Where is MAURA MURRAY

Hi all ,just reading about something called a Voice Spectrograph.It is a machine that recognizes a voice.I assume L.E or someone has a a copy of the voice mail to Billy.This could show if Maura made the call and more importantly if she was alive on the 11th of February.As I understand ,even though Billy erased the voice mail from his phone it could have still been in the system and stored for 2 years after that.Go technology.Take care philip

FireCat wrote:

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Only if she were conscious.

Agreed, but wit no evidence of blunt force anywhere in the vehicle (blood splatters, tissue disorganization) it would take some type of asphyxiation by chemical or choking, which would still require her to be dragged out of the vehicle and carried. Those marks (dragging anyway) would be left in the snow (I think the driver's side door up against the snow bank?) Her scent was lost midroad--so if someone pulled up to her, she'd have been at a greater advantage to scream and run away.

sara wrote:

This question is for anyone who may know the answer. Is it common for LE to say publicly that they think a missing person may have run away or committed suicide when they may know otherwise? Reason I ask, as recently as this Feb. on the fifth year of Maura missing, LE had stated in a couple of news articles that they still believe she ran away. If they have a POI, would it not be hindering the case to put this false info out in the public? I would think they would plead for new tips and leads in order to rule out POI. Does this make sense or am I out in left field here?

No, you have been making some great points.

If you could find those articles again could you post those quotes?

Thanks!

Sara wrote:

Was LE @ the A frame search?

No. They were apparently invited, but were not present.

Anne was there, though.

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>Agreed, but wit no evidence of blunt force anywhere in the vehicle (blood splatters, tissue disorganization) it would take some type of asphyxiation by chemical or choking, which would still require her to be dragged out of the vehicle and carried. Those marks (dragging anyway) would be left in the snow (I think the driver's side door up against the snow bank?) Her scent was lost midroad--so if someone pulled up to her, she'd have been at a greater advantage to scream and run away.

At 120 pounds, even of deadweight if she were unconscious, she could have been easily picked up and slung over someone's shoulder, or cradled.

I'm not saying I believe this is likely, but it's a possibility.

A person can also sustain a pretty hard knock to the noggin and lose consciousness (either then or when standing up after, say, hitting one's head on the windshield and then getting out of the car.

whiston wrote:

Hi all ,just reading about something called a Voice Spectrograph.It is a machine that recognizes a voice.I assume L.E or someone has a a copy of the voice mail to Billy.This could show if Maura made the call and more importantly if she was alive on the 11th of February.As I understand ,even though Billy erased the voice mail from his phone it could have still been in the system and stored for 2 years after that.Go technology.Take care philip

I'm not sure how sensitive that stuff is....would they be able to analyze something like crying an sniffing, if the caller didn't actually speak?

oo00oo wrote:

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No, you have been making some great points.
If you could find those articles again could you post those quotes?
Thanks!

http://wbztv.com/local/Fred.Murray.New.2.9294...

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/...

Here are a couple that this was stated. I will try to find more.

The Beck School is ran by a Mt. Lakes resident!
Which would have been a memeber of the committee
to approve use the Lodge!

All others where informed by the Search via
a small notice in the Local Paper.

MMM had made mention of it then Helena was
told by PI's it was on DL.

Members like Pike where left out for those who
where on the MMM forum remember him looking for
it and Helena's appolize later that it wasn't a
public event.

Fit members like Shack who got the key
to the A-Frame where included and around
to make runs to the booze very important
job!

So if the invite was via the paper like the neighbors received no wonder LE didn't show up.

Shack wrote:

Sara, all of the Woodsville/Haverhill, NH area hamlets/precincts were asked for help with that
October 2006 search. The Becket School was more than helpful in accomodations and food for all of the ccsar.org volunteers. I was at the Mt.Lakes Lodge the days of the search. I was told that LE was requested to attend...and that the request was
denied. If LE was there that weekend, in any capacity, I was not aware.

FireCat wrote:

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No. They were apparently invited, but were not present.
Anne was there, though.

Sara, I did not see any local or state le there at the search. I think it important though to note that many of the PI's there were former LE in different capacity. On a light note, they certainly acted like police and kept to themselves and did not share much! lol

Anne wrote:

<quoted text>Sara, I did not see any local or state le there at the search. I think it important though to note that many of the PI's there were former LE in different capacity. On a light note, they certainly acted like police and kept to themselves and did not share much! lol

Thank you Anne

whiston wrote:

Hi all ,just reading about something called a Voice Spectrograph.It is a machine that recognizes a voice.I assume L.E or someone has a a copy of the voice mail to Billy.This could show if Maura made the call and more importantly if she was alive on the 11th of February.As I understand ,even though Billy erased the voice mail from his phone it could have still been in the system and stored for 2 years after that.Go technology.Take care philip

You are correct. I believe the LE recorded the call as well - played from his phone and recorded. This would have taken some good effort but the call could have been traced as well. The caller id number is a dummy id that is used - however - it still needed to go through the central office to hand off to billys phone since they do not make wireless calling cards - pre paid minute cards - but those are completely different.

Sara wrote:

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http://wbztv.com/local/Fred.Murray.New.2.9294...
http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/...
Here are a couple that this was stated. I will try to find more.

Hi Sara
I think that LE will make statements like this to see if the POI - gets lazy etc. If he/she doesn't think they are on to them - they might relax and make mistake. I do think this is common. Just like with Casey Anthony - she was their POI from day one - but they let her go about do her regular schedule -while they were secretly following her / listening to her / reading her text messages etc.. all while they built up a stronger case against her. Remember they arrested her prior to a body being found. Same with Scott Peterson I believe.

Dawn wrote:

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You are correct. I believe the LE recorded the call as well - played from his phone and recorded. This would have taken some good effort but the call could have been traced as well. The caller id number is a dummy id that is used - however - it still needed to go through the central office to hand off to billys phone since they do not make wireless calling cards - pre paid minute cards - but those are completely different.

Dawn, I've been trying to find info stating that LE did record that call...could you direct me to where you found it? Thanks!

Dawn wrote:

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Hi Sara
I think that LE will make statements like this to see if the POI - gets lazy etc. If he/she doesn't think they are on to them - they might relax and make mistake. I do think this is common. Just like with Casey Anthony - she was their POI from day one - but they let her go about do her regular schedule -while they were secretly following her / listening to her / reading her text messages etc.. all while they built up a stronger case against her. Remember they arrested her prior to a body being found. Same with Scott Peterson I believe.

Thanks Dawn. In the Casey Anthony case they were able to get their POI in less than a year. With Maura's case it has been over five years now, perhaps they need to try a new strategy as they have not even arrested one person to this day. Seems after five years they would have something if they had a POI, but that is just my opinion.

Casey Anthony is quite obvious about the POI. There are many cases that go on for years and years. Double Jeopardy - they can only try it once so without a body - we can only speculate. I can tell you this is not uncommon. We just had a case solved in was from the 70's. Gary Ridgeway for example walked around for 15 years as a POI..........

scooter - the call be recorded was shared with me from a family source

Dawn wrote:

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You are correct. I believe the LE recorded the call as well - played from his phone and recorded. This would have taken some good effort but the call could have been traced as well. The caller id number is a dummy id that is used - however - it still needed to go through the central office to hand off to billys phone since they do not make wireless calling cards - pre paid minute cards - but those are completely different.

I know the call was traced as far as a calling card. Sharon and the Murrays were told that without the PIN from the card, that call could not be traced further. I don't know (because I remember you discussing this when you first joined) what they can do further for lew enforcement, but I suspect they can go further with it than they could for Joe Q. Public.

As for the call being recorded for the police, I cannot recall that. I'll have to check with Helena, but I don't actually recall being told that it was recorded by the police during playback.

On the turnpike today I saw a pick up truck from NH with a temporary commercial plate that was red letters on a white background. IIRC R.O. stated that the plates looked like Mass. plates which would be red and white.

Dawn wrote:

Casey Anthony is quite obvious about the POI. There are many cases that go on for years and years. Double Jeopardy - they can only try it once so without a body - we can only speculate. I can tell you this is not uncommon. We just had a case solved in was from the 70's. Gary Ridgeway for example walked around for 15 years as a POI..........
scooter - the call be recorded was shared with me from a family source

Thanks Dawn, that makes sense.

Let's say you live in an exceptionally safe neighborhood. About 7-8 other houses have a clear view of at least large parts of your yard and house. One of the neighbors is a state cop. There has been zero vandalism in the area for decades. Some people still leave their doors unlocked while away for the day. Your house has not been vandalized or broken into since it was built in the late 1940's. Everyone on the street knows everyone else. The biggest outrage is this past winter's nocturnal invasion by deer eating the shrubs.

So if you post that the Corolla was examined very closely by LE after it was taken from the motel, and a few hours after this info was posted your yard is vandalized - not a lot, but enough - then you have to keep in mind that it might not be entirely coincidental. The first vandalism EVER just HOURS after posting about the Corolla?

There's an excellent chance that the posting upset someone. I don't think it was Toyota. I think it was someone closely connected to Maura Murray's disappearance.

Beagle, I remember you telling this a while back, it was unnerving. Was anything found out? Did you report to police?

I had an unnerving 'vistor' myself last year, He made me uncomfortable asking strange questions. I did track him down and he is from Mass (as of last year) but has a business in western state.

I follow your conversations since this man's company had unusual government contacts.