Where is MAURA MURRAY

Eurobserver wrote:

1Anne,
It seems that our judges have been taking a well-deserved holiday over the week-end, having been worn out by their heavy workload.
It would seem that you and I are the only ones around here right now, but with such pleasant and intelligent company, I´m certainly not complaining!

Well, Congress is recessing, maybe the judges take theirs now too!

Anyone for a letter writing campaign to NHSP to invite the FBI in?

http://www.fbi.gov/contact/fo/northeast.htm

Maybe it would be better for Boston FBI to have a rundown of where we are today vs where they left off in Amherst, 2004.
It looks like you'd have to contact Boston or NY FBI, but maybe this is a start.
Thank you Euro and everyone who keeps plugging along

elsewherebriefly wrote:

Dr. Godwin is the best we’ve got.

Best we got? Best what, we whoever we is, we got?

elsewherebriefly wrote:

Jeff,
Last I checked Maura’s was a major case listed on the NHSP website. It is highly possible that Dr. Godwin has submitted his findings directly to the agency in charge of the investigation. Ever thought about that?

OK, guess I won't get any answers to this and I'm not baiting you but it still needs to be explained. Yes, I have thought about that and it has no meaning. We are talking about his scientific methods and allowing them to be examined by other scientific professionals to give due consideration to their validity. That has not been done so there is no independent verification of the reliability, application, usefulness or effectiveness of his methodology. Then throws out how there is a serial killer in the area and he has killed two others and will kill again.

Him possibly calling the police and forwarding his "information" to the police isn't particularly meaningful. I am sure psychics call police agencies all the time also with tips. I don't think that police agencies really consider that useful information either.

Jeff

Jefferson wrote:

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Best we got? Best what, we whoever we is, we got?
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OK, guess I won't get any answers to this and I'm not baiting you but it still needs to be explained. Yes, I have thought about that and it has no meaning. We are talking about his scientific methods and allowing them to be examined by other scientific professionals to give due consideration to their validity. That has not been done so there is no independent verification of the reliability, application, usefulness or effectiveness of his methodology. Then throws out how there is a serial killer in the area and he has killed two others and will kill again.
Him possibly calling the police and forwarding his "information" to the police isn't particularly meaningful. I am sure psychics call police agencies all the time also with tips. I don't think that police agencies really consider that useful information either.
Jeff

Good luck getting an answer. I've asked twice how this expert came to the conclusion that he did and I still haven't gotten an answer.
I suppose the idea of a serial killer roaming the woods of NH is much more exciting and dramatic than any other scenerio that's been mentioned.
The circle is never ending and goes no where but it is strong and has lasted over 4 years. The wanderers just keep wandering endlessly around and around but it seems that they are happy doing so as they refuse to take a different path.

I think there are many paths going on all the time. I checked with Petrit. Not that it counts the idea out that he may have been hit by Maura's car but he didn't hear anything about Maura until 2 years after he was hit. Whiston, BB, Quija do legwork, Euro does alot from afar. You and Bill for example can keep us on our toes with the inner things you're doing, or trying to do, sharing what you know and think. Yes, there are circles, the closest one would be the family circle. I'm sure they may have to hold back some things at our expense, but they may have to. Same for the police, so many things they cannot say and I know they have their reasons, within their circle. I sometimes toss ideas around with friends here in my world but mostly stay in this type of circle. Yeah, it feels like going around and around, I agree. Someday though, we can all go home when the truth comes out. I'm just glad people continue to try. I think when Elsewhere says Mr. Godwin the best we've got, she's referring to the people in her group, the things they look at, maybe she can't give more info herself.
I'm ok at the google world. Maybe tomorrow I'll see if I can find something on this conclusion Mr. Godwin has come to and how, maybe even why. You never know, it might be out there with the right search terms.

a little info about Mr. Godwin
http://www.investigativepsych.com/main.htm

http://www.investigativepsych.com/jessicaluns...

http://www.investigativepsych.com/drugeoprofi...

http://www.investigativepsych.com/Michelle%20...

http://www.investigativepsych.com/river%20dea...

I have to go to sleep now that I see the NH page has been removed, will have to look for caches tomorrow

Have you actually read any of his "stuff". I have several times. In at least one instance in the drowned men he uses no evidence of trauma before death as proof that it was a possible serial killing. Serial killer experts also consider some of what he says wrong because serial killers don't want a victim to die from hypothermia without them around. They go through a lot of effort and trouble specifically to be there when the person dies. There is so much wrong with what I have read that its hard to begin to ask some of the questions I would want to ask. I see a pattern that is very similar to psychics. That is they say many things, most are wrong, but they capitalize on the one out of 1000 that is correct. The other trick is to not actually know when the predictor makes the "prediction". They show the corrected or first prediction after the fact. I don't know if Dr. Godwin is accurate or if his method has merit or not but there are many red flags on his methods.

Jeff

Wowzer,

I owe you a huge apology. I thought you wrote that you had a similiar level of education as Dr. Godwin. That's why I wrote what I did, again so sorry.

No my family isn't proud. I should have gone on and completed at least bachelors degree.

Paris,

Great to see you back! Please do download the photo of Silky's white mountain lilies to your desktop to invoke Archangel Gabriel.

NH only has a Room & Meals (tourist) tax and a property tax.

The Tourist revenues are significant to the state of New Hampshire. That's what I was getting at.

No Wowzer, the a majority of my friends and family fall within the category of those whom pay through the nose in propety taxes living on the coast.

Lady Gray,
Am I the only person who finds it odd that little ole HPD would have such power
to tell the FBI thanks but no thanks!
Sorry the FACTS are they where involved
there wasn't enough evidence for them
to stay involved!
You yourself state there is a power struggle doesn't it seem LIKELY that
the family friend who wasn't on the case but worked for the FBI to save face that they where not welcomed on teh case? Isn't that possible since you where in deed not there?
Also if HPD/NHSP met with the FBI in Keene NH how is you can lead people to
believe they where not involved?
Fred refused to listen to them on the car how do we really know what else Fred
refused of the FBI and that is FACT!
You have NH LE publicly stating the FBI had involvedment.
I strongly believe there is not way any NH LE had enough power to just brush off
the FBI if they thought they had a right to be on the case!

Lady Gray wrote:

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FBI did work on the Amherst connection from the perspective of interviewing UMass students and Maura's high school friends in Mass and they were ready to collaberate with NH law enforcement. However, FBI has to be invited by the overseeing jurisdiction to work on the case.
FBI involvement stopped when the FBI agent that was working with the Murray family called a family member and told them, as per instructions from NH area law enforcement, that the FBI's assistance in NH was not needed.
"Not trying to take over the board.....just giving FACTS."

Ahh but a serial killer is so much more
appealing than a young lady who left
her dorm without informing her family
who drove off in a car she wouldn't even drive around town!
What gets more attention?
Towns of uncaring people with poor LE that need to be saved or Towns with many caring people who offered help and where refused by the young lady.
Sadly serial killers are more appealing than the truth in any town not just ours!

Jefferson wrote:

Have you actually read any of his "stuff". I have several times. In at least one instance in the drowned men he uses no evidence of trauma before death as proof that it was a possible serial killing. Serial killer experts also consider some of what he says wrong because serial killers don't want a victim to die from hypothermia without them around. They go through a lot of effort and trouble specifically to be there when the person dies. There is so much wrong with what I have read that its hard to begin to ask some of the questions I would want to ask. I see a pattern that is very similar to psychics. That is they say many things, most are wrong, but they capitalize on the one out of 1000 that is correct. The other trick is to not actually know when the predictor makes the "prediction". They show the corrected or first prediction after the fact. I don't know if Dr. Godwin is accurate or if his method has merit or not but there are many red flags on his methods.
Jeff

White Wash wrote:

Lady Gray,
Am I the only person who finds it odd that little ole HPD would have such power
to tell the FBI thanks but no thanks!

So far, yes. This is, as both Lady Grey and I stated, a fairly common occurrence. Unless there was a crime committed that is FEDERAL in nature, the LOCAL PD has jurisdiction. Sorry, but that's just the way the law works.

Sorry the FACTS are they where involved
there wasn't enough evidence for them
to stay involved!

Care to elaborate on those facts by sharing them with us?

I strongly believe there is not way any NH LE had enough power to just brush off
the FBI if they thought they had a right to be on the case!

As stated above, if the FBI had any jurisdictional right, they would have asserted that right. Unless it's a federal crime, they have to be invited. A federal crime is something that (a) breaks a federal law, or (b) a crime is committed that involves the crossing of a state line, just for two examples.

For instance, if it could be proven that Maura were abducted in MA and forcibly taken to NH, the FBI could get involved of its own accord.

From their own website, located at fbi.gov

"Q. If a crime is committed that is a violation of local, state, and federal laws, does the FBI "take over" the investigation?
A. No. State and local law enforcement agencies are not subordinate to the FBI, and the FBI does not supervise or usurp their investigations. However, through cooperation, the investigative resources of the FBI and state and local agencies often are pooled in a common effort to investigate and solve the cases. In fact, many task forces composed of FBI Special Agents and state and local officers have been formed to locate fugitives and to address serious, recurring crime such as terrorism and street violence."

Jefferson and all,

I live in Minnesota and recall the young man in 2004 who wandered off drunk from a bar, only to be found "that way" in the river. There were others, and because I indirectly knew of one victim, I would listen to all reports. It was confusing and frustrating. Similar things were happeneing in Wisconsin..........I'm not a "psycic" but I thought these deaths all sounded the same.
Then a few months back they decided to do a special report to reveal a common thread in most all these deaths, never known to the public.

That smily face, painted by "someone" at every place a body was found. I'm not sure why they decided the public should know this, but it gave me the creeps. All these years, they knew this and finally tell us, why?

The more I read about Dr Godwin, the more I see how he ticks. He takes this, that, and the other info about a crime or mysterious death and maps it out based on a gazillian cases he studies. I guess when you study and map it out like he does you can almost predict with a sound judgement where someone might be, depending on the crime.

I found a video of Dr Godwin talking about his methods and he is very thoughtful when he speaks.

Tracker provides a rare and dramatic look inside cases such as the:

I-95 Snipers
BTK (Wichita, KS Serial Killer)
Baton Rouge serial killer - Derrick Todd Lee
Slave Master - Internet serial killer - John Robinson
Special sections on: The Dru Sjodin Case
Missing Person Case - Maura Murray
Special Epilogue: How to avoid being a victim
Tracker presents former police officer Maurice Godwin’s method of psychological and geographic profiling which is revolutionizing the way police track and capture serial killers. Forget Silence of the Lambs; Hannibal Lecters, and Clarice Starlings do not exist. The public believes that the FBI is protecting us from this most deadly of human predators, but the FBI profilers never caught a serial killer. The profiles they turn out are based on interviews with thirty-six convicted killers, out of which only twenty-five were serial killers. Conducted in 1978, the study has since been condemned as statistically and demographically invalid. Recently courts have begun throwing out some profilers’ testimony, with judges ruling that the profiles amount to little more than voodoo. In contrast, Maurice Godwin uses inductive analysis, environmental psychology, behavioral psychology, crime site information, and other factors to create the most accurate psycho-geographical profiles available. In Tracker, we learn that "[Godwin's] work is based on the collection and critical analysis of over 100,000 data points and 200 different crime scene actions that could be used to profile the killer." Godwin explains, "Instead of relying on interviews with murderers, I studied specific pieces of behavioral information available from the crime scene or case file to develop a psychological profile of the killer and to pinpoint where he lives." Godwin further states, "I’m more interested in getting in the killer’s shoes rather than his mind."

No such luck, Wowzer. I do have quite an active life, nor am I a "poor girl" - which really shows your mindset, more than you intend. I'm here to stay. Deal with it, or not.

Part of a chat session, because Godwin says he cannot talk about the cases he's working on, I'm posting this. In my looking today, I keep seeing pages taken down that were there, when it comes to Maura Murray and/or missing in NH cases he is involved in. They did exist and have been taken away even in caches.
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Brick_Slayer asks: Isn't the fascination of the public a contributing factor to serial killers actions
gabby_28_2000 asks: But didn't Bundy want the attention &spotlight?
ctv_will: How many are just glory hounds?
Dr. Godwin: The cases that I am working on now are still unsovled, therefore, it would not be professional to discuss them - I hope you understand.
ctv_will: Of course.
Dr. Godwin: Bundy loved to read about himself in the papers. But, did Bundy want to get caught? NO, he wished that he could kill and kill for years.

Thought worth posting.......
Release Date: January 24, 2008 - Hit & Run



The Concord Police Department is asking the public for their assistance in identifying the suspect in a recent hit and run accident.


On January 22nd at approximately 12:26 pm Officers of the Concord Police Department responded to the intersection of South State Street and Fayette Street to investigate a motor vehicle collision. Officers arriving at the scene learned that one of the vehicles involved had fled the scene.

The victim explained that he was northbound on South State Street when he observed a maroon sedan approaching from the rear at a high rate of speed. The maroon vehicle then rear-ended the victim’s tan colored Buick. The victim’s vehicle sustained rear-end damage. The victim sustained minor injury.

Witnesses at the scene stated that the suspect vehicle, a maroon colored sedan, fled northbound on South State Street after the accident. The witnesses observed front end damage to the suspect vehicle and also indicated that the airbags had deployed.


The Concord Police is seeking to locate the suspect vehicle and identify the operator.

sorry, wrong place to post this, I guess, but I was on Maura Murray site/area and it said see other Concord crimes and this seemed interesting. I wasn't thinking.