Where is MAURA MURRAY

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Benjamin Franklyne wrote:

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Insert something mean towards Peri here.
All kidding aside - two points:
Great! We have now resumed the Maura Murray thread. About darn time...
"Maura was alive June 2006 in Cumberland Farms with an older man described earlier. It is my feelings that she is being held against her will."
Peri -
First the person who made the above post _is_ the person who says she saw Maura. From her perspective - there is nothing to allege.
Second -
Consider the importance of Maura having to attend her clinicals. Logic follows that the effort to find Maura a car is evidence that she had no guarantees from others that she would be given rides to them to allow her to successfully complete her semester.
The Murrays have said they are not wealthy enough to hire a private investigator. What this means is that once his Corolla was not driveable - he may have needed the money her saved for her car - to purchase his own replacement car until such time that the insurance company paid the claim on the Corolla -> which could take as long as a WEEK.
Maura's refusing to drive the car could have been her attempt to try to make her car last as long as possible. However, if she was convinced that the Saturn would not last the semester - and if she were convinced that the insurance company might not pay, or if they did, it might take longer then her week's excused absence, she would have no reason to continue - as she was certain to fail out.
Put the above factors together and a number of scenarios come to mind.
Add in the possibility that the Toyota Truck review, made by a Fred Murray a week after Maura's disappearance indicating the truck has made long distance trips - and there is a lot to talk about.

WTF-the-original wrote:

[quote]Believes she did try to start the car and it wouldn't which indicates that air bag did go off and she couldn't restart the car.[/quote]
Airbag deployment doesn't prevent the car from starting. Not that I am aware. Certainly not in '04.
Knocking the transmission into neutral will prevent it from starting.
Very interesting read.
Bill

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peripeteia wrote:

I don't know what you are referring to in the second part of your post, none. Unless you checked the registration, with corresponding address, we do not know for FACT this is Fred's truck, unless of course you personally saw the registration.

peripeteia wrote:

# 1 refers to my post, and of course I know GVMB FEELS she saw Maura. The correction is need to say alleged sighting because, the person seen, did not say, I am Maura Murray. Therefore it is alleged, at least in my understanding of FACTS vs FEELINGS.

This siting has been checked out, and there is no indication that the person was Maura, as well other sighting have been checked and the same, they were NOT Maura.

FireCat wrote:

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Maura did apparently have a hamstring injury (which are a bitch, I can tell you dfrom experience. They take forever to fully heal. It's a big muscle.) which I WRONGLY ASSUMED was the reason for Maura taking Tylenol PM.
I was immediately corrected by Sharon, who informed me that Maura took Tylenol PM when she was having trouble sleeping, which she often did away from home. Tylenol PM is basically Tylenol mixed with benadryl, so it's relatively harmless when used this way.
So yes, hamstring injury preventing her from competing (though perhaps not taking practice and/or running individually) and yes, Tylenol PM. Just not related to each other.
I see a long detailed timeline looking post, also, but that's going to have to wait until tomorrow. I'm pooped. Night.

oo00oo wrote:

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Yes, using it to sleep sounds more likely. Not easy to function on it awake. Maybe that's why the person that saw her said she was out of it.(female student? I don't have time to look for the article) If you don't sleep for at least five hours, your in a fog till it leaves your system. IMO.
In your experience w/ an injured hamstring, do you think the C.W. story about seeing someone "running" down the road, that for it to be Maura, would be unlikely?

ScooterD wrote:

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Bill - could you please cite the source of this quote? I'm not questioning you, only want to read the whole thing. Thanks.

peripeteia wrote:

PART iii re: White Wash conversation with FW, points for clarification per asteriks
21.. Tim Westman goes out then to help. He checks his barn and with FD the
Parking lot and around their house.
22. The game trail is checked.
23. Old Peter's Road is check as well as up and down both sides of the road.
*SBD leaves and goes to SSS, does not go in, gone about 15 minutes, then heads towards French Pond, gone about 15 minutes
*Sgt. Smith also heads westerly to look for girl,neither search in Easterly direction,
unknown when this happened
24. Westmans claim crews where there a long time.
*see Grafton County Sherriff logs for arrival and departure times of EMS, fire, no times given for arrival of Sgt. C, Trooper M off duty, and times Sgt. Smith left to search for Maura or when he returned, no mention
25. Odd all this activity and TM never comes out?
Allegedly he wasn't home
*JM gives a detailed report to the media, and family and friends who interviewed him, as well as to the private detectives of what he saw that night, he was home
*JM also states that he saw the SBD back up his bus in the driveway all the way to his house, and stayed on the bus a long time. SBD says he went directly into his house and told his girlF and mother about the accident.
*JM also states that the saturn backed up and parked parellel to the road.(does he mean from the westbound lane into the eastbound lane
*Smith's report give no indication car was in Westbound ditch, no mention in report of car backing up, no mention of speaking to JM
*SBD called 911 at 1943, and allegedly circuits were busy, reached Hanover,(don't know if Girl F called or he did, as logs are being witheld from Hanover) Hanover calls back at 1943 and Girl F reports, SBD saw accident and does know where the girl is, SBD says he went to his bus to do paperwork
26. The Westmans claim the road that night was a dry.
*as per accident report, same

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peripeteia wrote:

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Maura's family knows, and obviously this is an error, one of the many made by the media, and posters on forums.

WTF-the-original wrote:

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It was a quote from Dawns post 18499 which I believe she is quoting information from White Wash I believe.
I was just quoting in response to the statement, not the accuracy of the information. If someone can check if a Saturn of that year can be started with the transmission in neutral that would be useful to know. It would be especially interesting to know WHY the witness thought Maura was trying to start the car. Did she actually hear Maura cranking the engine? Is that what lead to that statement?
Bill

WTF-the-original wrote:

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It was a quote from Dawns post 18499 which I believe she is quoting information from White Wash I believe.
I was just quoting in response to the statement, not the accuracy of the information. If someone can check if a Saturn of that year can be started with the transmission in neutral that would be useful to know. It would be especially interesting to know WHY the witness thought Maura was trying to start the car. Did she actually hear Maura cranking the engine? Is that what lead to that statement?
Bill

White Wash wrote:

She was incorrect! Put the red pens away!

peripeteia wrote:

Part one: points for clarification notated by asterisks
per reposted by Dawn:
White Wash wrote:
In January 07 I was lucky enough to speak
with the Westman I had planned on doing a recap in 07 but was unable to recap any unknown.
1. Westmans are working in their home office.
2. They hear a thumb Faith goes to the kitchen
looks out the window and sees a dark car off the road.
3. She called 911.
*FW calls 911 at 1927 according to the Grafton County Sherriff logs
*states car ended up in the ditch in the Westbound lane, heading eastbound, as per RM 911 operator Grafton County Sherriff logs.
4. The car remains dark.
5. Atwood arrives with 1-2 min per Faith.
They opens the door and speaks to the drive who is out now
Talking to him over the roof of the car.
Faith makes a point she doesn't know if it's Butch or Barbara's Bus.
*all the interviews with FW reported in the media and by interviews with people assisting the family, state the SBD came along 5 minutes after the accident
*media reports SBD as stating that he shone the flashlight in the car window and I could just about see her from the lips up, the airbag deployed
*SBD states the car was pushed up against the snowbank, and she squeezed out the door the drivers door, Sharon states that the impression was visible in the snowbank that was up to the mail boxes, at least two feet when she visited the accident site on Thursday, there were no footprints to be seen?! Accident report shows no footprints
*SBD asks if she wants to call the police, tow truck, Maura says NO, Don't call the police,
and that she has called AAA. SBD asks if Maura wants to go to his house and wait, Maura says NO.
*FW says here she does not know if it was the small bus or the large bus? re SBD or B bus? There is quite a difference in the sizes of the bus, or were they both large buses?
*SBD reports he did not get off the bus, other media reports have him saying that he checked out the damage to the car, it was inoperable because the radiator was pushed up against the fan. He could not have walked around the car, because there were no footprints noted by Sharon in the snow, so he must have walked from front to back on passengers side. If Maura was talking to him over the hood, then she was standing in a snow bank, no footprints noted, by Sharon, or accident report.
7. Atwood is there 1-2 mines tops Faith says.
*all media reports says FW stated the SBD says he was there 5 minutes, SBD states he was there 5 minutes
8. Faith sees the driver put on the flashers.
*media reports, says Faith states the flashers were on, SBD states they were off and he tells her to put them on
9. Driver goes to the trunk then back to car lights going on and off and
She see a red dot on the passengers side.
*JM reports that the trunk lights went off and on as well
*FW reports to 911 as per Grafton County Sherriff logs, that there was a man driving the car and was sitting smoking a cigarette, see Grafton County Sherriff logs. Noting whatsoever about a red dot in the car, check logs.
10. Faith goes back to the front room to help Tim on the computer.
*FW states in the media, that after the SBD came along she no longer watched the accident scene

ScooterD wrote:

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LOL - that gave me a laugh :>)
Ok - would you verify if she was incorrect about seeing a red light at all OR was she incorrect that it was a cigarette and didn't know what it was? Thanks WW.

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Dawn wrote:

I see errrors in the above long post..... peri makes a * stating that thursday - no footprints. There had to be footprints by Thursday - people were searching - and there would have been footprints around the car from getting ready to tow it. also.......... foot prints of course from fred and family from searching... 4 days after she was missing there would be ALOT of foot prints