Where is MAURA MURRAY

claysoup wrote:

I agree that it appears the Murray family were poorly treated by LE - and there is no excuse for it if there's no reason for it. But what is often perceived, understandably, as insensitive treatment is simply a routine method of getting the most information possible as quickly as possible, before a story line can be solidified by someone who might later turn out to be a suspect. Making people angry makes them slip up.
LE knows that the vast majority of murder victims knew their killer. In a huge percentage of these cases, it's someone close to the victim, often a family member.
It's hard to keep this in perspective, but LE's first obligation is not to the victim's family; it's to the state, to the public. I'm certainly not defending poor treatment of the family, but LE absolutely has to rule out the potential guilt of any family member as soon as possible. And that's when things can get pretty hot and permanently polarized.
The last thing LE needs is for a grieving family member to take the law into his own hands and ruin a case. In the first few days, no one knows how it's going to play out. LE is human. They do the best they can under stressful conditions. They make mistakes, especially in small towns accostomed to less serious crime. They rely on their experience and their training. For the money they're paid, it's not like you're going to get a lot of ex-Navy Seals with Harvard law degrees to apply for an opening.
Another reason LE often pushes away family members is Miranda. If there is even a small chance that one of them could later become a suspect, a defense attorney could claim that police were actually interrogating the suspect before reading the suspect his or her rights.
It's not like this was a murder case from the very start. In the view of LE, it transitioned from a simple missing person case to one of an endangered missing person to one of possible homicide. Choosing where within that transition time to read Miranda is not easy. And in many cases, once LE says, "You have the right to remain silent," that's exactly what happens.
LE often feels it's wiser to remain passively on the receiving end of information it never sought rather than to actively turn off the source by reading Miranda.

Detective Columbo wrote:

This case was messed up from the beginning. The worst police work I have heard about in the area, in years. Look for who.....WHY. There has to be a reason for that decision.
Columbo.....

claysoup wrote:

I agree that it appears the Murray family were poorly treated by LE - and there is no excuse for it if there's no reason for it. But what is often perceived, understandably, as insensitive treatment is simply a routine method of getting the most information possible as quickly as possible, before a story line can be solidified by someone who might later turn out to be a suspect. Making people angry makes them slip up.
LE knows that the vast majority of murder victims knew their killer. In a huge percentage of these cases, it's someone close to the victim, often a family member.
It's hard to keep this in perspective, but LE's first obligation is not to the victim's family; it's to the state, to the public. I'm certainly not defending poor treatment of the family, but LE absolutely has to rule out the potential guilt of any family member as soon as possible. And that's when things can get pretty hot and permanently polarized.
The last thing LE needs is for a grieving family member to take the law into his own hands and ruin a case. In the first few days, no one knows how it's going to play out. LE is human. They do the best they can under stressful conditions. They make mistakes, especially in small towns accostomed to less serious crime. They rely on their experience and their training. For the money they're paid, it's not like you're going to get a lot of ex-Navy Seals with Harvard law degrees to apply for an opening.
Another reason LE often pushes away family members is Miranda. If there is even a small chance that one of them could later become a suspect, a defense attorney could claim that police were actually interrogating the suspect before reading the suspect his or her rights.
It's not like this was a murder case from the very start. In the view of LE, it transitioned from a simple missing person case to one of an endangered missing person to one of possible homicide. Choosing where within that transition time to read Miranda is not easy. And in many cases, once LE says, "You have the right to remain silent," that's exactly what happens.
LE often feels it's wiser to remain passively on the receiving end of information it never sought rather than to actively turn off the source by reading Miranda.

just me wrote:

Oh and from my heart to all locals joining in to find out what happened, God bless and keep you in his perfect light for He rejoices in the truth and so should we.

claysoup wrote:

The best way to get the FBI involved is to convince them that Maura's disappearance is a likely homicide that started as a kidnapping in Vermont or Massachusetts and ended in New Hampshire.
Another alternative is to convince the FBI that Maura was the victim of a serial killer who operates across state lines.
Given the fixation on the Saturn's location, this isn't likely to happen.
Involving the FBI is sometimes a good thing and sometimes not. Look at what happened with Jimmy Bulger and John Connally in Boston. In order to nail Bulger, the Mass. State Police, Boston PD, and the DEA teamed up and left out the FBI because they couldn't be trusted.
And maybe it's possible that the FBI is already included, but they don't want to acknowledge it because doing so might imply the presence of a serial killer who might then flee.
It's a difficult, stressful case that involves a lot of imperfect human beings all the way around.

LvsNH wrote:

OH MY - Why does your font change in your various posts?

OH MY wrote:

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I hate to disagree but these country bumpkins have alot to learn, get paid way to much and pick on kids not criminals as the criminals know the law where the LE up here seek the easiest target.
I was fishing with an English Policeman the other day for a few days and he enforced the idea that LE in this area is lacking and say's exactly what I am saying, LE sux around here!!!

claysoup wrote:

We are among you, working beside you in all walks of life. Unless we told you who we were, you would probably never know us.

OH MY wrote:

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God Bless all who are involed here and behind the scenes....
I believe the Angels paved the way for me in this case!!!!!!!!!

LvsNH wrote:

OH MY - Why does your font change in your various posts?

Detective Columbo wrote:

This case was messed up from the beginning. The worst police work I have heard about in the area, in years. Look for who.....WHY. There has to be a reason for that decision.
Columbo.....

LAJFA wrote:

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I would have to agree ! Majority of them do.......as if they do not care. I would say 99% of them would not survive in the city for even one shift.

OH MY wrote:

<quoted text>Floyd must be outta jail as there was automatic gunfire out in franconia yesterday and he is the only one who does that!!!!!!!!

LAJFA wrote:

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Yes, several of them.