Where is MAURA MURRAY

Shack wrote:

Quija...NO...I never said/wrote anything even close to anything about choices of books..
this time I am not to blame....
And...I don't like the words veggie and belly
button....

You don't like the word belly button? Even though it's two words? Seriously?

How....odd. I guess it really does take all kinds!

RANDOM NERD ALERT: the medical name for your belly button slash navel is oomphalos. Swear to goodness, yo.

So when I call someone an omphaloskeptic, I am being rude. Just to clear that up.

Anne

Judged:

FireCat wrote:

<quoted text>
It was most certainly NOT a lack of interest. It was a level of pain that kept them from posting. The immediate nuclear family (parents, siblings) were and remain VERY interested in finding Maura, however that is done. But maintaining or even posting to a forum--even a monitored one that had much less random weirdness than this one (and I'm not talking about "differing theories" I'm talking about some of the out and out strange behaviour that goes on here!) is simply too painful for immediate family members and close friends.
It's a kind of pain that none of us who have not endured the unexplained disappearance of a loved one cannot possibly comprehend. There is no closure, there is no healing, and every day is just like the first day, with no answers.
It is not, I repeat, a lack of interest. "Interest" doesn't even enter into the equation. I'm talking about sheer emotional inability to cope with the project. The emotional toll on Helena, a distant relative who never met Maura herself (since I believe she married into the family after Maura disappeared) was enough that she ended up ill and in a coma for several weeks.
It's not that they're "not interested." They just can't.

Firecat, A couple years following Maura's disappearance,(I had previously met her sister, Kathleen) I invited her and then fiance to our home. We had a good visit for several hours and I was struck by the fact that they followed the news very little and not the forums at all. I 'pulled' up the song and Kathleen listened twice while she cried.

Dawn

Dawn wrote:

Beagle
In your round about way - are you trying to tell us in a riddle you were adopted?

Dawn

Anne
I am really surprised by that about the song. She knows the family friend. The friend even sang at the first memory service. Kathleen would have known her too. There are several articles that mention Kathleen holding the boom box playing the song. That is how I orignally found the song. I didn't have my sound on all that time going to the forum. I had a headset on for training - and the song was on mm the whole time.......... I cried.

Suzanne

Judged:

FireCat wrote:

<quoted text>
The emotional toll on Helena, a distant relative who never met Maura herself (since I believe she married into the family after Maura disappeared) was enough that she ended up ill and in a coma for several weeks.
They just can't.

Helena was very near death and I despair when I hear you say that her very serious illness, coma and near death was caused by that lovefest of a forum. The MMM forum was very loving, respectful and supportive of the Murray family and absolutely idolized Helena. Not one controversial or negative word was ever allowed on the MMM forum. Helena never met or even laid eyes on MM and she only met Fred after Maura went missing. She had almost no contact with the Murray family. Her personal emotional involvement with the Maura case was tangential. Are you suggesting that it is the posts that we were not allowed to see that brought her to near death? Are you saying she was that fragile? If so I find that patronizing. Helena is an adult, don't infantilize her. I for one, was very shocked to hear of her illness and I was much relieved to read her interview on the occasion of the 5th aniversary, it implied for me that she was on the road to recovery. I am very thankful for that.

Suzanne

quija wrote:

<quoted text>
Katy Couric almost quit her job over having to utter the word "phlegm". I don't like the word "mature". Or "blossom" or "bloom", even though I could pass out from the beauty of a flower. Also "poignant" and "pert" and "intestate".

Intestate always sounded to me like it had something to do with intestines or possibly testicles.

Anne

Judged:

Yes Dawn, she had heard the song but did not know it was on a site.

Dawn

I didn't mean to offend you.

I just know she knows of the song.

I myself, would not be comfortable playing something so personal for someone.
That would be only for JB to do.

I wouldn't even play for my sister - who it fits with my brother in law. I just sent a copy. I knew it would be too painfull..........

FireCat

Judged:

Dawn wrote:

Anne
I am really surprised by that about the song. She knows the family friend. The friend even sang at the first memory service. Kathleen would have known her too. There are several articles that mention Kathleen holding the boom box playing the song. That is how I orignally found the song. I didn't have my sound on all that time going to the forum. I had a headset on for training - and the song was on mm the whole time.......... I cried.

She probably cries every time she hears it, Dawn. Anne didn't mention that it was the first time she'd heard it, unless I've misread.

Suzanne

quija wrote:

<quoted text>

Just read a book by James Renner called "Amy: My Search for her Killer".

Thanks I just placed it on my tonight's Amazon book order list.

Dawn

Judged:

Suzanne~

What ? I don't care if she knew her or not. She married into the family. Of course she would not have met Fred. Who knows where they even lived? The fact she took on getting the forum out there. Most people here would not be here or the word about Maura reached across the country. I think it would be far to painfull for sister, mother etc to read the horrid things on her.

If they did - as I said before - would end up in court. So be thankful you have had the forum and I hope you don't get sick or a family member........

FireCat

Judged:

Suzanne wrote:

<quoted text>
Helena was very near death and I despair when I hear you say that her very serious illness, coma and near death was caused by that lovefest of a forum. The MMM forum was very loving, respectful and supportive of the Murray family and absolutely idolized Helena. Not one controversial or negative word was ever allowed on the MMM forum. Helena never met or even laid eyes on MM and she only met Fred after Maura went missing. She had almost no contact with the Murray family. Her personal emotional involvement with the Maura case was tangential. Are you suggesting that it is the posts that we were not allowed to see that brought her to near death? Are you saying she was that fragile? If so I find that patronizing. Helena is an adult, don't infantilize her. I for one, was very shocked to hear of her illness and I was much relieved to read her interview on the occasion of the 5th aniversary, it implied for me that she was on the road to recovery. I am very thankful for that.

That's not what I'm suggesting at all. I am relaying what I have been told by Helena herself--that her illness was brought on, in part, by the emotional stress of being so involved in maintaining the site and acting as a sort of point person in the search for Maura, which she did in addition to her duties as a full-time employee, mother, and wife.

And she is indeed on the road to recovery, for which I'm also very thankful.

I don't understand why people seem to judge Helena for not having ever met Maura, when many who post here also never met her. In the time since Maura's disappearance, she has obviously grown quite close with several members of the Murray clan, in addition to the Murray to whom she is married.

Dawn

Judged:

She did not know that her OWN picture was on a website - www.mauramurray.com ?????????? You got to be kidding right ?

I think they all know about www.mauramurray.com

FireCat

Suzanne wrote:

<quoted text>
Intestate always sounded to me like it had something to do with intestines or possibly testicles.

Hahahaha! So true.

quija

Concord, MA

In a way it's good we have this (hopefully brief) "downtime" with no new information to clear up real or imaginary past insults. Shack, i swear you posted that comment right after i mentioned the book, "The Shack", tho I could be wrong. EXCELLENT LESSON for doing a "timely" (hate that word) reality check before harboring a grudge. Stuff like this (as Mason said earlier) does make a person wonder how much of what we think and express here is projection.

Suzanne --- i agree about the word "intestate". The worst part about it is that it doesn't seem to indicate a "normal", uh, situation.

Suzanne

Firecat I stand by my words 'no interest in'. See Anne's post above. If I were in their shoes I don't know if I would contribute to a forum or not but I do know that Sharon whom I consider to be a close family member was very helpful despite being totally devastated by Maura's disappearance, doubly so for herself and for her son.

Suzanne

Dawn wrote:

Suzanne~
What ? I don't care if she knew her or not. She married into the family. Of course she would not have met Fred. Who knows where they even lived? The fact she took on getting the forum out there. Most people here would not be here or the word about Maura reached across the country. I think it would be far to painfull for sister, mother etc to read the horrid things on her.
If they did - as I said before - would end up in court. So be thankful you have had the forum and I hope you don't get sick or a family member........

Why thank you Dawn for your sweet concern for my family. They are wonderful and loving and I will pass your words of concern on to them.
FYI Helena lived in Weymouth very near Fred and they had never met. Yes Helena was responsible for getting the word out about Maura. Thank God. Greta, Nancy etc spent month after month after month after month on the same missing person but on Maura almost nothing. I never understood why Maura did not get the media attention she deserved

Dawn