Where is MAURA MURRAY

Sophie, As far as I know he was free at that time.

SOME OF WHAT PETRIT SAYS:
I dont know of Marua Murray. I never met her or anything. The only time I heard about her is when I woke up from my coma, went to school and I think even graduated from college before I even heard of a posible connection between the two incidents. I really dont know if these two are connected. Was she the person who might have hit me, maybe maybe not.. Now, when I used to drink, I have a tendency to either become very social or extremely anti social. The time that I waited for my friend Im assuming I just gave up on waiting and decided to walk back to my dorm room, I have no problem walking long distances. Im assuming that I probably was trying to find some shortcuts because of the place I was fund in relation to the bar I was at. I beleive the bar was on Main street and I was found on Triangle and Marron street, forgive me if my memory is failing me on the exacet names of the streets. After that history is out there for people allready, Im assuming that some other drunk student lucky enough to have a car but stupid enough to drive it in most likely intoxicated state, struck me and instead of fessing up and doing what some deced human being, by at least informing somebody anonimously even.... or maybe they were so drunk they didnt even know that they might of hit somebody. Then lucky me some lady found me and then hospital and I dont know how much more you want to hear. I still have lingering effects of the accident. But in time I hope my wounds will heal. Again I do not know how connected I am to Maura's dissaparence but i will try to do as much as I can to help you find what you looking for.
Petrit

just me--Paris wrote:

SOME OF WHAT PETRIT SAYS:
I dont know of Marua Murray. I never met her or anything. The only time I heard about her is when I woke up from my coma, went to school and I think even graduated from college before I even heard of a posible connection between the two incidents. I really dont know if these two are connected. Was she the person who might have hit me, maybe maybe not.. Now, when I used to drink, I have a tendency to either become very social or extremely anti social. The time that I waited for my friend Im assuming I just gave up on waiting and decided to walk back to my dorm room, I have no problem walking long distances. Im assuming that I probably was trying to find some shortcuts because of the place I was fund in relation to the bar I was at. I beleive the bar was on Main street and I was found on Triangle and Marron street, forgive me if my memory is failing me on the exacet names of the streets. After that history is out there for people allready, Im assuming that some other drunk student lucky enough to have a car but stupid enough to drive it in most likely intoxicated state, struck me and instead of fessing up and doing what some deced human being, by at least informing somebody anonimously even.... or maybe they were so drunk they didnt even know that they might of hit somebody. Then lucky me some lady found me and then hospital and I dont know how much more you want to hear. I still have lingering effects of the accident. But in time I hope my wounds will heal. Again I do not know how connected I am to Maura's dissaparence but i will try to do as much as I can to help you find what you looking for.
Petrit

This is a college graduate? He needs spell check.

Someone quoted Maura as repeating "my sister, my sister", when she was going back to her dorm room after that crying spell. Is that true, does anyone honestly know?

Kathleen did have Maura's computer for 3 months, but reported that she regretfully did not use it for lack of skills.....it just sat until NH police took it away.
Before that the UMASS police, ie, looked "into" her computer and there was nothing standing out in recent history that could be of any use. Well, we heard about the searches and such.....I still want Fred to get the hard drive. He's right, it might help him in some way knowing her personally after all.

Maura was possibly seen at the McDonalds according to someone...and there's a story to that too but I said it already. Stunning, charming does not matter when you're driving unless someone sees you and follows you and well, their not likely to report seeing Maura now are they?

My mind is open to everything and thank you BeagleBart for the legwork. People are getting so involved as am I. I'm learning alot along with Petrit and still think the 'accident' in NH was bullshit. The police report was bullshit. The not releasing the police report was bullshit and the way it looks up close looks like bullshit too.

hi jmlh and all.do yout hink Petri Vasi was born in the USA.THANK YOU PETRIT VASI for stepping up here.You may have been a victm but you are still offering to help as if it is so natural for you to do that .You are a credit to your family.it is sad that not one person from Mauras amherst life is posting here. take care stay healthy philip

And on a different note...

In 1964 Leo Kleciak shoots his wife, Stella, to death at a Springfield truck stop. He is convicted, goes to jail. In the weeks just prior, Stella had been assisted by her neighbors and friends, the Monahans, apparently in a bid to escape her abusive husband.

In 1980, the Roman Catholic Diocese of Springfield gives Leo Kleciak and his son, Edward, about 1/3 acre of land in Chicopee Falls for no money.

In 2008, another Kleciak (immediate) family member imitates Frank Kelly on You Tube, deliberately conflating the abduction of Molly Bish with the disappearance of Maura Murray. She claims to be investigating the murder of Molly Bish and advertises her affinity for keeping people under surveillance and grabbing their garbage. She practically quotes Frank Kelly chapter and verse about kidnapping. She has worked at a bar in the Amherst area and has extensive military training.

Is it even possible that this has something to do with Maura's disappearance? Why would this You Tube person try to blur the facts surrounding the murder of Molly Bish with the disappearance of Maura?

whiston wrote:

hi jmlh and all.do yout hink Petri Vasi was born in the USA.THANK YOU PETRIT VASI for stepping up here.You may have been a victm but you are still offering to help as if it is so natural for you to do that .You are a credit to your family.it is sad that not one person from Mauras amherst life is posting here. take care stay healthy philip

Thank you for saying that, Whiston. I was about to reply to the same effect. Vasi is not only not native, he suffered a serious head injury, the effects of which may never leave him. He is to be commended for being so willing to communicate about his case. Petrit Vasi: Thank you very much. I hope you are well.

Here's a link about Kleciak's appeal. Mostly dry stuff, but some interesting gems, too.

http://masscases.com/cases/sjc/350/350mass679...

Firecat, you caught the point that caught my attention...Why?? would they jump all over it more than ususal?

Anne wrote:

Firecat, you caught the point that caught my attention...Why?? would they jump all over it more than ususal?

I agree that what Fred is said to have said about the Corolla could have been just something he blurted out for the convenience of the moment.

But the police were definitely interested in the vehicle. Really a lot, this guy said. But he had no idea why.

just me--Paris wrote:

it just sat until NH police took it away.

Before that the UMASS police, ie, looked "into" her computer and there was nothing standing out in recent history that could be of any use. Well, we heard about the searches and such.....I still want Fred to get the hard drive. He's right, it might help him in some way knowing her personally after all.
Maura was possibly seen at the McDonalds according to someone...and there's a story to that too but I said it already.

Couple of things: What McDonald's are you referring to?

I thought I read that it was the Massachusetts SP that retrieved the computer from Kathleen. It seems odd that if your sister or daughter were missing that you would not examine that hard drive very, very closely. Like have it examined by an expert for previously deleted data. Tons and tons of data can be deleted and still recovered years later. Maybe LE let the Murrays have the computer for some reason before taking it back?

Beagle Bart, you are correct, in htat the computer will contain tons of information but LE has had it from the beginning, family has NEVER had access to it and that is unfortunate because they would be in the best postion to know the connections! Don't you agree?

gvmeabrk wrote:

Paris, Who was talking on that interview?

Hi PattyD, I don't know who that was talking but I wrote to the radio and expect to hear back. For those who cannot get the on air piece to play, here are the words.
For people who don't remember Maura Murray 21 year old US junior she was working at an art gallery she had told people -- to be away for a week. Drove up into New Hampshire her car hit a snow bank someone passing by offers help she declines it. And that she's never seen again any any theories anything that stands out -- that in that what might have happened."
[0:24]" Well first first of all it is near the -- to the car. But we are now convinced that the damage to the card did not take place with the car was -- we -- 100% sure. That would have -- which happened to this car probably happened in these different. Point place in time. It is their work you know some indicators that she might have been running the way you're contemplating suicide because of stresses in her life. But the at this scene the tired and other things are certainly not consistent would that she was seen by a bus driver sitting in the car. He you know he indicates that he spoke to her. And then he drove on -- went home. And it was mere minutes later when Sargent Cecil Smith of the local police knocked on -- neighbor's door asked if they had seen the driver of the car. It's with taking a matter of three to five minutes when a witness sovereign part of the police arrived."
[1:27]" Any chance that she just trying to disappear and doesn't want to be found."
[1:31]" That is always a chance of that we know she had stresses in her life something dramatic happened it worked we really don't know what. That lies which could receive a traumatic fault call which he has a very. You know supportive and loving family she really had a great relationship with captain -- her her boyfriend Soviet direct -- indicated that you would see people contemplating running away.-- or -- on the other -- there -- many indicators -- beat somebody with a -- To live for its very strange you know the circumstances of the which she left."

[2:10]" You mentioned she got a dramatic phone call it worked he don't know the contents of your came from."
[2:15]" We really don't know the content of that. Or who made it. But our understanding from talking to who witnessed that the coworker of the supervisor that would ever what it really it was emotionally upsetting. To mar this -- I can get before five days before she disappeared whether or not it is directly related to this we honestly can't say."
[2:38]" I -- you want to hazard an answer to this but. Do you think this mister -- resolved."
[2:43]" Yes I do -- I can't tell you where you will be next week or 20 years but yes sort of related with the systems all of -- resolved in. I can only point -- to a recent arrest of pure pocket to New Hampshire within the state police arrested -- homicides occurred in 1986 they they don't quit state police working on this in our investigative team. You know we're -- the airport in the defendant period. Of time we will continue to follow. Each and every -- that comes up the two we all retire. If we have to this will be solved by either finding Mara or some indications.-- while playing or whatever but. Somebody somewhere knows something in overtime relationships with people changed -- somebody else did it knows something a suspect something. It is hesitant or scared to come forward in may be as the relationship with another person changes in 125 -- years. They will come forward so is our investigation progresses. We we reach out to the news media ask you guys to help prosecute these names out there to keep a fraction people's minds because. Witnesses saw it will be somebody with some information will come forward. To us and in its its information relative to file play -- will immediately be investigated by the state police were not in competition we are looking for. Barak has been missing person anything that we find it has to -- with criminal activity immediately goes to the Attorney General state police but yet this will be solved"

Anne wrote:

Beagle Bart, you are correct, in htat the computer will contain tons of information but LE has had it from the beginning, family has NEVER had access to it and that is unfortunate because they would be in the best postion to know the connections! Don't you agree?

Sorry, I was under the impression that the computer was, as "just me" posted, left with Kathleen Murray and then retreived by LE.

But even if the Murrays have never had access to the computer, what is there to conclude from that? That LE has something to cover up. That LE does not want Maura found. Sorry, I don't get the idea of what is bad about LE keeping Maura's computer.

Anne wrote:

Firecat, you caught the point that caught my attention...Why?? would they jump all over it more than ususal?

Ditto to you both...why? Maura wasn't cited in the accident with the Toyota, so why all the commotion over it after she disappeared.

Correct me if I'm wrong...but without probable cause (which would be what exactly?), wouldn't a search warrant have been needed to search the car unless Fred was asked and gave his permission?

just me, I thought I knew how to read minimally well, but is the above text a bit jumbled? Or should I be drinking something beside diet Coke?

just me--Paris wrote:

Kathleen did have Maura's computer for 3 months, but reported that she regretfully did not use it for lack of skills.....it just sat until NH police took it away.

Who had the computer? Kathleen or not? Sorry, I'm confused.

BeagleBart wrote:

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Couple of things: What McDonald's are you referring to?
I thought I read that it was the Massachusetts SP that retrieved the computer from Kathleen. It seems odd that if your sister or daughter were missing that you would not examine that hard drive very, very closely. Like have it examined by an expert for previously deleted data. Tons and tons of data can be deleted and still recovered years later. Maybe LE let the Murrays have the computer for some reason before taking it back?

The McDonalds in NH, not sure which one, but another worker there also had the same year/model/make as Maura and was the town snitch....could have just been her car if they were going on description.
There are articles from UMASS police having gone through the computer, I could be wrong on the order it went. "A family waits and wonder what happened...', article tells that the family has Maura's personal property from the car when they first came to NH to help search. Sharon or Helena said that Kathleen had the computer and the police later took it away. I am not wrong about this, I have that note somewhere if I have to dig it out I will.

Police said they wanted everything back at some point (3 months)? down the line because "now" they were treating this as a possible crime.

How long was Fred's car in the shop anyhow that police would be "all over it" taking pictures? Doesn't that seem suspect to you that they would do that, police taking pictures instead of insurance people? And really now, why the wait with the so-called evidence they took back if they were worried to start with. Can anyone think of a reason that police would take pictures of a car that slid into a pole/guardrail just because the person driving it seemingly vanished at that early point in time?

Oh, better clarify that I realize Maura's computer was taken from her dorm room and then given to Kathleen but not when the family was in NH. Wouldn't want anyone to jump to conclusions now.....