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Suzanne

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Mar 11, 2009
 
sophie bean wrote:
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Therefore, a new government agency where one already exists to serve precisely the same function is REDUNDANT.
The sole function of some government agencies is survival, one of the ways they do this is to metastasize.
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Mar 11, 2009
 
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I never said LE has a responsibility to inform us of anything. But surely her family knows the name of the gallery. And Dawn and someone else from here tried to find out but got nowhere.
I did try but didn't get very far.. I don't think it would be that hard. If I lived there. I would just walk in casually and ask .

If I ever make it out there......... doubt it. But If I do.. I will plan to make to Amherst and Haverhill if in the area.

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Dawn wrote:
I am tending to think the full moon is in Leo.
am I right fellow leo snowy? this is a weird one. even at work people are on edge.
I could use a riddle.
Or actually - did anyone save all those links that OMO/Beagle posted about Chaput? I would like to go over those now.
Hope everyone is safe and sound........ sorry If I have been a bit defensive......... they are doing another round of layoffs and we are on pins and needles. off topic..but DAMN scary
warning: off-topic

who, moi? the moon?!? seemed like it was quite full a week ago??!

off-topic:

welcome to the real world of corporate greed/welfare at the top, the unions in the middle, and entitled slackers at the bottom. they've all consumed more than our share of our immediate and future prosperity.

outrageous.

the rules have changed; education, work ethic, loyalty, and even finesse are irrelevant to personal economic security.

outrageous.

manufacturing has sustained and held its losses over many years. but that was "them" and not "us". now it's "us", too.

outrageous.

we serve our civil servants; by union representation they've demanded and have locked in better deals - do they work harder or better than you do?

we're bleeding better be outraged.

save us, Tim Geithner.
Suzanne

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Mar 11, 2009
 
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I did try but didn't get very far.. I don't think it would be that hard. If I lived there. I would just walk in casually and ask .
If I ever make it out there......... doubt it. But If I do.. I will plan to make to Amherst and Haverhill if in the area.
Galleries are one of my natural habitats, if I lived near Amherst I would definitely hit every gallery in town, thus combining business with pleasure. It is probably the only way to get the info, although with the current HIPAA laws people may be reluctant to share this information.
Beagle

Amherst, MA

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Mar 11, 2009
 
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Ahhhhhh!
...goes the crowd after the ball field version of shock and awe.

On Topix, fireworks are like sex - they sell. Advertising.
Beagle

Amherst, MA

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Mar 11, 2009
 
Mason wrote:
"WW, stated on this forum that he [SBD] was likely told to change his story regarding the driver of the Saturn's sobriety, however she refuses to elaborate on her statement."
As I've said before, police know better than to tell a witness to change his story. That is a crime in every jurisdiction and I doubt there is a police officer in the country that doesn't know that.
On the other hand, witnesses generally want to help LE and to varying degrees they will pick up on non-verbal clues and adjust their recall to comport with what they think the police want to hear or expect to hear. They don't even think that's a form of lying. Yet, they do it and this behavioral characteristic has been identified as one of the causes of mistaken eyewitness identifications and wrongful convictions of innocent people.
The SBD appears to be guilty of adjusting his recollection to please, or not offend the person asking questions. He's probably so mixed-up now that he isn't sure what's true and what isn't. This is bad news for everyone because he is the only witness who saw and spoke to the driver.
In a way, though, he's more honest than most witnesses because he has admitted that he isn't certain. Witnesses who are certain often are mistaken. I prefer the former to the latter.
We have accept his uncertainty and rely on the rest of the evidence to reach a conclusion. As I've also said before, we should pose the question this way.
If Maura wasn't the person behind the wheel, who was? We don't necessarily have to name that person to answer the question, but we do have to identify that person by function. Was she a co-conspirator assisting another person to abduct Maura, for example?
Therefore, to identify this person by function, we need a theory and, to be viable, a theory must be consistent with the known evidence. The PIs are working on a theory involving a Maura abduction from the scene of a previous accident within 3 miles of the accident past the Weathered Barn. This theory will not fly unless the damage sustained by the Saturn could not have occurred at the site where it was found. The PIs say they have an expert who says there must have been a previous accident. The police do not agree.
Without photographs and measurements from the accident scene, we lack sufficient information to reach a conclusion. We have opinions and beliefs, but we cannot say with a high degree of certainty that they are anything more than guesses at this point.
And, so it goes ...
Or, if you had the opportunity, you could just talk, in person and confidentially, to someone who saw both cars in the first place. What a concept!
Beagle

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Mar 11, 2009
 
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Also know her her friends, acquaintances, colleagues, co-workers. We can't even find out the name of the gallery Maura worked at.
Actually, if you go about it the right way...

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Mar 11, 2009
 
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Granted, they're trying to impress a jury......
This is just a little bit of banter I was refreshed to read in between my work.

Its 100% in good fun - and I hope it will be taken as such.
Beagle

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#16455
Mar 11, 2009
 
Mason wrote:
Well, I've suspected for a long time that Sophie Bean hates Ralph Nader and now I have proof.
Her own words convict her far more eloquently than anything I could ever say.
Grab the children and protect their ears!
She said,(gasp)
someone has a "neaderthalish mindset."
Convict, indeed. Just look at the results of the 2000 Presidential election in Florida. And those who led Nader's campaign in the SunBiz state.
Beagle

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Mar 11, 2009
 
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Wait, what? It's a FACT that I'd make a good Nazi? You don't know me at all, then, White Wash. Or are you referring to other parts of that post?
One of the simplest reasons I'd make a lousy Nazi is that I dislike following orders. Oh, and I also have this little thing known as a moral compass. I've worn the plastic handcuffs for participating in non-violent protest. Yesterday I taught a lesson on Mohandas K. Gandhi, for fooksake. A good Nazi? It would be laughable if it weren't so horribly, grossly offensive to so many people.
Steam em up, get em out.
Suzanne

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Anne wrote:
FIT (what is that?) or MMM (what is that?)
FIT and MMM are essentially the same. They concentrated almost exclusively on the approx. 4000 sq. ft. surrounding the accident scene. They mercilessly trashed SBD, CE, CW, Haverhill LE, NH state police. At one point in time they even had SBD's girlfriend and his aged mother complicit in his nefarious deeds. They thoroughly discouraged all discussion of Amherst. They studied the dents in the car until I wanted to puke. I never posted there, so had no personal axe to grind. I was the fly on the wall, objective observer. Sharon was the only one allowed to provide us with some information on Maura as a person. I learned much from her, thank God for Sharon. I agree we should move on but remember Santayana; Those that cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
Beagle

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Mar 11, 2009
 
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Yes and thank God for Defense Attorneys we all love to hate them but I know a young man who was imprisoned at age 18 for a crime he did not commit, he was released after 22 years in prison having spent over half his life in prison. The reason 1. Homophobic jury 2.Overzealous, lying, cheating prosecution 3. brain dead defense attorney.
Happens much more often than people realize. If the state were not made to prove its case at least some of the time, it wouldn't bother the rest of the time.
Beagle

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The Web Whisperer wrote:
It has NEVER been stated as a fact that FM did not want Amherst looked at. It might have been speculated by many that this is true, but it IS NOT TRUE. LE including The FBI and U-Mass Police have all the info about Amherst, Hanson, Haverhill, etc. You are not working with all the info required and ad-libbing the rest. It might fit but it isn't the true facts.
They, LE, have ALL the info about Amherst? And Naugatuck/Waterbury/Middlebury and Brattleboro? LE has ALL this info?

Your whispers are the whispers of lies and disinformation deliberately designed to keep the truth from surfacing.
The Web Whisperer

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Mar 11, 2009
 
Oh Mr Beagle you are so wrong
The Web Whisperer

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Mar 11, 2009
 
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sophie bean wrote:
"I'm sorry that you don't like being lied about" is still not an apology.
"I'm sorry that I said that about you without checking the source or having any idea if it was true" would be an apology, which has not been forthcoming to date.
You are correct in saying that you considered it an apology. However, the fact remains that the party wronged needs to feel that it is a genuine apology, and I do not.
Now, this is a forum about Maura Murray's disappearance, a subject which is clearly of no interest to you. Let me be the first to request that you tuck your little tail between your little legs and slink back to your usual haunts.
At least I offered one up, if you think I'm going to grovel and kiss your ass, I will both be dead and buried before that ever happens. I don't grovel or kiss anyones ass.

I checked and verified my information with 3 different sources,(at the time whom I had absolutely no reason to doubt and whom I did in fact have contact with outside of these forums), that's 2 more than most of the bullshit (including yours) I see posted as "fact" in any of these forums.
Beagle

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Mar 11, 2009
 
Mason wrote:
I've already said sexual preference is irrelevant.
It's a matter of personal choice and no one should be judged positively or negatively based on the choice they make.
End of subject.
No, it's not, by any means, the end of the subject.

I am not trashing, in any way, shape, or form, homosexuals. But it is wrong to claim that homophobia is no longer an issue - even on college campuses like UMass.

Just RECENTLY, a UMass student was arrested for beating - beating!- a person he suspected was gay. Overall, Massachusetts may be the most liberal state in the country, but that doesn't mean that bashing gays does not exist here. Unfortunately, here in liberal, tolerant Massachusetts - even in more liberal and tolerant western Massachusetts - homophobia is very much a fact of life, a disgusting and sad fact.

Therefore, if Maura had a couple of lesbian friends, who perhaps are themselves of some relevance, and if Maura, because of a homophobic climate that STILL DOES EXIST in many quarters, felt that she had to keep mum about her lesbian friends, then the fear of being ridiculed because of the nature of her friendships might explain SOME of her general reticence and reclusiveness.

Keeping a secret, such as having secret lesbian friends, is something that may have been used against Maura.

However, the deliberately extreme distorting of what I wrote previously about Maura having lesbian friends tells a story of another kind of phobia - an extreme fear of the truth.
Beagle

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Mar 11, 2009
 
The Web Whisperer wrote:
Oh Mr Beagle you are so wrong
How so?
Beagle

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Mason wrote:
I don't believe homosexuality, bisexuality, heterosexuality, multiple sex partners, open relationships, cross-dressing, sex changes, or any other consenting sexual practices are relevant unless they formed part of a motive to harm Maura or they figured in her decision to leave Amherst. I haven't seen any evidence of that and do not suspect that I will.
This reminds me of when I stopped at a gas station on the North Shore (MA) to ask for directions to town about 10-20 miles away. The clerk looked out the window, trying to see the town I needed directions to, but couldn't give me directions because she couldn't see the town from the cash register.

Can you see Amherst from Paducah?
Beagle

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Mar 11, 2009
 
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Didn't you point out that a different track coach assisted Maura to transfer mid-year into UMass? I've been thinking there were two coaches with one replacing the other after Maura stopped competing due to an injury that never really healed before she got too busy with nursing school. The more recent coach may not have known her.
Am I making any sense, or did I dream this up?
Fred
She didn't take enough nutritional supplements? Or took too many? As advised by her physical "therapist?"
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