Where is MAURA MURRAY

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>isthere something official about the hamstring injury? As I recall, a family membr stated that she had an injury but I didn't see anything other than that reported. I don't see how a nursing student could possble have the time to run competetively (spelling???) anyway--not with having clinicals. She's never be able to travel to meets that weren't at UMass.

I do not have a Doctor's note in my possession, but have word from a family member, Maura had a hamstring injury and was not running.

I held two jobs at Nursing School, did volunteer work, and went to gym, had a social life, and slept very little and maintained a 75 average,
the requirement for graduating from the School of
Nursing I attended.

Maura was not in trace and field competition at the time due to injury. Perhaps she ran occassionaly, however, as you are well aware running and weight bearing exercises would be contraindicated for such an injury.

ScooterD wrote:

<quoted text>
The Queen of Muscle/Soft Tissue Chronic Problems (QMSTCP for short) at your service!:>)

Oh dear.

With a ham string injury it is possible to run, unless the knee was seized, re: ACL corresponding injury, so Maura was capable of running with such an injury if she had to, freight and flight response. Broken bones are another matter, but we are not talking broken bones.

Painful and ill advised to run with such an injury it would be possible. However running five miles in an uphill direction,(hills) where the construction worker allegedly saw a youth running is possible, however, with such an injury, it would have taken longer than usual, and the person would likely be limping and in pain
due to running uphill is more difficult on the knees and poses greater stress on muscles.

White Wash wrote:

Per Dispatch Records!
Pumper Truck
Dispatched at 19:42
Arrived at 19:57
Clr at 20:49
peripeteia just for the record those of us
who knew people there know that they did
in that time too and I'm sorry that isn't acceptable to you
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It is Sgt. S arrival time at the accident scene, it is stated he arrived at 1946, and FW called at 1927, and that you have noted FW says she was still on the phone when Sgt. Smith arrived?

Odd 19 minutes on the phone to the 911 operator?

Seems Sgt. Smith arrived before 1946. Also, why would FW still be on the phone for 19 minutes, when she says that SBD came along in 1-2 minutes after she called?

This makes SBD arriving at 1929 thereabouts.
This timeline also has SBD leaving at 1931.

This leaves Maura at the road side alone for
1931-1946. Fiveteen minutes? So if Maura was hell bent in getting away from the scene of the accident to avoid a DUI charge, why then wait 14-15 minutes hanging around, and taking off 1-2 minutes before the police came along. This rather defies the logic of Maura trying to avoid police protection.

It defies logic that RM had Faith on the phone for 19 minutes.

If we are to follow these statement of FW, means we have to draw a new time line, and question what time Sgt. S really came along.

It is not what I believe, it is a matter of who we are to believe, and what are the actual times we are looking at.

There has never been any dispute about time EMS and Fire arrived at scene.

The question is when did Smith arrive?

We know that the circuits were busy however, FW called to RM was logged at 1927/1929.

IMO Maura having to curtail her running was a big deal to her --- It's depressing, demoralizing, it's yet another loss, it's one less way to burn off steam or stress, and a person might find themselves vulnerable to having to begin DEALING WITH SOME OF THE DEEPER PROBLEMS they've been avoiding. I really think this was yet one more part of the progression to a crisis.

IMO there were things discussed in the (20 min? long) phone call from Maura to her dad on Sunday night around 11PM. She then begin to look for a place to go. Was Fred working Monday? Was Fred working Tuesday?

We've heard all the "reasons" it took Maura until around 4PM to get ready to leave on Monday afternoon, getting near dusk. It's also around the time her dad who might have been on a hospital schedule (7AM-3PM?) would have had time to get off work and drive an hour or more to Amherst from Bridgeport, CT. Was Fred going up there, accompanying Maura in a borrowed red truck, for example? Or one he bought used? LE has to know this. I don't believe that is a mystery to them, just to us.

If Maura had nothing to do with Vasi, did Fred tell Maura Sunday night that he was coming up to complete car-hunting stuff? Did she leave before he got there, wanting to flee for some reason? Could her dad have gone to her dorm to find her, gained access to her dorm room and found her searches for directions north and followed her? Did he find "a note" left in the room? IMO it's more likely that happened Tuesday because that's when he began trying to reach Cecil Smith with "important information", that his daughter was depressed and, thus, endangered, etc.

There is a huge piece of what happened that is missing to us (as there should be). If Maura hit Vasi and someone helped her flee, that would be a crime. Covering up an accidental death or a crime of passion would, of course, be too. There's also obstruction of justice or lying to LE... There are too many secrets.

We still don't know if she was running or not. It may be a no no - if you are an avid runner - and are use to running through the pain - FC can relate to this as she is training for a marathon ( here in seattle - hope to see her). Unless you have been a runner - it's hard to understand. The runner's high is true - your body is use the edporphins - etc............. I use to run and still have lots of friends who do - I ran with injuries - not recommended. Since everyone says she kept things to herself - running is very theraputic - unless you have experienced it . it is hard to understand.. I didn't start running until my 20's and I never understood the runners high until I had been running for about 3 months - that is when it finally kicked it......... reminds me......... I need to start running again.

Beagle

What is up???? You have been so quiet. I hope you are OK. Happy Friday... Good Friday.:-)

hi all.The cottage hospital witness ,as reported by Weeper on the other site, saw sgtSmiths vehicle at the saturn between 15 and 20 minutes before F.W.called 911.Yes the timeline is bogus.Is it just poor record keeping or were the times changed for a reason.Take care philip

This is when I wish Det C, Weeper or Mason would chime in.

How often are dispatch records correct to the minute? Especially when there is chaos with a possible missing persons on a road out in boonies?

What if the dispatcher had to run to the restroom or something.......... it is not like they had a bunch of employee's........ I have always had the gut feeling - the note taker did not have bad intentions. Now the accident report coming out days later.......... YES...

Beagle
I have a question for you. You have done ALOT of research and investigatin on behalf of both the Murray Bish cases. Definately more than most!!!! I would say even more than anyone else here on the forum. Not to mention your other research you do on how the companies are linked from MA to NH.

My question is :
Did you know Maura or ever see her around ? Since you live in the area.. maybe you did.. I don't know. This has probably been answered already.. my apologies if it has.

I'm just curious.. I think you might have actually known her.

hi all, i am reposting this because it went into deep space.The cottage hospital witness saw sgtSmiths vehicle at the saturn 15 to 20 minutes before F.W called 911.This would have been around 7.12 p.m.Was this just bad record keeping or is the witness just wrong about the time.Take care philip

Beagle wrote:

SB cackles like hell whenever one of her targets takes his own life. That's her specialty. She lives just for the thrill of driving innocent people to suicide.

Name ONE "innocent person" that I've EVER accused of ANYTHING. ONE.

Right. You can't, and you won't.

I'm ignoring the rest of your incredibly charming post. Almost sounds like Mason's "all the serial killers that I work with are nicer than you."

But...the coward's tactic is, when asked a direct, content-related question to which you have no answer, go on the attack.

Quija.......... You should go pro........you know I am serious. Hope Mason is still reading. I think you are so close to the truth. It is almost like - its too obvious to see.......that is what I keep coming back to. You are right too many secrets. Why wouldn't LE send AMW the police report ????? What is in that police report?????????? million dollar question

sorry - correction needed - track and field don't compete in Jan or Feb either........ so no she would not have been in meets during those two months.

I like WW had a family member commit suicde - it is upseting and glares right at you when you read comments like the one above to sophie.. we can agree to disagree - saying making somoene commit suicide is in poor taste.. come on beag!

hi all, the team that Maura used to run for 2 years before she vanished ,had a meet in R.I.Feb 07 2004.Amy Markopoulos ran there before joining mrMurray and Maura at the Amherst Brewwing Co. that night.take care philip

peripeteia wrote:

Maura was not in trace and field competition at the time due to injury. Perhaps she ran occassionaly, however, as you are well aware running and weight bearing exercises would be contraindicated for such an injury.

Which doesn't mean we don't do it. It just means the doctor or trainer tells us not to.:)

Dawn wrote:

We still don't know if she was running or not. It may be a no no - if you are an avid runner - and are use to running through the pain - FC can relate to this as she is training for a marathon ( here in seattle - hope to see her). Unless you have been a runner - it's hard to understand. The runner's high is true - your body is use the edporphins - etc.......... I use to run and still have lots of friends who do - I ran with injuries - not recommended. Since everyone says she kept things to herself - running is very theraputic - unless you have experienced it . it is hard to understand.. I didn't start running until my 20's and I never understood the runners high until I had been running for about 3 months - that is when it finally kicked it......... reminds me......... I need to start running again.

Uh.....not training for a marathon in Seattle....sorry! I know there is one, and I'd have loved to go, but I'm running in Pittsburgh in May.

Oh bummer.. I thought you had posted once it started in Tukwillaloo ??? Darn..... I was hoping to meet you.

Dawn wrote:

Beagle
I have a question for you. You have done ALOT of research and investigatin on behalf of both the Murray Bish cases. Definately more than most!!!! I would say even more than anyone else here on the forum. Not to mention your other research you do on how the companies are linked from MA to NH.
My question is :
Did you know Maura or ever see her around ? Since you live in the area.. maybe you did.. I don't know. This has probably been answered already.. my apologies if it has.
I'm just curious.. I think you might have actually known her.

Try one more time before I am off for the weekend.

Beagle??? throw me a bone