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Where is MAURA MURRAY

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Suzanne

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#17957
Mar 25, 2009
 
"New" meaning started last month in February.
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<quoted text>No, I don't think any of that was ok, being dragged through the mud, etc. I feel bad about the whole thing, angry even. I can see the problem from all sides now.... Each person has valid points, complaints...and some with each other. And no one is really wrong except the ones who did not hesitate to insult or trash someone knowly.
Thank you Paris for having an open mind. Your words are appreciated.
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#17959
Mar 26, 2009
 
Was it Maura in the car?

The Eyes for Lies Blog (eyes for lies . blog spot . com),{ignore the spaces, added those so topix won't goof the site,} there's a link to the 60 Minutes feature that aired a couple of weeks ago. It shows how eye witness testimony can be way off because of certain circumstances causing our memory to be very inaccurate. Fascinating stuff.
Eyes for lies is a blog by a person that reads facial expressions to determine if a person is lying.
quija

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There is no evidence of foul play (as far as I know) and I regret the years of speculating about the Rt. 112 neighbors who were good enough to come forward as witnesses.

I regret that the idealized image given to us of Maura didn't seem "real" since we all have flaws. It's too bad that being fed this image for years caused many of us to seek out the facts of Maura's life, as well our wide range of scenarios. Had we been given a truer image of this bright, beautiful athlete, we might not have been forced to continue with often wild and hurtful speculations. It appears one reason we were fed this idealized image was to keep us from even considering that Maura might have run away or taken her own life.

How many snippets of information (e.g., blood in the A-frame house) that had nothing to do with Maura (apparently) were dropped on us to keep us focused on evil goings-on in the area or a serial killer? There seems to be a huge whitewash here!!!(Sorry WHITE WASH!) And I would blame the whitewashing for bringing out our human nature --- looking for facts.
White Wash

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#17961
Mar 26, 2009
 
Bridgewater?
Where is that?
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Top of page 6. In Bridgewater. First call on page 6.
White Wash

Lebanon, NH

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#17962
Mar 26, 2009
 
Oops sorry Beagle I voted to skip the link!
Feel free to SROLL ON BY!
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Then it was Beagle who sent the grammer links.. One of these days I take a a peek. Wow I had a hard time replying to that last post - kept saying it was improper. I have sworn on here before ???
oo00oo

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How about starting a topix thread on the Amherst MA page?
Another Day

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Mar 26, 2009
 
White Wash wrote:
Bridgewater?
Where is that? <quoted text>
Southeast MA
sophie bean

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Mar 26, 2009
 
WTF-the-original wrote:
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Sorry, been away at a conference for a couple of days so trying to catch up. Like I said rule of thumb. BUT, for me to disregard Occam I need to have a couple of elements. First, Occam can’t fulfill the facts fully. Second the more obscure theory must fulfill the facts better than the simpler theory. The few things that we know can simply be explained by her crashing her car, likely with alcohol involved and then running from the accident possibly with her crashing her car minutes before that crash and driving from that crash to the second crash.
Another thing that I will mention. At the conference I was at, one of the classes was on crime scenes. The officer teaching the class was a patrol officer who had eventually become a sergeant and then moved into SWAT were he attained the rank of Lieutenant. I had asked him about the circumstances of Maura’s crash and his first thought on hearing the description of the scene was that she ran away from the scene probably with alcohol involved (I should point out that I DID NOT mention anything about the alcohol found in and around the car) and was not likely to be treated as a crime scene. I then explained the later circumstances and of course he was taken aback and at that point obviously he was thinking that it needed to be treated as a crime scene. This was not a small town cop either. So again, I don’t believe any officer would look at those circumstances and think that any crime (other than fleeing the scene of an accident) was committed. Having seen my share of runaways from accidents I know I wouldn’t.
Bill
Thank you very much for your reply, Bill! This makes a whole lot of sense from many angles. Still - if she was a "runaway" under those circumstances, it was still a very cold night and a pretty lonely place. A prompt search was still warranted. I "understand" that LE could assume that "well, a drunk runaway from a crash - is a search a priority?" BUT I don't think that excuses a lack of a search. I also can understand later information regarding it as a crime scene - but why no mention by NH LE that it was NOW viewed as a crime scene? Isn't a car abandoned at a crash site a crime scene already? "Leaving the scene of an accident"?
sophie bean

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This is why I believe the odds against Maura encountering an opportunistic serial killer who just happened to show-up during a period of less than ten minutes that elapsed between the SBD's departure and Sgt. Smith's arrival are so astronomically high in her favor that one can almost say such an encounter is impossible.
I'm going to briefly revisit the issue of the red pickup truck to bury it. I cannot believe the cops and the PIs failed to thoroughly investigate the possibility that the driver was involved in or witnessed Maura's disappearance. In fact, I think it's impossible they failed to do that.
Detective Columbo has some splainin to do regarding why he brought it up recently and why he failed to answer some obvious questions that I'm sure he could have answered. For example, did this incident happen on the same evening in during the same time frame as Maura's disappearance?
I believe he deliberately tossed us a red herring and I am furious.
From now on I am going to presume that everything he posts is a calculated effort to keep us running like hampsters on a wheel.
Columbo, who's your master?
Why are you deliberately trying to obstruct our effort to solve Maura's disappearance?
You're representing the person responsible for Maura's disappearance, aren't you?
You're covering his trail by dropping false clues to attract attention to Haverhill, aren't you?
That means the answer will be found in Amherst, doesn't it?
You're disgusting.
While I almost always disagree with Det Columbo and think that he (?) is wrong and duplicitous, that's quite a post there, Mason. You are LEAPING to a vast, absurdly complicated SERIES of "conclusions" (which word, however, denotes a sense of logic totally lacking in your post) to incriminate Det Columbo.

Or perhaps you''re just being "sarcastic" again?
Contempt DRIPS from your every post. I'm sick and tired of it, and it's getting us absolutely nowhere.
Saturnus

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#17967
Mar 26, 2009
 
Suzanne wrote:
There are 2 excellent posts by WTF on the new "move on from Murray" thread. And then there are of course the usual sentiments from the usual people about wanting an unknown person captured, tried and convicted for a heinous crime, a crime with no evidence that it was ever committed.
He's not so "unknown" to some of us.
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Suzanne wrote:
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I do not know who KB is but I do know that the family of Nicholas Garza was absolutely hell bent on insisting that his disappearance was a result of foul play. They made it into a huge town/gown (Middlebury College) conflict. It turns out that a very inebriated NG slipped and fell into a fast moving stream. His death was an accident. But his family to this day still blame the citizens of Middlebury Vt for his death.
PROVE that "his family to this day" blame the citizens of Middlebury.

Your post absolutley proves beyond a shadow of a doubt your HATRED, Suzanne, for the families of missing persons. Of course Garza's death was a tragedy. If you don't think that RAGE is one of the stages of grief, I guess that you don'[t know anything about grief. Your statements are consistently cruel, heartless, and cold - and you CRITICIZE/ demonize the families of victims? How dare you!
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It is perfectly clear that anyone who dares tread here who holds any opinion other than that Maura was a ne'er-do-well who deserved whatever happened to he, and her family is merely concealing her ne'er-do-well-ness (cleverly concealed by her academic and athletic accomplishments) is not welcome.

Wait, did I say "not welcome"?
I should have said "will be treated as the lowest of the low, most evil, most depraved, most guilty of SOMETHING creature to ever walk the planet."

Rename your little crap-fest the "Maura Murray bash here" - how productive.
But look out for karma, It's a real bitch.
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Mar 26, 2009
 
White Wash wrote:
Bridgewater?
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Beats the hell outta me, I live way down here in the NYC area. I've got to assume it's somewhere in Grafton County, since it's included in the Grafton County Sheriff's log. It's on page six, and it says Bridgewater.....
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Mar 26, 2009
 
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Not THAT Bridgewater.(there are bridgewaters all over the Eastern states.) There's apparently one in Grafton County. Just read the log. It's there, I promise.

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sophie bean wrote:
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Thank you very much for your reply, Bill! This makes a whole lot of sense from many angles. Still - if she was a "runaway" under those circumstances, it was still a very cold night and a pretty lonely place. A prompt search was still warranted. I "understand" that LE could assume that "well, a drunk runaway from a crash - is a search a priority?" BUT I don't think that excuses a lack of a search. I also can understand later information regarding it as a crime scene - but why no mention by NH LE that it was NOW viewed as a crime scene? Isn't a car abandoned at a crash site a crime scene already? "Leaving the scene of an accident"?
Well it may not be a crime scene. There was nothing to indicate that it was a serious crime scene at the time and we still don't know if it is. There was an initial search done of the crash scene and nothing to make it a priority that I saw. Nothing that would have raised red flags in the descriptions that I saw. The biggest danger would be her going into the woods. They searched the roadway and found no evidence that she went into the woods. She also wasn’t on the road so the assumption was that she was picked up and left the area. The abandoned car at a crash scene could be a crime (leaving the scene of an accident) but it doesn’t, in my experience, rise to the level that CSI is going to be used to convict someone for that charge. They typically have more important cases than possible drunk driving when no injury is involved and no real property damage either. Also, that charge would probably be tempered with the fact if she left because “she felt threatened or feared for her safety” and called the authorities fairly soon after from a residence saying where she was. I have seen no charges in some of those cases also. Providing it was a reasonable amount of time and the person came back to the scene. Usually driven back by dad. I have seen this happen more than once.

Bill
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Mar 26, 2009
 
FireCat wrote:
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Not THAT Bridgewater.(there are bridgewaters all over the Eastern states.) There's apparently one in Grafton County. Just read the log. It's there, I promise.
checked the 'net for Bridgewater Grafton Country - says its in the Lebanon metro area. Would that be the right location?
elsewherebriefly

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Mar 26, 2009
 
Bridgewater is a small community located in the Lakes Region of central New Hampshire in Grafton County, New Hampshire. The population was 974 at the 2000 census.
Wowzer

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Mar 26, 2009
 
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checked the 'net for Bridgewater Grafton Country - says its in the Lebanon metro area. Would that be the right location?
It is below Plymouth, on Newfound Lake. More than an hour away from here.
paris

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#17977
Mar 26, 2009
 
ScooterD wrote:
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checked the 'net for Bridgewater Grafton Country - says its in the Lebanon metro area. Would that be the right location?
OML, I hope LE looked into a possible connection. Talking with the other female forced off the road.....for who did it, what did they look like, drive and so on. This is scarey stuff here. I was reading the following:

About 15 Fish and Game officers, joined by the New England Canine and the Upper Valley Wilderness Response team with six dogs, searched the woods for Maura Murray, a University of Massachusetts student, about five miles east of the accident site on Route 112.
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(there's alot they cannot tell the public and alot they cannot correct so we don't have the exact info) That article goes on to say police did everything right that night. I'm just hoping all the dots are connecting to something.
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