Where is MAURA MURRAY

Wowzer wrote:

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I am guessing that any lab that tested it and found that it was blood from a women would have tested it further for DNA since the whole reason for taking the rug was to see if the stains were Maura's. Am I wrong?
It makes absolutely no sense and I think either people are making things up or they are holding back some important info.

Or a third possibility--that they themselves are misinformed, innocently. Sometimes people just flat-out get stuff wrong; it doesn't necessarily mean any willful misdoing on their part.

FireCat, It is my understanding that LE never accepted the rug at all because they wanted nothing to do with PI. I guess, if that is true, there was no DNA on anything presented to LE. I will hope someone who knows will reign in otherwise.

Beagle Bart, I am happy for you and family for the release of the hostages and your cousin.

Anne wrote:

FireCat, It is my understanding that LE never accepted the rug at all because they wanted nothing to do with PI. I guess, if that is true, there was no DNA on anything presented to LE. I will hope someone who knows will reign in otherwise.
Beagle Bart, I am happy for you and family for the release of the hostages and your cousin.

Thank you very much. Quiet diligence paid off in the long run.

Anne wrote:

FireCat, It is my understanding that LE never accepted the rug at all because they wanted nothing to do with PI. I guess, if that is true, there was no DNA on anything presented to LE. I will hope someone who knows will reign in otherwise.
Beagle Bart, I am happy for you and family for the release of the hostages and your cousin.

I'd assume the family would immediately have had the carpet tested to see whether Maura had been in the A-frame. It's certainly easy enough to do. In fact, the PI's had all the time they needed to scour the place and remove many other potential DNA samples, too. Maura's presence or lack of presence in the house probably was established not long after it was searched.

Beagle Bart, I do not want to sound argumentive, but do you know this for a fact. I struggle with what is fact and what is statements and theory!

Anne wrote:

Beagle Bart, I do not want to sound argumentive, but do you know this for a fact. I struggle with what is fact and what is statements and theory!

No problem. However, nothing in what I wrote was presented as fact. That's why it reads, "I'd assume..." and "probably."

I was simply responding to the statement by ANOTHER poster that blood was found in the carpet samples taken from the house. I myself know absolutely nothing about what was found. What I said was in the CONTEXT of found blood as stated by someone else. I did not say that blood was found in the A-frame and I did not further that statement.

Now, within the CONTEXT of the previous poster's remarks...

If it were your daughter that was missing, and the PI's emerged from a house worth searching with a sizeable sample of DNA, would you say, "No, the house was worth searching, but we don't want to know whether Maura was there?" Would you say to NOT test the carpet for DNA?

The house was searched. They had time to collect all kinds of potential DNA samples.

I hope this is clearer. Please let me know if it is not. Thanks.

Readsmpretty clear to me..

hi all.where does Tim Carpeter , Kathleen Murrays husband fit into all of this.who in the family did give blood for d.n.a.testing.who in the Murray family that actually has met Maura has given any information about her life before she vanished.i can help you with the answer, nobody.before Maura vanished we have nothing from her family except for high school athlete ,west point athlete.we miss her a lot but we won't tell you where she worked or where she went to class or when she had a free day or which bank she used or which liquor store she was last seen in because 'we dont know'.also if Maura took the job in Oaklahoma this would have been her first time away from her family that i know of that was not easily a drive away.hanson m..a to west point n.y. is about 4 hours and 20 minutes.hi Shack.take care philip

Late October, 2006

Volunteers lead a two day search within a few miles of where Maura's vehicle was found. In one particular area, a closet of an A-Frame house, cadaver dogs went "bonkers," identifying the likely presence of decomposed human remains. A sample of the carpet was sent to the New Hampshire State Police - no tests are known to have been conducted.[7]
http://64.233.169.104/search?q =cache:OOA_2G8LsVUJ:en.wikiped ia.org/wiki/Maura_Murray+A+fra me,+maura+murray&hl=en &ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=u s&ie=UTF-8

I don't know who contributed this info, but thought I'd post it since we're talking about the A Frame.

Anne wrote:

FireCat, It is my understanding that LE never accepted the rug at all because they wanted nothing to do with PI. I guess, if that is true, there was no DNA on anything presented to LE. I will hope someone who knows will reign in otherwise.
Beagle Bart, I am happy for you and family for the release of the hostages and your cousin.

OK---so why dont the PI's contact the owner (still the owner who owned it then) and use luminol in the closet to look for blood? If blood was on a carpet, then it probably soaked through to the floor boards as well.

BeagleBart wrote:

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Sorry, that could be a good point. I just figured that if there was any danger, it would come from someone who already knew where the house was or could find it without any assistance. The house must be pretty well-known in the area. I was primarily interested in whether a certain western Mass. person I have in mind owned it in 2004, before, or since.

The owner is from Watertown, Mass. I believe they've owned it since the early to mid 1970's. The house is well known but more so I think because the renters were not keeping the property in accordance with the expectations of the area and its in one of those most travelled parts of Mt. Lakes!

Eurobserver wrote:

Hi Curious Sort,
Welcome onboard!
It´s always good to see new people posting here and we look forward to your contributions.
The mauramurraymissing.com site was actually closed some time ago.
It was run by Helena Murray, a relative of Maura´s, whose heavy workload running and administering the site was, I understand, a main reason for its closure.

Thanks. It wasn't that long ago,what a shame the archives got shut down as well -lots of info there. Seems like the second time this has happened - the old mauramurray.com archives went bye bye as well. Can understand being a lot to run a board, but, she could have turned off the posting and left the archives. Seems the board there got shut down since this one started - wonder why. Some of the comments here do seem to have a ring of truth, and having the archives could only help determine the truth - if that is what one is after.

Curious Sort wrote:

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Thanks. It wasn't that long ago,what a shame the archives got shut down as well -lots of info there. Seems like the second time this has happened - the old mauramurray.com archives went bye bye as well. Can understand being a lot to run a board, but, she could have turned off the posting and left the archives. Seems the board there got shut down since this one started - wonder why. Some of the comments here do seem to have a ring of truth, and having the archives could only help determine the truth - if that is what one is after.

There is lots of speculation on the second site which continued the speculation from the first site. Very little hard information.

Very little information from the immediate family also. I could never understand why Fred or any of the immediate family never, not once to my remembering, contributed any information directly.

Harv

i've tried not posting for a while. Teagle, i wasn't in wellfleet --- yet --- that's coming up.(I grew up in Falmouth, Seacoast Shores.) But your comment and Wellfleet and the the new, stunning, dropped info about the type of blood in the closet of the Valley Road A-frame house pulled me back here.

Having seen the A-frame, with all its windows (saw no blinds recently), etc., I wouldn't be surprised if the closet was one of the few places to "hold" someone without risking any sighting through a window. I'm sick at heart for whatever woman may have been confined there, I'm sorry and pray it's not what we are thinking.

Was the recent revealing of this a SLIP-UP by the long-time MMM poster, letting the public in on this info?

Was this something that was known for a long time by many in the inner circle --- but not the public?

Since this A-frame had a rep for many undesirable activities, could this blood sample be from another female, another time? Was it ID'ed as "menstrual blood" (by gross analysis), but was not in the proper shape (old, degraded?) to be tested for DNA? DID it (either section of rug) actually get professionally tested for DNA, age of the sample, etc.?

Why do we always get droppings of new and startling information at certain times throughout this multi-year wait for resolution?

I noticed on the old MMM board that when things were quieting down or when posters were headed in "other", maybe upsetting or controversial directions that a new fact would then be dropped. It was wondered if it was to reactivate posters or to redirect their thinking.

This new revelation was shocking and made me believe that the PIs and LE who weren't allowed to say much were really trying all this time to tell us that THEY KNOW it's a crime and they can't reveal more. Just trust them. When Weeper posted his facts somehow to many people things still seemed open to debate. Maybe the posters need to be told more specifically what speculations have long since been PROVEN wrong, even if more known facts can't be revealed.

I also think that until we are told just that: IT IS CONFIRMED TO BE FOUL PLAY WHICH OCCURRED RANDOMLY, no relationship to Amherst, who Maura is herself, who her friends were, what her mood was, what her activities were....that we should continue to explore events in Amherst, contacts of Maura, etc.

If the family KNOWS things for a fact that indicate foul play is what occurred that Monday evening in Haverhill, but are unable to share them, then we should be told this and then advised that these forums about Maura should be changed to be just for "family support" to reduce additional great pain to the family.

On the other hand, if the new info about the blood in the closet at the valley rd. a-frame is true, then maybe OH MY's early comments should be looked at more seriously.

Thank you. I assumed I didn't get it but now I probably do! LOL

I meant thank you to Beagle Bart!

Shack, help me out here with some facts--here's what I remember:
there was a woman who was found dead in the area of the A frame but it goes back some years--she was found to have "drowned" in a shallow brook that is across the area from the A frame (at the base of the ski area I believe) The cadaver dogs rediscovered her scent at one time in that area while searching for Maura. She's got a name---I can't remember it right now though!

Would a spontaneous abortion (miscarriage) produce the same type of blood/body fluids that is being considered menstrual flow?

Her name was Pauline Clark........sorry about that

Quija,

Nice to see you posting again here.

Yes, I totally agree with you that unless we are specifically told otherwise, we should continue looking at Amherst, MA, and all possibly relevant aspects of Maura´s life there.

I also think that the same should be the case for West Point, NY, Hanson, MA, Haverhill, NH, and Bartlett, NH, where Maura spent so many vacations hiking the White Mountains with her family.

After all, Maura grew up in Hanson, MA, and lived there until being accepted as a cadet at West Point, NY, where she stayed for three terms, until tranferring to become a nursing student at UMass Amherst.
Her Saturn was found empty in Haverhill, NH, and Maura also spent many vacations in Bartlett, NH, hiking the White Mountains.

Obviously, all and any of these places and the connections Maura may have had with people there might well have a bearing on whatever happened to her.

Thoughts, ideas?
Thanks!

Hey Q--wondered when we'd hear from you again! We need all ears and thinking-caps (tin foil hats??) on deck for Maura. Glad you're back.