Where is MAURA MURRAY

What I keep trying to say is The number could be found in the contacts area of the cell phone. If you're smart you better turn that phone off now that you've found what you need. Calling cards are a crooks way now with caller ID. You can use one to call your next door neighbor and claim you are in another state for example, on business.

CONCERNING DRU SJODIN: Her boyfriend says:
He tried to call her several times but there was no answer. It was later that evening that Lang says he received another call from Dru's cell phone. He says he could only hear wind and static and a few tones, like someone pressing buttons.

The call's signal was traced to a tower near Crookston. Lang says a couple hours later, police were contacted. Sjodin's body was not found until the following April four miles from Rodriguez's home in Crookston. The phone was found nearby.
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We later found out that the guilty as charged Rodregus was the one "playing" with the phone later on that night. Whether or not he knew he had made a call we don't know.

Paris wrote:

<quoted text> Let me try this again:
A perp has locked someone in a closet where they whimper and moan. They have been in there for hours and know they can't get out, they are openly mourning.......
On the other side of the door the perp has all of the persons belongings. They've seen the name Billy or Honey and decide that's the boyfriend. They turn off the cell and go to a phone with the calling card, make the call and hold the phone up to the outer side of the closet door. The person inside would not know they were doing this or yes, they'd scream something if they could. Even A loose bandana gag would let out muffled sounds....
Again, I just thought this could be another way to explain the call and how it could even possibly be Maura if Billy and Sharon believed it as such.

This is certainly an interesting and well-reasoned scenario, but one thing seems out of place to me. If the call was made two days after Maura disappeared, wouldn't a perp, knowing, of course, that he had just kidnapped Maura, allow for the possibility that LE figured she was kidnapped, too?

Even though the use of a calling card might shield the source of a call from consumers like us, wouldn't a perp would assume that LE could locate the source of that call pretty quickly if they had to? It seems too risky for a perp to use the phone at the same location he is keeping his/her victim, especially two days later - even by using a calling card. Possible, but it seems very, very risky.

The initials AMRC were used by LE to refer to the calling card owner. After a brief but broad search on the Red Cross website, I cannot find where they refer to themselves by AMRC. Or even ARC. In fact, when I quickly Googled AMRC, I got nothing about the Red Cross. Some nice real estate on Captiva Island, and something about climate in Antarctica, but nothing about the Red Cross.

On the other hand, when I look up American Medical Response (known in NH as EmCare, the ambulance company), which uses AMR, I can see how someone might use a corporate designation to arrive at AMRC, such as American Medical Response Corporation.

Coincidentally, EmCare and First Student are/were owned by the same company, a major stockholder of which lives in Amherst, MA.

gvmeabrk wrote:

If that is the case, maybe they are not from NH? What do you think?

I think if a person has a job to do they will travel whether it be crook, thief, or otherwise. A trucker for example,(innocent or not)could be in your town and back as part of his normal schedule and none the wiser. Then there is the chance that more than one is involved in this and things connected. People relocate all the time, but they go back to visit, maybe do business, what have you. Some criminals will drive for hours, aimlessly looking, practicing, waiting for the right moment. As for whatever is going on with BeagleBart, I agree, put up cameras.

Eurobserver wrote:

Hello all,
This may not mean anything, but having read Mr Vasi´s communication with Paris (post # 1995)I had a quick look at the UMass Amherst campus map on the UMass web site.
It seems that the Emerson Building is located practically next door to the Kennedy Building (Maura´s dorm) and the Melville Building (where Maura worked her security desk job).
This geographical proximity may be pure coincidence, but it none the less left me thinking.
Anybody else???
Thanks!

Actually, the same thought would occur to anyone who has not spent any time in SW. I didn't go to UMass, but I did go to a college very nearby. I can safely say that if I didn't know the vast majority of students at a relatively intimate college of 1600 students, I doubt that the thousands who live in SW would necessarily know each other simply because of their proximity to each other.

I'll try to post some photos and videos of SW in the next week or two, just to give an idea of its size to those not familiar with the place. It really is like a small town. It even has its own gallery - Hampden Gallery.

No, you can't trace a calling card and not alot of people know that, true. Not to beat a dead horse but if someone had a point to make, they'd risk it just like they would if they took her, police or not. Now adays you can buy a cell phone, the prepaid kind with cash, no ID. You don't have to say who you are as far as I know. Best buy didn't do anything but ring it up for a guy ahead of me......just thought of that again.

Paris wrote:

No, you can't trace a calling card and not alot of people know that, true. Not to beat a dead horse but if someone had a point to make, they'd risk it just like they would if they took her, police or not. Now adays you can buy a cell phone, the prepaid kind with cash, no ID. You don't have to say who you are as far as I know. Best buy didn't do anything but ring it up for a guy ahead of me......just thought of that again.

I hear what you're saying, and it should be explored further, but it still seems like way too risky a thing to do, even for a nut case who was teasing LE.

I think the AMRC connection should be looked at a little more closely to see whether the card really was issued to the American Red Cross or not. Shouldn't be too hard to do.

Thanks for the added info from Vasi. If he lived in Emerson, then that might help establish his direction of travel that night. Ask him if he remembers "using" a cemetery near the bar, even weeks or months before the hit-and-run. Thanks. Happy 4th.

BeagleBart, I think about connections like you do, glad I'm not alone. People tell me to stop thinking everything is connected, but dang, sure seems like it when you lay it out after the fact and sometimes before, so I pay attention to it.

Dru was getting calls at her work and being followed for days and if that were me, I'd have the numbers down for the record just in case. I would already have everyone know I thought there was a problem. Dru also reported a black truck seemingly following her. She just should not have walked to her car alone in the dark that night. But those dang cell phones have people thinking they are not alone........

Tide and cheer are owned by the same parent company and so they can get away with some of the commercials they make comparing one to the other. Sneaky, works.........
Sara Lee owns Hanes, Wrangler, Lee and many other non food comapnies.(still waking up).....
anyhow I think there could be a connection to Amherst, but I also think it followed Maura to NH and what a coincidence that unmarked official looking vehicle is........

For this record I repeat: I think Maura was taken out before the place her Saturn wound up. I think there was a man seen there in addition to "Maura" fill in. I have no idea what could be going on but it had to be kept top secret it seems. I hope we find Maura alive someday. Miracles still happen.

BeagleBart wrote:

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Thanks for the added info from Vasi. If he lived in Emerson, then that might help establish his direction of travel that night. Ask him if he remembers "using" a cemetery near the bar, even weeks or months before the hit-and-run. Thanks. Happy 4th.

HUH? How do I ask such a question, please further explain the cemetary thing or he might wonder too and I need to be able to explain better, thanks

I think calling cards are like lottery tickets, the scratch offs. They both have codes that cannot be seen until you scratch them off. The codes are random, they have no tracable meaning. I asked a detective if he could check the pay phone in the area of the accident to at least see if it had a record of being used in that same moment. It would not prove anything but it would show a possibility the call came from that spot, or take it to any spot for that matter. My phone.......I use calling card, call neighbor, fake him out. He goes to police, thinks it's me. They have reason to think it's me but my calling card is useless, dead end to them. Would the fact that I was on the phone (phone company usage records)....would that help show it could well been me because the call was two minutes at the same time neighbor was called?

Paris wrote:

<quoted text>I think if a person has a job to do they will travel whether it be crook, thief, or otherwise. A trucker for example,(innocent or not)could be in your town and back as part of his normal schedule and none the wiser. Then there is the chance that more than one is involved in this and things connected. People relocate all the time, but they go back to visit, maybe do business, what have you. Some criminals will drive for hours, aimlessly looking, practicing, waiting for the right moment. As for whatever is going on with BeagleBart, I agree, put up cameras.

I could be wrong, but I think she was referring to the fact that if the perp was in my backyard twice this past week, then he likely does not live too far away. Three hours is possible, but my previous posts distinctly were not referring to anyone in the Haverhill area. There would be no reason for someone from NH to come down here if I wasn't pointing in that direction. If anything, I was pointing away from Haverhill. Whoever lifted those logs was reasonably stong. They weigh about 100 pounds or more each. They also knew how to trick the motion detector into thinking it was daylight and not stay on the rest of the night.

Paris wrote:

<quoted text>HUH? How do I ask such a question, please further explain the cemetary thing or he might wonder too and I need to be able to explain better, thanks

Sorry, the cemetery is right behind the three bars. It's sometimes used for, well, not to be disrepectful, but for peeing and puking. When you're that age, that is.

BeagleBart wrote:

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I could be wrong, but I think she was referring to the fact that if the perp was in my backyard twice this past week, then he likely does not live too far away. Three hours is possible, but my previous posts distinctly were not referring to anyone in the Haverhill area. There would be no reason for someone from NH to come down here if I wasn't pointing in that direction. If anything, I was pointing away from Haverhill. Whoever lifted those logs was reasonably stong. They weigh about 100 pounds or more each. They also knew how to trick the motion detector into thinking it was daylight and not stay on the rest of the night.

Sorry, I really have to correct this stupid ambiguosity: The logs were heavy, weighing about 100 pounds each. The logs did not mess with the motion detector. The person messing with the logs probably came back and messed the the motion detector. Obvious what I meant, but something I had to correct nonetheless.

Walking from any bar in downtown Amherst back to SW would not include passing through the intersection of Mattoon and Triangle unless it was the intersection of those two streets across from the cemetery AND Vasi was in or very near the cemetery. But when you're drunk, well, anything is possible. So I've heard, anyway.

Ok, I'll wonder now. Did Maura see/have knowledge of something sinister.....as a man struggles to get back to his dorm real close to where Maura is working.......
Does she witness something, even just in the form of a phone call to put her in danger? Does she cry because now she's in jeopardy? Does she go to her room to meet someone, do they talk about all that has happened? Is it so upsetting that Maura, not paying attention hits the rails with her dads car? Does she have more to tell Billy? Does she talk to this person the day before she leaves. Do the police even know but won't say. Does Maura feel down and wants to include Billy but can't? Is that the reason she says she doesn't want to talk to anyone really, not even him but will call later on. Is she forced to pack all her things to make it look like she's leaving for good? Is an old letter to or from Billy a good deception for the room Maura will no longer occupy? Is she really seen leaving with a "bag" at 4:15 or so and was she even in her car? Who saw her? Is she followed? If someone else was in her room did THEY do the searching for directions? Who doesn't want to get Maura into trouble? Was she already in trouble....was that person asking a part of the problem.....I keep thinking of what Kathleen said "something went wrong".....what does that mean and is the meaning hidden?

BeagleBart wrote:

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Sorry, the cemetery is right behind the three bars. It's sometimes used for, well, not to be disrepectful, but for peeing and puking. When you're that age, that is.

Oh, ok, thank you, I see

I'll say it again... There are facts that could easily be supplied by those who have them. Otherwise, this discussion board is more akin to a honey pot than anything else. It's mainly here to SEEK information as opposed to PROCESSING it. That's why there is a question/answer ratio of about a million to one. It's all questions and very few answers, even though many of the answers are easier to get than asking the same quesions over and over. I just did it myself this week. Gas was the biggest expense.

Why spend six hours asking the same question year in and year out, when in two hours the answer can be known permanently? LE can find out virtually everything the posters on this board can find out, plus a whole lot more. That's their job. They do it every day.

Not to get off-topic, but the recent Colombian rescue was in the works for a very, very long time. It was only a few weeks ago that I put two and two together and realized something was going forward. Up until that point, for about 4 years, it really looked like Washington just did not life a finger. Even the families felt that way. But all along, they were on top of it day and night, having spent $250,000,000 getting them out. Maybe LE has gone onto other more easily solved crimes, which they probably should, but that doesn't mean they are not active in ways the public doesn't see. It's very confusing. And occassionally, pretty treacherous. Does honestly intentioned posting here draw the interest of LE in unwanted ways? Does LE have a specific target in mind? Do they monitor this board? Do they post? It's just impossible to know, same as with the calling cards. Some facts can be known, some not. Just hinking out loud.

Paris,
Please use your head for goodness sake. What possibly could come from Vasi 'using' a cemetary weeks, even months prior to his accident? I would also suggest you have some sort of intuition within yourself. Please listen to it.

Paris wrote:

I keep thinking of what Kathleen said "something went wrong".....what does that mean and is the meaning hidden?

Dragonfly say, "The truth is sometimes hidden, lies sit on the surface and fade with time allowing the truth to shine though." That what Dragonfly say.