Where is MAURA MURRAY

sophie bean wrote:

Again, if someone is here actually looking for answers about what happened to Maura, that's fine with me. If anyone's purpose here is to make Maura appear guilty of something no matter what, I've got a problem and I will say so. Little "offhand" comments about "copper wire" which are completely irrelevant to discussion, which aren't intended to be helpful in any way - gotta question whether that is looking for Maura or someone dead set to make her look bad.

If, for example, Maura called the ICU to find out Vasi's condition, then that's information that might actually help find her. It might not make her look good, but at least she might get found. Last I knew, that was the point.

You would rather keep her reputation sterling and her fate unknown. But there are others who would prefer her found and don't give a damn about whether she looks bad or did something bad or anything else.

If Maura or someone known to her hit Vasi, yes, it would suck, but that would be so trivial if the use of that information led to her discovery.

You are opposing Maura's having done the slightest thing wrong with her being found. To you, they are incompatible. They are not incompatible. They are not mutually exclusive. If keeping her reputation perfect comes before finding her, then no one does that better than you.

Some people don't care particularly whether she hit Vasi or not, but do believe that if she hit Vasi, it would help find her. Finding her is the point, not whether she hit Vasi, got drunk, robbed a bank, or anything else. Finding her is first, last, and always... with some of us, but obviously not with you. How come, Sophie, what are you hiding?

The only reason to be more concerned about her reputation than about what happened to her is if you know what happened to her and feel so reassured by that knowledge that you can concentrate on her repuatation, especially if that's what keeps her undiscovered. There is no other reason to put her reputation above her discovery. At least, there's no good reason to do so.

Contributors,

Why is it that tolerance seems to be such a very, very rare commodity on this board?

Hitting each other in the heads seems to be so much more fun than actually trying out all sorts of theories in a non-judgmental way in order to get one or two steps closer to what happened to Maura.

Why is it that some people here seem so reluctant to openly discuss the potential importance of Amherst, while some others get mad if NH is being mentioned in connection with Maura?

Not being a resident of either MA or NH and not being connected to either of these states in any way, I find it striking how the two different camps of NH vs MA seem to be at constant loggerheads with each other on this forum.

This kind of animosity only serves to hide the fate of Maura, whatever that may be.

May I make a plea for mutual tolerance on this board without being rapped to pieces???

Unlikely....

Hi Beagle --- You were sure on a roll last night!!!! I need 2 4-packs of Dove Bars to catch up to you! The truth hurts: maybe you and Watching are right that besides the case I'm here for attention. Who knows? ha.

OK -- Saturn did not hit trees beyond snowbank.

Don't know which liquor store Maura bought liquor at. For all we know, she might've dropped part of it off as a gift to a friend before she left twon.

Even though she's said to be frugal, and the liquor's probably cheape in NH I can understand her buying liquor before she hit the highway. Once you're on the road it's more of an inconvenience to make a stop at a state liquor store.

I followed your link the other day and watched lots of tow-truck videos. I liked the one with those pins which can be used on vehicles with metal bumpers only that hooked up in just a couple seconds, no chains or anything. The speed of some repos was really amazing! Wonder if some damage occurred if a perp was trying to quickly tow the car and didn't bother using ALL the right equipment since they were in a hurry?

Beagle --- I don't know what you were talking about last night but for some reason i can't stop laughing. i keep picturing heating Dove bars in light bulbs with copper wire springing out in every direction, each wire, like a branch of an XMas tree, adorned with an ornament made out of ADD meds! Well, you've got my imagination going for sure --- if only i can direct it now to seeing something new and realistic in Maura's case! Actually, the (possible) hurried, improperly-done towing of her car (causing damage) is a new idea for me and it came from those video you linked... are you online now?

quija wrote:

Beagle --- I don't know what you were talking about last night but for some reason i can't stop laughing. i keep picturing heating Dove bars in light bulbs with copper wire springing out in every direction, each wire, like a branch of an XMas tree, adorned with an ornament made out of ADD meds! Well, you've got my imagination going for sure --- if only i can direct it now to seeing something new and realistic in Maura's case! Actually, the (possible) hurried, improperly-done towing of her car (causing damage) is a new idea for me and it came from those video you linked... are you online now?

Up and running.

Posters,

From the old MMM forum I recall a discussion regarding the possible location from which Maura (if it indeed was Maura) might have tried to call her boyfriend Billy Rausch on the Wednesday after her disappearance.

Some poster on the MMM board wrote that at the time (2004) there was some kind of American Red Cross building somewhere on Lake Tarleton, NH, from which Maura cold have made her disputed call to Billy. Apparently this particlar ARC facility is no longer in operation.

Is this information correct? Any ideas?
Thanks!

quija wrote:

Beagle --- I don't know what you were talking about last night but for some reason i can't stop laughing. i keep picturing heating Dove bars in light bulbs with copper wire springing out in every direction, each wire, like a branch of an XMas tree, adorned with an ornament made out of ADD meds! Well, you've got my imagination going for sure --- if only i can direct it now to seeing something new and realistic in Maura's case! Actually, the (possible) hurried, improperly-done towing of her car (causing damage) is a new idea for me and it came from those video you linked... are you online now?

Great image! I'm laughing, too. Probably planted on the edge of Sucker Pond.

Eurobserver wrote:

Contributors,
Why is it that tolerance seems to be such a very, very rare commodity on this board?

There is a long history here, much longer than you realize. There were posters on the MM forum that felt driven off by comments and repeated abuse by a couple of people now on this board. I think that many decided to stop inquiring into certain aspects of the crime because the MM board wasn’t a public board and there were certain sensibilities that needed to be looked at in protocol. This on the other hand is a public board and no one who felt pushed off of the MM board will allow any avenue of questioning to be closed off again. I have seen plenty of tolerance for any specific theory. There is no tolerance for shutting down a line of questioning. That is how it should be.

B

Euro -- it's said that that call had nothing to do with the Red Cross.

Teagle: This site -- you can choose towns in alpha groups --- has a great collection of pics of vehicles with ALL kinds of towing equipment. If the link doesn't work, google image massachusetts apparatus listing. Obviously the fire engines and ambulances aren't relevant.

Off to a funeral.

http://images.google.com/images...

Eurobserver wrote:

Posters,
From the old MMM forum I recall a discussion regarding the possible location from which Maura (if it indeed was Maura) might have tried to call her boyfriend Billy Rausch on the Wednesday after her disappearance.
Some poster on the MMM board wrote that at the time (2004) there was some kind of American Red Cross building somewhere on Lake Tarleton, NH, from which Maura cold have made her disputed call to Billy. Apparently this particlar ARC facility is no longer in operation.
Is this information correct? Any ideas?
Thanks!

Hello Journalista Voice of Conciliation. Can you hear me from America? It's a long way between Hatfield and East Grimstead. I mean Haverhill and East Grimstead.

What's your point about the property records in Haverhill???? If you have one, spit it out. Or is this just a diversionary tactic to keep the focus off Maura? Remember her? What's your point, Lima Bean?

WTF wrote:

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There is a long history here, much longer than you realize. There were posters on the MM forum that felt driven off by comments and repeated abuse by a couple of people now on this board. I think that many decided to stop inquiring into certain aspects of the crime because the MM board wasn’t a public board and there were certain sensibilities that needed to be looked at in protocol. This on the other hand is a public board and no one who felt pushed off of the MM board will allow any avenue of questioning to be closed off again. I have seen plenty of tolerance for any specific theory. There is no tolerance for shutting down a line of questioning. That is how it should be.
B

Yeah, that's kinda what I was trying to say. And will keep saying - very, very, very in their faces. Tolerance for all but intolerance. Way to go, B!

Sorry, Euro, you just came along at a handy time for the purpose of illustration. We've all had to paid our initiation fee in one form or another. Welcome.

Beagle Bart, On the past 10 pages or so there have been about 200 posts. You have made about half of those. You are a prolific poster for sure and wouldn't you agree that you are setting a tone here. I thought you might want to see some of the words you have used toward other posters:

petty remarks
catty insults
deviates from
old party line
if you get slammed
turbulent venue
snickering
inuendo
junior high school stuff
Maura's being drunk
slamming is a kind of validation
It's like GPS

It appears to me that although you have used these words toward other posters, you might want to look closer to the fact that this is what you are doing. In my opinion you have a goal of divide and conquer. We have strayed far from discussing where Maura is and what happened to her whether in Amhearst of Haverhill.

Would you stop talking about meth, I'm gonna cry. J/K you meanie! I want to talk about the cost of gas here like you might. Why don't YOU just make your point a little more clear for the class. I see you've been talking with the tongue in cheek lady....I find that very amusing. For everyones information BeagleFart is eluding to an an email I was sent saying what a pain in the ass I am with all my innacurate chatter, etc.

So what did I do after that? I came on and cried like the baby that I am, I admit that and some people know just what to do to hurt me and make me leave. But I'm back to talk about Maura, not meth, not you and not me, unless I'm trying to relate to a situation.

Why'd you throw in the bit about the Blaine airport though? Why pick on lil ole me anyway?

Now I'm involved in bringing in Jets or something to the Blaine airport.

OLD NOTE wrote:

We did look into the possibility that (if able to do so) Maura might have made it to a public phone the next day and attempted to make a call with that damn calling card...but logic dosen't play well that she would be calling Billy before her dad or the police....makes no sense to me at all. The closest public phone back then (2004) was at a big ugly yellow store (long since closed now) west of the "aleged accident scene" past the store that's still there now....again, why not go inside the closest store?? and where would she have been all thru the night until after 5:00 AM the next morning...hiding in the woods??? No, I don't believe this at all.

Don't be fooled (as a lot are on this Forum) at the notion that two or more people are involved in this disappearence and that one of them couldn't be a female.....as being to far-fetched....

just me, I agree with you.

paris...stay in the game girlfriend, we need you.
Maybe if we click our heels three times we'll be back in Kansas.

I want peace as much as anyone else. I apologized weeks ago on the MMM board and received a heap of insults as a result, but I apologize again now. I apologize for all the offensive things I've said. Who else will step up to the plate, apologize for their offenses, bury the hatchet, and get on with the task at hand? No more arguing, no more bullying, no more bickering. Any takers?

I'll even give out pieces of my tin foil hat as an incentive.

BeagleBart wrote:

I want peace as much as anyone else. I apologized weeks ago on the MMM board and received a heap of insults as a result, but I apologize again now. I apologize for all the offensive things I've said. Who else will step up to the plate, apologize for their offenses, bury the hatchet, and get on with the task at hand? No more arguing, no more bullying, no more bickering. Any takers?

I will. Now here's something too:

Bill Rausch said he heard what he believed to be whimpering and crying.

However, Scarinza said that angle has been eliminated because investigators traced the calling card to the American Red Cross officials who had been attempting to contact Bill Rausch.

There also is the mysterious phone call Murray received while working as a security person at a residence hall at the UMass Amherst campus Feb. 5.

The call reportedly reduced Murray to tears and her supervisor had to take her home because she was so distraught.

UMass Detective Davies said his department has been able to track the phone call.

"We know the location," Davies said. "We have not been able to identify to whom she was speaking. Her friends have no idea who called her."