Where is MAURA MURRAY

WTF wrote:

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Yep, the modern touchy, feely world that we now live in. If he perceives he is being threatened he must have been threatened. Perception doesn’t make reality. If he was delusional or paranoid mommy and daddy should have gotten him help. This could have been avoided in its entirety by Liko simply stopping and obeying the police officer who was discharging his sworn duty. At each step the violence that was applied by the officer was a small ratcheting up as they are taught to do. First was verbal, then Liko drives away. Twice again he tries to stop the car eventually bumping Likos car to prevent it from leaving again. With no audio we don’t know if Liko might have been racing his engine signaling that he was going to try to run again. Don’t forget he clearly has proven he would do that based upon past behaviour. The officer tries to stop the threat simply by using non lethal means, mace or pepper spray. Likos response is to shoot him, as he is walking away clearly McKay is not a threat to anyone at that point. Liko shoot him probably at least some of the rounds are in the back of the officer as he is moving away. Then off camera Liko drives over the officer. Floyd may be a useless piece of crap, I don’t know the man, but clearly in this instance his actions were justified both in protecting his own life, ordering Liko to stay there and requiring him to comply with that order. ALl would be justified in just about any state in the country. Most states allow reasonable force to make him comply with that order. Liko was armed and obviously willing to use the weapon. He was clearly a threat to anyone else he came across at that point. Likos action again caused his own death by not dropping the gun when ordered to do so. The “threat” was gone, McKay was dead. I would have shot him also if he didn’t comply and kept trying to reload or clear his weapon. Floyds actions were clearly justified on several levels.
I also believe that anyone “looking for someone to shoot” would go out with a gun on them. Not just hope the situation provides one on the ground. Floyd put himself at considerable risk to help that officer. You really need to imagine what it would take to walk into an area where you just saw an officer shot down and run over, leaving the safety of your vehicle and go the officers side to try to help him from doing more damage by picking up a weapon that you may be unfamiliar with and attempt to make him stop doing that he is doing. Floyd may be a lot of things, he may be a lot of bad things but he stood up when it counted. That in no way exonerates him from any of the other things that he may have done but he did nothing wrong and a lot of things right in this instance.
Also many people have permits to carry concealed weapons. The last thing any of them wants to do is shoot someone.
Bill

White Wash wrote:

Accident heard but never comfirmed by
any documents released nor comfirmed
by anyone else hearing it.
Am I the only person who finds this odd?
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whiston wrote:

hi Beagle and all,i think the Salamones don't know me.they have had lots of calls.option 'c' is they were told by p.d to refer to p.d..i don't think p.d. would know how they advertised their condo unless they asked them.take care philip

Quija wrote:

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I know. I found a beautiful chipmunk tail in perfect condition and had to wonder how many critters would be needed to make a coat. So much for "all of God's creatures". Sorry.
CORRECTION: I do not know for a fact that the information removed on the Sheriff's log was the "first accident", but I remember the time/sequence of that (missing) log seemed to match and make it A POSSIBILITY only.

Eurobserver wrote:

Hello again,
Three (out of far too many) unsolved questions:
1. What caused the crack in the Saturn´s windscreen and was the damage caused by an internal or external force (various accontsn here)?
2. Why the rag in the Saturn´s tail-pipe?
And how could Officer CS of Haverhill PD have known about the "girl with a rag in the tail-pipe" when looking for the driver of the Saturn at the Weathered Barn "crash" site?
3. Why the (seeming) information "black-out" as for the presumed first "mystery" accident possibly involving Maura´s Saturn?
Why no known witnesses?
I know we´ve been over this many, many times before, but with some new contributors on this board, new ideas would be most welcome!
Thanks!

whiston wrote:

hi Beagle and all,i think the Salamones don't know me.they have had lots of calls.option 'c' is they were told by p.d to refer to p.d..i don't think p.d. would know how they advertised their condo unless they asked them.take care philip

FireCat wrote:

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That actually makes sense to me. If I were in a similar situation, referring people to the PD would likely be exactly what I'd do.(and is likely what my local PD would do, I'd hope.)
Do you plan to do so, philip?

whiston wrote:

hi firecat and all,no i really don't think that asking local p.d. how the Salamones advertised their condo will get me anywhere.the Salamones have my number in caller i.d. so i hope they might call me back .i am only hoping that any thought that we can come up with here will shake a few thoughts free and help finish this search for Maura Murray.take care philip

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BeagleBart wrote:

<quoted text>The rag in the tailpipe almost certainly represents an attempt by someone other than a tow truck driver to stall the engine, probably because the keys had been locked inside the car with the engine still running. It's a very common way of stopping a running engine when there is no access to the interior of the car. There are numerous references to this online. However, the rag will blow out if not held in place. A tow truck driver would not resort to using a rag to stop the car. He would simply use a tool common to tow truck drivers to enter the vehicle's interior and turn off the engine.
This implies two possible scenarios:
1) At some unknown location, the rag was used to stop the engine, which it probably succeeded in doing, and THEN the Saturn was towed to the Rt. 112 crash scene. Otherwise, the rag would have blown out of the tailpipe if the car had been driven, or even just run a little in place.
2)The Saturn could have had its engine stalled with a rag at the Rt. 112 crash site, but at some point, if I recall correctly, one of the Saturn's car doors was known to be open, so no need to stall the engine with a rag.
Of course, there are always small possibilities that something contradictory could creep into these scenarios, but this is the rough outline of probable events regarding the Saturn and the rag in the tailpipe.
Given the scant information we have, scenario #1 appears somewhat more likely, but maybe I'm overlooking something.

FireCat wrote:

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Question, which may already be known but having heard you run through these scenarios makes me doubt: Were the keys in fact in the car? Or are they among the things missing.
I know Fred and Billy said the car "started right up" but did they do this using a spare set of keys? Or did Maura leave hers behind, locked IN the car.
It's just occurred to me that I'm not sure I ever knew the answer to this. Thanks, Beagle, even though I know that wasn't the primary thrust of your post. But it got me asking.

White Wash wrote:

Accident heard but never comfirmed by
any documents released nor comfirmed
by anyone else hearing it.
Am I the only person who finds this odd?
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FireCat wrote:

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Question, which may already be known but having heard you run through these scenarios makes me doubt: Were the keys in fact in the car? Or are they among the things missing.
I know Fred and Billy said the car "started right up" but did they do this using a spare set of keys? Or did Maura leave hers behind, locked IN the car.
It's just occurred to me that I'm not sure I ever knew the answer to this. Thanks, Beagle, even though I know that wasn't the primary thrust of your post. But it got me asking.