Where is MAURA MURRAY

hi all, when was Maura up at Bartlett before she vanished .was she 5 or 19 years old.the thought has always been , well she stayed up there in the past' no she did not stay at thh Salamones condo in the past.i think finding out how she got there number is a big deal.the company that owned attitash in bartlett at the time also owned skiing resorts in vt.that is curious to me.did she get a mailer, an email etc.were there any groups at the conference centre that would include people from amherst or west point.if the Salamones owned 1 condo at Aattitash how was it advertised.dont forget Maura never called Attitash she called the Salamones.take care philip

Hello Whiston,

Thanks for your info regarding the keys, etc.
It would seem then that Maura (or whoever locked the car at the Weathered Barn) probably left with the "ordinary" car keys.

I´m still thinking about the possible implications if we were to assume that the SBD may actually never have seen a young lady at the Saturn - perhaps he didn´t even see anybody at all by the car?
Who can really tell, as he remains the sole known witness at the scene. His witness account - wavering and changing over the time - cannot be substantiated by one single person as far as is known.
The SBD may not have anything whatsoever to do with Maura´s disappearance, but we cannot possibly take it for granted that he actually did see a young lady in the driver´s seat of the Saturn.

As I stated in my earlier post:

If the Saturn was actually towed to the supposed "crash" scene at the Weathered Barn (irrespective of the actual towing distance), then why should the young lady driver (Maura or not Maura) be sitting behind the wheel of the Saturn?
For obvious reasons it´s highly unlikely that she would have remained sitting in the Saturn even for a shorter journey while the Saturen was being towed. Far, far too dangerous...
It just doesn´t make sense the more I think about it -
unless of course Maura (or the Maura look-alike) actually was driving the car herself and then accidentally spun round by the Weathered Barn curve, after having suffered another accident (the first, "mystery" one) just a few miles further west.

Euro, Good post for thinking. I wonder if it was the old fashioned tow with chain, where you needed a driver to steer? That driver may/may not be Maura.

May I say, I wonder about your long distance communications, that certainly doesn't make sense to me given the considerable knowlege you have. Also you sound familiar.

Keep posting, you make good points, I just thought I would add an observation of knowing whom you sound like.

Take it lightly, it's just a joke.

philip, there is a group that handles rentals for timeshares worldwide, I think if she called Attitash they would have connected her to this group whom would have given her their number and the availability of their condo.

1Anne wrote:

I wonder if it was the old fashioned tow with chain, where you needed a driver to steer? That driver may/may not be Maura.

Excellent thought. Maybe towed by the red pickup with MA plates? I remember using a chain - still have it - and towing with my truck a guy on Christmas Eve maybe 15 or so years ago who was stuck in the snow and mud. And he was a local guy, too. On a back road out in Worthington. So, yes, the Saturn's getting towed with a chain and Maura steering it makes very good sense. Couldn't go far, but perhaps would not have to.

Would then wonder who towed the Saturn?

Pete Townshend, Roger Daltry, Keith Moon, and John Entwistle.

(Sorry, couldn't help myself. No harm intended. Joke. Little jokey-poo.)

Beagle, say maybe the car spun on corner and slung car around by weathered barn, truck keeps going and then comes by the store looking for her and swings down and picks her up before police arrive. There was time.

SBD had seen her in vehicle, then moved his bus and was puzzled as she got into red truck and headed French Pond road.

Hello 1Anne,

Thanks for your post and your comments.
I would love to know who you think I remind you of...
Care to mention a name?!:)
It´d better be someone inspirational...

Seriously, I can assure you and all others that I´m indeed posting from far away Sweden.

I may seem to possess some shallow knowledge...
You see, I have been looking up practically everything on the net I´ve been able to find pertaining to Maura´s case, I´ve been looking hard at the Google maps of Amherst & Haverhill and surrounding areas, really trying hard to familiarise myself with the areas in question, scanning the web for pictures and videos of these geographical locations, etc, etc. I was following the postings on the MMM board for some time before it closed down earlier this year, but didn´t actually post anything at the time.

It´s amazing how much one can actually learn and find out just by making full use of the web and being a journalist certainly helps here, and having an enquiring mind as well!

I guess you could say that I feel such a strong sense of outrage on behalf of Maura after first seeing her case mentioned in a list of mysteriously missing people on the Wikipedia web page early this year. Before that I had never even
heard of her.

Out of the tragically many unexplained vanishings around the world Maura seemed to be tugging at my heart strings in a way that I can only compare to the sad case of Paula Jean Welden back in 1946. That particular case does have some similarities with that of Maura´s with both girls being students and of roughly the same age together with the distressing and seemingly bizarre circumstances of their disappearances.
Actually, I compiled all the current information on the Wikipedia web page of Paula Welden, having researched it as widely as possible and as a kind of tribute to the poor girl, whose case remains unsolved after nearly 62 years.
Let´s all fervently hope and pray that Maura´s case will not emulate that particular aspect of the Paula Welden tragedy. At least Maura has a network of web-based supporters working for her, however inadequate we may feel at times.

On a rather more positive note, I hope of all my heart that something may come of Advocator´s telephone call to the Barton,VT, church where Maura in the shape of "Raykel" may well have been seen three years ago.
That possible sighting of Maura is something that I constantly keep at the back of my mind as a glimmer of hope.
After all, the witness, Mr S, a highly respected member of the church congregation remarked on "Raykel´s" "unmistable runners legs" and later said that he remained 99 percent sure that he had indeed seen and spoken with Maura.

I wish you all a good night.

Just a quick observation regarding the most recent posts, before retiring for the night:

That MA(?)-reg red truck as observed by witness RO can´t surely have been in the neighbourhood of Maura´s Saturn just by pure chance.
Well, strictly speaking it could have been, but what are the chances for that being so and the strange behaviour of its driver as observed by witness RO by the Stagestop (?) store.
I would agree with 1Anne and Beagle here about the mysterious red truck probably being involved one way or other, either in a sinister way or as a kind of "helper".

I´m still not at all convinced, though, that the SBD did indeed see a young lady driver of the Saturn (Maura or a Maura "double") at the Weathered Barn. His wavering and constantly changing witness statements make me very suspicious indeed about the veracity of his supposed observations.

1Anne wrote:

.... maybe the car spun on corner and slung car around by weathered barn, truck keeps going and then comes by the store looking for her and swings down and picks her up before police arrive. There was time.

Do we know whether the Saturn's lights were working when it was found? I don't think we have heard about that. So ... how about this scenario:

Saturn acting up again, maybe stalled. Someone offers to give Maura a tow behind his pickup as far as Lincoln. Attaches Saturn to pickup with a tow chain. Maura remains in Saturn to steer it. White towel placed in the tailpipe to help other drivers see the Saturn if they were coming up from behind (Saturn was black, it is getting dark, Saturn has no working lights).

At some point while being towed in this fashion, Saturn slides hard into the back of this same truck, hitting the tow hitch which dents the front of the Saturn. Maybe the truck started up from a stop and then had to stop again quickly for some reason, Saturn slammed into the back of it.

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hi Euro. have you read the Maribeth Conway report .it is great it mentions other people seeing the saturn.take care philip

1Anne wrote:

Beagle, say maybe the car spun on corner and slung car around by weathered barn, truck keeps going and then comes by the store looking for her and swings down and picks her up before police arrive. There was time.
SBD had seen her in vehicle, then moved his bus and was puzzled as she got into red truck and headed French Pond road.

Hey, now that sounds very plausible indeed. Maybe the red pickup put the big dent in the hood.

I agree more or less with Euro (Tack så mycket) about the chance of a pickup truck driven in a strange way with MA plates on it just at that time and place.

I don't know how the Connecticut River Valley and I-91 corridor look to someone from Sweden, but if you stand on an I-91 overpass in western MA on a Friday afternoon/evening in February, you have to wonder how New Hamshire and Vermont will support the weight of all those cars from Connecticut, New York, and New Jersey heading north for the weekend.

I don't really know the Wells River/Woodsville area, but there's a lot of traffic back and forth among the three states of MA, NH, and VT.

Plus, THE absolutely biggest source of heroin and cocaine for most of I-91 corridor in NH and VT is Holyoke, MA. On a quiet night, I can hear the trucks on I-91, I'm that close to it. Every time I open the local paper, it seems, there's someone arrested by the state police from NH or VT on I-91 in western MA.

They are watched when they buy in Holyoke, then stopped by uni's on 91 North. Happens constantly and has happened constantly for many years now. But they keep coming south for dope as often as skiers and ski-mobilers go north in the winter.

So, a MA truck in Woodsville is not really that rare a thing, but I'd defer to the residents of the area on that one, for sure. All I know is there's a town/gown problem about everywhere you go. Especially in resort areas.

Advocator wrote:

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Do we know whether the Saturn's lights were working when it was found? I don't think we have heard about that. So ... how about this scenario:
Saturn acting up again, maybe stalled. Someone offers to give Maura a tow behind his pickup as far as Lincoln. Attaches Saturn to pickup with a tow chain. Maura remains in Saturn to steer it. White towel placed in the tailpipe to help other drivers see the Saturn if they were coming up from behind (Saturn was black, it is getting dark, Saturn has no working lights).
At some point while being towed in this fashion, Saturn slides hard into the back of this same truck, hitting the tow hitch which dents the front of the Saturn. Maybe the truck started up from a stop and then had to stop again quickly for some reason, Saturn slammed into the back of it.
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How about this sceanario indeed! Excellent! Really makes very good sense! Accounts for quite a lot of things, including the lights and the odd sighting of Maura in a car and not in a car, the cigarette/cell phone/whatever light, and on and on. Maybe there's a defect here, but at first glance, it really looks like a very good scenario. An excellent one, actually.

Now, for that truck!

Was Maura ever known to mention anything about guitars or musical instruments? Especially any kind of fretted instruments?

FireCat wrote:

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Thanks, although I wasn't ACTUALLY trying to be funny that time.(sometimes I guess it happens unintentionally, like my crankiness.)
Wait, there's an intermission? Who brought the Jiffy Pop?

Is there a tent to sit in while eating Jiffy Pop during intermission?

Maybe it's Mr. X on S in Bernardston? Driver very possibly knew really nearby area resident because of similar occupation and training. Has red pick up. Always chopping and stacking wood. Works near art gallery. Has Mondays off. Seems a little old, but possible. Maybe. Not sure. Will have to think this through.

looking4amoose wrote:

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Is there a tent to sit in while eating Jiffy Pop during intermission?

I ain't singing no Kumbaya stuff!

Advocator wrote:

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Do we know whether the Saturn's lights were working when it was found? I don't think we have heard about that. So ... how about this scenario:
Saturn acting up again, maybe stalled. Someone offers to give Maura a tow behind his pickup as far as Lincoln. Attaches Saturn to pickup with a tow chain. Maura remains in Saturn to steer it. White towel placed in the tailpipe to help other drivers see the Saturn if they were coming up from behind (Saturn was black, it is getting dark, Saturn has no working lights).
At some point while being towed in this fashion, Saturn slides hard into the back of this same truck, hitting the tow hitch which dents the front of the Saturn. Maybe the truck started up from a stop and then had to stop again quickly for some reason, Saturn slammed into the back of it.
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Advocator, That is a very usable theory! It looks like you thought of everything. Thanks, I will ponder on it as many here will.

Intermission's over for me. Besides which, I gotta see a man about a horse.

BeagleBart wrote:

<quoted text>Hey, now that sounds very plausible indeed. Maybe the red pickup put the big dent in the hood.
I agree more or less with Euro (Tack så mycket) about the chance of a pickup truck driven in a strange way with MA plates on it just at that time and place.
So, a MA truck in Woodsville is not really that rare a thing, but I'd defer to the residents of the area on that one, for sure. All I know is there's a town/gown problem about everywhere you go. Especially in resort areas.

A MA truck isn't odd at all in the area--when Maura disappeared, it was the begining of a construction boon in the area. There were quite a few houses being built in the area at the time, and even more built not long afterward. Sometimes the builders were local contractors but many out of state people were doing a lot of work without a formal contracter too. In addition, I'd say that only about half the houses that are in the area are actually full time residences--the rest are owned by people from Mass, RI, CT, NY. There are weekends when you see a lot more out of state cars/trucks in the area than you do NH plates.