Where is MAURA MURRAY

Lady Gray

thank you. I just sent an email to the moderator - letting them know I would like to send funds. I can't do much - however I will send 100.00 for now.

Another "accidental" death....

On Tuesday, June 3, 1997, at about 3 p.m., investigating state police officers found the bodies of two prominent ufologists in a campground in northern New Hampshire (N.H.).

The bodies of George W. Perry, 50, of East Providence, Rhode Island and Keith Begnoche, 22, of Blackstone, Massachusetts were found in a tent at the Dolly Copp Campground, located off Route 16 in Pinkham's Grant, N.H. Relatives of the dead men called the police on Monday after Perry and Begnoche failed to return from their weekend camping trip to Mount Washington.

Read this link for more info on circumstances:
http://keelynet.com/energy/perry.htm

Dawn wrote:

Canada Travel
here is some interesting info going back to 04 regarding crossing the canadian border. Looks like by boat is different - similar to a cruise I believe.
it does appear citizenship has been a requirement - birth cert, passport
Again - the reason we are looking into this to see if it was POSSIBLE Maura went to Canada.
I do not think so.
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cbpmc/cbpmc_22...

I travel to Canada on a pretty regular basis--several times a year, and have always travelled there since being a kid--at least several times a year--soemtimes monthly. Until recently, most times I was simply asked where I was going, what I was going for, and how long I'd be there. It was actually coming back into the US that created the problems--they sometimes owuld search the car, go through my luggage, ask for an ID. Now it requires a passport, but until recently it was very easy to go in and out wihtout showing an ID or birth certificate for the most part. I typically cross at the Derby line--Derby VT. Rte 91.

WTF-the-original wrote:

I'll throw this into the mess also. I know that we were told that my mother in law could not go into Canada because she didn't have a birth certificate. She was born out of the country and came here when she was about 8 months old. So - no birth certificate. They said we needed to get her naturalization papers. It was hell trying to get her records of her naturalization from around 1930. Took a year as I remember. This was prior to 9/11.
Bill

Wow Bill, my sister told me to bring my birth certificate and I am sure I brought it I just don't remember the actual exchanges on the occasions I drove through the border. Well, except for the last time.........lol.

Lady Gray wrote:

<quoted text>I had a dentist several years back....she committed suicide by injecting herself in the throat with novacaine ......you made me remember this. It was horific and surprise to many. Very sad.

One of your success stories?

Dentist can no longer endure pain after harassment by vigilantes?

Victims' advocates: the new vigilantes?

One could always cross the border in the woods someplace, very easily.

yankee wrote:

One could always cross the border in the woods someplace, very easily.

Not a long ride from the Moosehead Lake area to Canada.

Dawn wrote:

Thanks Bill. Living 5 minutes from the Border - I went across the border at least 3 times a month. All the agents knew me but I always had to show citizenship - drivers license can be obtained with a green card or a traveling visa. It only shows you are legal to drive - does not say you are a citizen of the USA

I only ever had to show my driver's license, right up until the last time I visited Canada in 1997. This was driving up 395 through Colville. Don't know if that would have made any difference (it's not exactly a major thoroughfare)

Dawn wrote:

I have asked MANY questions that go ignored on how we can help from afar. Sad.. but I never get a reply. I am happy to send funds to help with the search.

Your questions haven't been ignored. I simply haven't yet received an answer. If and when I do, I will pass it on to you.

Beagle wrote:

Dentist can no longer endure pain after harassment by vigilantes?

Ah, the kettle speaketh.

Dawn wrote:

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Wowzer
You have always needed a birth certificate. I lived in a border town. It was not until RECENTLY you need a passport. You have always had to show citizenship. It was the same for Mexico. This has been the case since 2000 when I purchased my home. After 9/11 even more so - which of course was prior to 2004.
what border crossing do you think she would have passed through. I am happy to contact them.

I haven't been to CA for about two years but before that I liked to shop in the huge mall they have and I also liked visiting the Granby Zoo.
I never had to show a birth certificate and just once was asked to show a license with a picture.
I was asked where I was going, what I was planning to do and how long I was staying. That's it! I do believe it's finally gone through recently that you do need a passport now to go over the CA border.
How strange that you have always had to show citizenship to cross over.

Dawn, So sorry I did not check this site earlier and hopefully not to beleagure the points about Kathleen, let me be clearer. I did not know Kathleen or family prior to Mauras disappearance. I have been very involved since and have become acquainted and friends. My computer was on the mmm site and Kathleen asked me if the song was there to play. It is difficult when we are not talking person to person here but I hope you know I think you make a great contribution to this site and are our resident cell phone expert! As they say......movin'on!!

Dawn wrote:

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I have never gone by Half Moon......... That is a new one. My name is Dawn - my given name - that is what is one my drivers license.
Ask Advocate or Quiji or even Fred - this is the only forum and advocates I have ever posted on. I came to this site after Cnn. You can go back and see that is the date/timeline I started posting. It was the article that showed her running.
Also - AGAIN - it was Johnny choice to PM me - which he has. I did not aske him to email and if he chooses to ask and do so. It really is not any of your business. Have a sparkling day

Unless they are longtime friends how would Advocate, Quija or Fred know that this is and advocates forum are the only forums you've ever posted on?
Dawn please go back and read post 15627 on pg 776 and stop bringing this PM /IP crap up again and again. You are making it my business by bringing it up all the time on replies to me. Get over it!!!

Dawn, Anne is truly one of the good ol' guys.
She was on the First Forum when I joined up.
We have met several times and have spent hours
together. NHJane and Silky were also one of the
first...Anne says it like it is, and is and has
been devoted to helping the Murray family in any/every way she can.

Dawn wrote:

Wowzer
I have not asked you to PM me nor do I plan too. Life is all about choices. We are all adults here. I think you should let Johnny speak for himself.

Miracles do happen. Thank you for not putting me in a postion where I would have to be rude and refuse to PM you.
I think someone is becoming obsessed with this PM thing. Again read my post on pg 776 #15627 and my more recent one.

Wowzer wrote:

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I haven't been to CA for about two years but before that I liked to shop in the huge mall they have and I also liked visiting the Granby Zoo.
I never had to show a birth certificate and just once was asked to show a license with a picture.
I was asked where I was going, what I was planning to do and how long I was staying. That's it! I do believe it's finally gone through recently that you do need a passport now to go over the CA border.
How strange that you have always had to show citizenship to cross over.

Wowzer ~
in years before 9/11, our family traveled to Magog, Montreal and Toronto for hockey tournaments, and we experienced the same process at the border as you have.
we'd bring our birth certificates, but never offered, nor were we asked to produce them.
the agents were sometimes quite casual, and rarely, more interrogative and thorough.

One of our favourite family stories involves me taking my sister up to BC for lunch while she was visiting. When we got to the border, she was the one driving my old Volvo station wagon. A few friendly questions, where are you going, what are you doing, that sort of thing. The last question was, "Are there any guns or weapons in the car?"

And my brilliant sister smiles at the border patrol and says sweetly, "I don't know, it's her car." Turns to me and says, "Are there any guns in the car?"

Poor border patrol guy couldn't stop laughing at my outrage...I think I might have even smacked her on the arm...."You two are sisters, aren't you?"

Um, gee. How did you guess.

Firecat,

On one of my less memorable passes through I was once asked if I had more than $10,000 in cash with me....lol.

I wish!