherst, MA area, the last place where Maura Murray was known to have been seen alive?

If you're so dedicated, do you have any answers for these questions? Or are you just as empty handed as LE? Because you're recommending psychics to LE and that says you don't know squat.

If it's got so bad that PIs are recommending to LE that LE listen to psychics, then no progress has been made in discovering what happened to Maura Murray.

Detective Columbo wrote:

I being a licensed PI live and work within 15 miles of the acc. scene, in Bethlehem, NH. I was born and raised here. I worked for the Littleton PD about 30 yrs ago and in doing so acquired many friends, both fellow employees as well as local townspeople. I have much respect for LE, but on the same note I am not fond of the hypocritical way in which SOME LE (Worldwide) conduct themselves. In FACT the 2cd. Chief I worked for was fired for misconduct and in shame left town, I wonder where he is working today.
Hence.... seeing I am local and lots of people know me (Not as a detective), Personally, it is very difficult to keep the fact that I am a PI under my hat, so to speak.
So on this note I choose to remain annonymous so as to keep my identity Private. That's why I became a Private Detective.
Thank You.....
Respectfully....
Columbo

WW and Beagle ~
I've only made three trips to Franconia in my life, but I can vouch for Columbo's credibility, if only to the extent that when asked, he introduces himself as the person he describes in this post.
Under the circumstances, he had no reason to be less than truthful.
Others may know him well and can speak with more knowledge and certainty than I.
Of course, I'd assume he was at DD on February 9th, as promised.

WW/Kelly -
I was appalled to see that someone would suggest that you obtained information about Maura's case in the manner she implied.
While she is probably frustrated about the lack of information coming from the investigation, it is not an excuse to make such an ugly, sexist comment. It was beneath her usual dignity.

I have no issues with you, and I suspect a number of people appreciate your energy and work in trying to find Maura in your area.

The one thing about law enforcement in Haverhill, and in Canada, law enforcement are public servants, the office of the District Attorney is responsible for the actions of law enforcement, we have a beast by a different name here, but it is the same.

Of course law enforcement does not have to expose the information regarding a case under criminal investigation, however they are responsible for seeing that a case is managed properly. There are some real and justifiable concerns raised as to the actions of law enforcement. It is up to the District Attorney's office to ensure that all the information is gathered and documented and that law enforcement follows protocols.

No one is above the law, including the law

Interesting post written by Detective Columbo appears at p. 52 of related forum under General Discussion/Sat. 2/21 2PM:

"LE obtained my first 3 posts from the Websleuths forum better than 4 yrs. ago and they are part of the investigation and in the Murray case files. This is part of the info released to Fred Murray through the FOIA. If LE went as far as taking my posts and making them part of the investigation I find it hard to believe that they don't know my identity. NHSP does know my identity, but because this is an ongoing investigation that info cannot be released.

My posts at Websleuths contained theories of "What happened to Maura" as well as "The LE procedure that night" Why do we suppose this was of such interest to LE, maybe because something in those posts are close to the TRUTH or are the TRUTH. Of course they were released to Fred Murray so maybe not.

I called the Murray Family in March of 2004 and offered my help in finding Maura and was told they would get back to me. Also after calling the family I was visited by NHSP and told to stay away from the Murrays. They fed them a lie about me using EXCESSIVE FORCE when I was with the LPD. This is not true and my LE records prove that. If it was true I never would have recieved my PI License. So why did LE want me to stay away? I think that is pretty clear at this point. LE does not like big waves or tsunami's because it rocks the boat.

So after this The Murrays actually found out this was false and tracked me down to help with the case. I came out of the supermarket in Franconia and lo and behold who is standing next to my car "Mr Murray". He asked me if my name was (not shown ) and I said yes. I recognized Fred the minute I saw him and my heart sank because I knew what I had to say to him. "Mr. Murray, I am sorry but I have been told by NHSP not to talk to you because I would be interfering with an investigation." I told him I would definitely like to help find Maura, but I don't want to get arrested. The look on his face is one I will never forget, it is etched in my mind. He got in the car with the rest of his family and drove away. I just wish I had done what I wanted to that day and GOT INVOLVED. Instead it was another month before we would begin our relationship in the quest to find out what happened to Maura. Although all along I was working the case behind the scenes gathering as much info as possible hoping someday to be able to give this info to the Family.

The next time the family got in touch with me, I GOT INVOLVED. I have been working WITH the Murray Family ever since that day and am proud to be part of the group of people trying to find Maura.

Thank You....Columbo"

Mason wrote:

Multiple Post
Someone I shall not name recently posted this message recently regarding his or her opinion of Fred Murray:
“Who knows? Right? I haven't met Fred Murray; I see a grieving father being harshly judged.
Mason hasn't made any claim to know him, either, but believes him to be a "jerk".
Enough is enough. There is a huge difference between saying someone "acted like a jerk" when he did X, versus saying the person is a jerk. I shouldn't have to explain that to you or anyone else, right? I doubt there is a person alive today on the planet that hasn't acted like a jerk at least once. I certainly have and I doubt that you would deny that you have too. This is what I said.
On December 19, 2008, Topix message # 10548, at page 524, I said,
"From what limited information I have available, Sgt Smith did a very good job investigating Maura's disappearance.
Fred Murray came to town determined to teach the "hicks" a lesson and he charged around shooting his mouth off about all the ways they screwed things up when, in fact, he had no basis of knowledge to make a judgment.
Let's face it. He acted like a jerk."

This is all very telling. It has been some time now since Mason suggested FM may be a jerk, and this forum is still up in arms about it. This wouldn't have happened if someone other than FM was called a jerk. Why do people defend FM a hundred times more intensely than anyone else? It's very, very strange.

The Beatles wrote:

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This is all very telling. It has been some time now since Mason suggested FM may be a jerk, and this forum is still up in arms about it. This wouldn't have happened if someone other than FM was called a jerk. Why do people defend FM a hundred times more intensely than anyone else? It's very, very strange.

Are you suggesting that Fred Murray is responsible or guilty in some way for his daughter's disappearance? Yes? or No?

I have had no reason to meet, nor will I likely ever meet Fred Murray...but I regard him from afar as a grieving father.
I am immensely sympathetic to his painful loss, and have no reason to believe he created or facilitated her disappearance.

Accusers, in my opinion, have taken the liberty across this country to invade the privacies of families where stories of intrigue have gone public.
Most recently, George Anthony and his wife in FL have had to beat away angry accusers from their front lawn amidst their sorrow and grief.

Nancy Grace, that idiot, has made a circus of and has profitted from the misfortune of others.
I'd never wish her tabloid-frenzied, focused attacks on anyone.

Regardless of whether George Anthony's mental health issues existed prior to his granddaughter's death, they were obviously exacerbated by the unconscionable torment of strangers...to the point of his near suicide.

While our society seems to condone this public examination of victims and their families...evidently there can be a fine line between helping and harming in these situations.

I might add that the same scrutiny and torment should not be suffered by innocents who may be named and wrongfully accused by the public.
It's a fine line to cross.

Snowy White wrote:

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Are you suggesting that Fred Murray is responsible or guilty in some way for his daughter's disappearance? Yes? or No?
I have had no reason to meet, nor will I likely ever meet Fred Murray...but I regard him from afar as a grieving father.
I am immensely sympathetic to his painful loss, and have no reason to believe he created or facilitated her disappearance.
Accusers, in my opinion, have taken the liberty across this country to invade the privacies of families where stories of intrigue have gone public.
Most recently, George Anthony and his wife in FL have had to beat away angry accusers from their front lawn amidst their sorrow and grief.
Nancy Grace, that idiot, has made a circus of and has profitted from the misfortune of others.
I'd never wish her tabloid-frenzied, focused attacks on anyone.
Regardless of whether George Anthony's mental health issues existed prior to his granddaughter's death, they were obviously exacerbated by the unconscionable torment of strangers...to the point of his near suicide.
While our society seems to condone this public examination of victims and their families...evidently there can be a fine line between helping and harming in these situations.

I am a parent and I have no idea how I would handle the disappearance of one of them.

God forbid, while I'm sure some of my actions would be viewed disfavorably - I would hope that my actions could be more aptly defined, understood AND forgiven as the actions of a desperate parent.

Families in this situation do not need to be further victimized.

NHSP does know my identity,
How would they if you are so HIP ON not
posting under your real name?
Please explain how they would?
Just record Helena was the one who submitted
that information to LE along with information
from MM.
That's ok all WILL HAVE A CLUE right DC cause
making a united front was fair less important than the MALE EGO of whos whos
and pay back.
Your first call to the Murrays noble!
But for you to fuel with your own ego and angery bitter Father to pit neighbor against neighbor
LE against Family and so and so forth down the on down the line you should be a shamed.
I've yet to see two rights make a right but
keep trying your vast efforts after 5 years have simply amounted to hate and anger of a small town and Family a divided a force well needed to help a ONE GIRL your ego couldn't see past pay back to healing and joining.
5 years from now it been the same as your
theory and patterns have yet to do what?
FIND MAURA!
Isn't it time for a change?

Detective Columbo wrote:

From: White Wash
To: Detective Columbo
Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:20 am
Subject: Re: Credentialing
ADDITIONAL RESPONSE BY DET C -- MOVED FROM PREVIOUS TOPIC BY ADMIN
What a surprise!
Sadly I have checked with NHSP/HPD/GCSD none know a DC and
from your rants are glad they don't! Does it come easy having such
an EGO or do you practice at it daily? Bottom line is that any TRUE
PROFESSIONAL HAS ZERO PROBLEMS SHOWING THEIR CREDENTIALING!
GOOD DAY WHOEVER YOU ARE I am D O N E with this child like behavior
of yours so SAD FOR SOMEONE WHO COULD BE PART OF THE SOLUTION
but IS THE PROBLEM!
**********Why I Am Here*****
LE obtained my first 3 posts from the Websleuths forum better than 4 yrs. ago and they are part of the investigation and in the Murray case files.

Fred Murray came to town determined to teach the "hicks" a lesson (post from Mason)

Is this a direct quote from Mr. Murray?? Link please because I don't believe he ever said this!

NHSP does know my identity,
How would they if you are so HIP ON not
posting under your real name?
Please explain how they would?
Just record Helena was the one who submitted
that information to LE along with information
from MM.
That's ok all WILL HAVE A CLUE right DC cause
making a united front was fair less important than the MALE EGO of whos whos
and pay back.
Your first call to the Murrays noble!
But for you to fuel with your own ego and angery bitter Father to pit neighbor against neighbor
LE against Family and so and so forth down the on down the line you should be a shamed.
I've yet to see two rights make a right but
keep trying your vast efforts after 5 years have simply amounted to hate and anger of a small town and Family a divided a force well needed to help a ONE GIRL your ego couldn't see past pay back to healing and joining.
5 years from now it been the same as your
theory and patterns have yet to do what?
FIND MAURA!
Isn't it time for a change?(POST FROM WW)

Time for the FBI as should have been done from the beginning..IMHO

Snowy White wrote:

<quoted text>
Are you suggesting that Fred Murray is responsible or guilty in some way for his daughter's disappearance? Yes? or No?

How would I know? I'm just saying that there are many, many posters here who are interested in defending him. There are many people who defend FM over and over again while also claiming that they don't know him. It's very strange to me that there is such an enormous effort to defend him, while many of these same posters, unlike you Snowy, also attack locals in a manner that is much more harsh than any of the attacks on FM. Many posters, and not everyone, think that it's fine to question the character of the locals, but will defend FM until the end of time. It seems like a game.

The Beatles wrote:

<quoted text>
How would I know? I'm just saying that there are many, many posters here who are interested in defending him. There are many people who defend FM over and over again while also claiming that they don't know him. It's very strange to me that there is such an enormous effort to defend him, while many of these same posters, unlike you Snowy, also attack locals in a manner that is much more harsh than any of the attacks on FM. Many posters, and not everyone, think that it's fine to question the character of the locals, but will defend FM until the end of time. It seems like a game.

thank you for explaining that distinction...

Angel wrote:

Why would one care unless they had something to hide?

*You don't need to see our identification.*
I don't need to see anyone's identification

*Websleuths are not the perps you are looking for*
Websleuths are not the perps I am looking for

*They can go about their business*
You can go about your business

*Move along*
Move along!

gvmeabrk wrote:

Fred Murray came to town determined to teach the "hicks" a lesson (post from Mason)
Is this a direct quote from Mr. Murray?? Link please because I don't believe he ever said this!

No, it's not a Fred Murray quote.

Fred

Mason wrote:

<quoted text>
No, it's not a Fred Murray quote.
Fred

Thank you for your answer.

Just for the record I did no more or less than Bernie Marvin of the Bridge Weekly,Brian Flagg of the NorthCounty,
Gary Lindsay of the Cal Rec. Lorna Calhoun Manchester Union Leader when they interviewed LE.
I simply called HPD was referred to NHSP stated I wasn't interested in the
investigation just wanted to comfirmed
the beginning time lines.
I was granted the interview via NHSP.
Besides appalling to you what about to the LE's families? Seriously we live here
we all know each other. Thank god these wives are
beautiful and talented and view such
low blow comments as just that low blows sadly has become part to the
norm for many who stepped up to
do the right thing.
Comments like those are why people do not make the effort much even what to
talk about this case.
How sad is that MAURA IS MISSING and
instead of a united front it's still
from the First Press Conf. in Bethlem of
Leg lifting pissing contest.
WW/Kelly -
I was appalled to see that someone would suggest that you obtained information about Maura's case in the manner she implied.
While she is probably frustrated about the lack of information coming from the investigation, it is not an excuse to make such an ugly, sexist comment. It was beneath her usual dignity.
I have no issues with you, and I suspect a number of people appreciate your energy and work in trying to find Maura in your area.

I will again post what I'm sure most will find hard to believe:

Just to clairfy a few facts. If one does not follow the procedure similar to that of the "soup nazi", chances are you will not be granted an audience in Haverhill.
Members of the investigative task force themselves have been turned away for simply failing the etiquette of proper sequence when introducing themselves.

True story folks.

And so, with extraordinary curiosity, born from the travails of those most intimately, and directly involved in Maura's case, I will again pose the question:

What did you have to do White Wash?

WHITE WASH wrote:

NHSP does know my identity,
How would they if you are so HIP ON not
posting under your real name?
Please explain how they would?
Just record Helena was the one who submitted
that information to LE along with information
from MM.
That's ok all WILL HAVE A CLUE right DC cause
making a united front was fair less important than the MALE EGO of whos whos
and pay back.
Your first call to the Murrays noble!
But for you to fuel with your own ego and angery bitter Father to pit neighbor against neighbor
LE against Family and so and so forth down the on down the line you should be a shamed.
I've yet to see two rights make a right but
keep trying your vast efforts after 5 years have simply amounted to hate and anger of a small town and Family a divided a force well needed to help a ONE GIRL your ego couldn't see past pay back to healing and joining.
5 years from now it been the same as your
theory and patterns have yet to do what?
FIND MAURA!
Isn't it time for a change?
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White Wash, I really hate to be a party pooper or whatever, but your posting skills leave a whole lot of something to be desired. "I've yet to see two rights make a right" ... what is that supposed to mean? What is "a divided a force well needed"? What is "Murrays noble"?

Did you attend school after the second grade? Didja ever hear of a COMMA? Your posts are so messed up that I can't make sense of them. I get the vitriol and that's it. Maybe that is your only point.