Where is MAURA MURRAY

From the local AAA office, in person, this morning: AAA absolutely requires the card holder, with both membership card and driver's license in hand, to be with the vehicle when the tow truck arrives. No exceptions. The vehicle can be towed to and left at a location unattended by the member. At any time after this tow - a day, a week, a month - the vehicle can be towed again to another location. Same rules apply. Four tows max. In all cases, the vehicle cannot be drivable.

Today, I talked with the manager of an auto body shop who inspected Fred's Corolla right after the crash. He said he believed the Corolla was towed early Sunday morning from the crash scene in Hadley to Fred's motel. It was then picked up at the hotel by a different towing company and towed to his shop in Amherst for estimates and repair. Fred came to the shop to discuss the repair, etc. According to the manager, Fred told him that he, Fred, had just bought the Corolla for Maura to use – in other words, as a replacement for the Saturn.

I pulled my jaw off the floor as inconspicuously as possible, and showed him more pictures of the Saturn. He said it was hard to tell what happened from only the pictures, but it was his feeling that the front was struck on two separate occasions, possibly once by a pedestrian. He said the large dent in the front edge of the hood might have been made to camo an earlier dent by Vasi's leg, but he doubted it. He thought the big dent looked like it was from the stinger of a tow truck or from the rear end, quite possibly the trailer hitch, of a pickup truck.(No, I did not put words in his mouth.) I went to two towing garages. Both, with no prompting or leading questions, immediately said the same thing. I went to two more auto body repair shops. All concurred. The car did not hit a tree. The large dent was very likely caused by a tow truck or pickup truck or something manmade, maybe even something not vehicular, but not a tree.

He didn't know anything about Maura's disappearance other than the fact that she had disappeared. However, he said that shortly after the Corolla arrived at his shop, local police were all over it, inside and out, unlike anything he had ever seen. He said the police took a zillion pictures and left.

I don't know what all this means, but it sure is something to chew on.

Wow, Beagle. Sure is. Nice legwork.

FireCat wrote:

Wow, Beagle. Sure is. Nice legwork.

Thanks. Yeah, I about fell over.

Anyone know what the statute (sp) of limitation is for a hit or run in Mass?

gvmeabrk wrote:

Anyone know what the statute (sp) of limitation is for a hit or run in Mass?

I think that's an excellent question. Usually, it's seven years - at least it used to be - but not sure in a case of hit-and-run. No limit on homicide, but not sure whether that includes motor vehicle homicide.

I once sort of knew a guy who, under the influence of drugs, killed another motorist. He had a clean record and good character reports, but he still went to jail for maybe 2-4 years. Then he was on bracelet for quite a while and very strictly monitored for years after that. Wasn't fun.

Are you thinking what I think you're thinking?

BeagleBart the manager gave you incorrect information. The Toyota Corolla is Fred's vehicle.

gvmeabrk wrote:

Anyone know what the statute (sp) of limitation is for a hit or run in Mass?

Personal Injury: 3 years. However, a person injured in a hit-and-run accident may commence suit within six months of learning the identity of the hit-and-run driver.

http://www.expertlaw.com/library/limitations_...

Well if I am, I think it is 7 wasted years of life. An explanaton of what happened would have save those 7 years.????

Thanks for the answers to my question.

You're welcome
BTW just to clarify:
No action may be brought beyond the initial 3 year limitations period.

citigirl wrote:

BeagleBart the manager gave you incorrect information. The Toyota Corolla is Fred's vehicle.

Beaglebart clearly stated that in a previous post and I quote:
"Today, I talked with the manager of an auto body shop who inspected Fred's Corolla right after the crash"

hi beagle and all.wow this changes things.sounds like mrMurray maybe didnt need to go car shopping that sunday.was Sarah Alfieri with Maura when she bent the toyota.It has been reported that she joined them at dinner for a glass of wine and THEY then dropped mrMurray at his motel.on the Montel show mr Murray says a friend called Muura at dinner and she,Maura, dropped him at his motel and went back to the campus to be with her friends but it sounds like he did expect her back at his motel.where is Sarah Alfieri and all of Mauras friends from school.i have read Maura was secretive , private and didnt share much[no Sophie Bean i am not bashing her]did the toyota have temporary plates. were the real plates intended to be mailed to Maura .would she have to register her new car with umass.could she have 2 cars at school.i am not sure how M.A. dmv work.i wonder which other phone bills Sharon R went back and looked at i would guess the mystery gallery phone number is on those bills.didnt Mauras sister have Mauras computer for 3 months or so.this is the first i have heard of the toyota being towed to mrMurrays motel and then to a body shop.once again Beagle i am chewing on something and i thank you .take care philip

After reading Sophie's Post, I went back to look at these old sites. The first one by Silky.
The other one is older. Wonder if the previous "Missing and Remembered" from MMM is
still available....I haven't looked. Sophie, I have walked in that river...it is very rocky....
unless I fell face first and was knocked out, it still would be natural survival NOT to drown.
Yeh, one can drown in a small amount of water..ie (not saying this happened) if one is held down..foot on neck....re: P.C. it is fishy to me...and to some others.

Euro, found some of my old scribbled notes (2007) regarding your mentioning disproportional
numbers of unsolved vs population/area. VT pop.621,254 Sq. mi. 9,250.
NH pop.1,315,328 Sq. mi. 8,969.

TX Mcsmom n Anne for helping me remember....something...throug h the cobwebs.

http://snewzer.tripod.com/

http://whokilledtheresa.blogspot.com/2005/05/...

Just so that there's no confusion.

First, both the Saturn and Corolla were registered in Fred's name, possibly to save on insurance, get a lower loan rate, or just for convenience. Not sure why.

Second, I'm only relaying what I was told. I did not give the woman at AAA or the body shop manager a lie detector test. They appeared knowledgeable, patient, and convincing, but that'a a subjective judgment on my part. I can only report what I was told. I asked them the same questions several times, several different ways. I never asked them a leading question or suggested that there was a correct or incorrect answer. Their answers to all questions remained consistent.

Third, it was unknown for at least two weeks after the hit-and-run whether Vasi would live or die. If he had died, then it's a whole different ball game. The police would have to assume the worst because they could not wait for Vasi to die (no offense Petrit) and then try to gather evidence.

Fourth, if the operator in a hit-and-run cannot be identified, the vehicle's owner can be held responsible. Which usually puts a little pressure on the owner to reveal who was driving his car.

I'm not tying to point fingers at anyone, just trying to add what some people outside this forum know or think they know or have told police or whatever.

I did not state that the Corolla was owned by anyone other than Fred.

This information is not meant to divert attention away from the Rt. 112 crash scene. It is meant only to add to the overall picture. The value of the Rt. 112 crash scene should not be diminished.

The woman at AAA said that towing records could be accessed only by the AAA member, not by anyone else.

BeagleBart,

Some very good detective work there!

Whiston, What are the possible reasons that the identity of the gallery has not been disclosed?

It the gallery is a UMass gallery, then there cannot be much fear of a lawsuit. It's a public gallery and her working there is a matter of public record.

If it's a private gallery, I'm not sure why its identity cannot likewise be revealed, but the lawsuit fear - smokescreen or not - is probably voiced as a deterent.

I once asked Helena whether the mystery gallery was the one at the Lay Academy of Oecumenical Study (or Studies)(LAOS). She did not deny it. Of course, she did not confirm it, either.

Although there may be other galleries in Amherst, the only major one I can think of is The Amherst Art Gallery, owned by Michelson', which owns a much larger, well-etablished, and popular gallery in Northampton. They represent, or have represented, some of the area's best artists.

It's hard to know why this gallery cannot be identified, but the mystery does draw attention to itself. Perhaps this can be cleared up. Perhaps the gallery is a UMass one after all. That would be good to know.

Eurobserver wrote:

BeagleBart,
Some very good detective work there!

Thanks, Euro. What do you make of it?

Does anyone have the exact location of the Corolla crash scene? Was it on N. Maple St. in Hadley? If so, what number? Or intersection? Thanks.

hi Beagle an all.i could list reasons about the sedret gallery location but was told on the prior forum that where Maura worked and went to class was 'deemed' unimportant.i was told Mauras life in amherst was not important and i was barred from posting i am assuming by Helena .she emailed me afer a week or so and said my continual aking about Mauras life in amherst was deemed not important.i am not quite sure who made that decision .every single person i have spoken to including active and retired police officers have said the same thing.why not release the information about amherst and Mauras prior life.i was told on the old forum that no imformation was being held back.i am still very much looking at amherst.the fact that we know nothing about it just makes it more attractive take care philip

whiston wrote:

hi Beagle an all.i could list reasons about the sedret gallery location but was told on the prior forum that where Maura worked and went to class was 'deemed' unimportant.i was told Mauras life in amherst was not important and i was barred from posting i am assuming by Helena .she emailed me afer a week or so and said my continual aking about Mauras life in amherst was deemed not important.i am not quite sure who made that decision .every single person i have spoken to including active and retired police officers have said the same thing.why not release the information about amherst and Mauras prior life.i was told on the old forum that no imformation was being held back.i am still very much looking at amherst.the fact that we know nothing about it just makes it more attractive take care philip

Whiston, Do you feel that you know which gallery is the mystery gallery?