Where is MAURA MURRAY

just me wrote:

<quoted text>OUCH

just me, I apologize, I may be a bit on the edge!

It is correct that this (Topix) board is an unmoderated one, which means that it will probably not be a mirror image of the MMM board, despite the frequent efforts of several members of both boards to make it so. Such a desperate effort to suppress all but one view of Maura Murray’s disappearance only brings suspicion on itself. If these posters were truly dedicated to finding out what happened to Maura, they would welcome the variety of opinion so generously and honestly offered by the public, not acidly spurn it. If a school bus driver and construction worker can be accused of deliberately confusing the facts, then the same criticism can be leveled at the posters who suppress a broader search for the facts. These posters spend more time harassing and ridiculing those who recommend a more enlightened approach than they spend trying to actually solve this case. Their constant drumbeat of “sticking with the facts” is nothing more than a sham designed to conceal the truth by pretending to be looking for it – looking for it in a place where, in fact, it does not exist. The Murray family have been badly duped by the “assistance” of these people whose real intention is to cover up the true story of what happened to Maura Murray by browbeating everyone who disagrees with them. The last thing they want is for the real facts to emerge.

claysoup. there really is not question on MM sight nor here, the real truth will emerge from the facts exposed and no amount of harrassment you dish out will prevent that. You are doing quite well to get far away from the subject of Maura.

anyquestion wrote:

<quoted text>just me, I apologize, I may be a bit on the edge!

It's ok and thank you, I do understand and realize how I sound at times.

Claysoup I agree with just about everything you said and I'll say this again, your writing skills are something to be envied.

MMM is a good bunch of people who don't want to keep defending Maura's actions. I think they try to steer clear of the days leading up to the accident to keep her privacy that's all. Maura was driving in NH and something happened to her that she up and apparently vanished. You realize how inaccurate things are starting with that first police report. It's frustrating but thanks to you and everyone else we might be getting somewhere.

claysoup wrote:

It is correct that this (Topix) board is an unmoderated one, which means that it will probably not be a mirror image of the MMM board, despite the frequent efforts of several members of both boards to make it so. Such a desperate effort to suppress all but one view of Maura Murray’s disappearance only brings suspicion on itself. If these posters were truly dedicated to finding out what happened to Maura, they would welcome the variety of opinion so generously and honestly offered by the public, not acidly spurn it. If a school bus driver and construction worker can be accused of deliberately confusing the facts, then the same criticism can be leveled at the posters who suppress a broader search for the facts. These posters spend more time harassing and ridiculing those who recommend a more enlightened approach than they spend trying to actually solve this case. Their constant drumbeat of “sticking with the facts” is nothing more than a sham designed to conceal the truth by pretending to be looking for it – looking for it in a place where, in fact, it does not exist. The Murray family have been badly duped by the “assistance” of these people whose real intention is to cover up the true story of what happened to Maura Murray by browbeating everyone who disagrees with them. The last thing they want is for the real facts to emerge.

I am very curious what your enlightened approach to solving the disappearance of Maura Murray is??? Please tell me more! Especially since you have offered nothing yet!

The solution is simple. Those posters who advocate a narrow view of Maura’s disappearance and who also attack others simply for holding a different opinion can confine their attacks to the MMM board, where they are obviously already welcome. Those with either a narrow or a broad view can speak their minds freely here with the understanding that differences of opinion should be debated on the contents and merits of those opinions alone, not on whether they are diversionary or represent an attempt to interfere with an investigation. In short, the attackers can confine their attacks to the MMM board and the tolerant will not be badgered on the Topix board. This gives every poster what he or she needs. Does anyone disagree with this?

I think it would be great if all posters could offer their thoughts about Maura's disappearance freely and openly. However, there's a big difference between, on the one hand, constructive disagreement with another poster’s opinions and, on the other hand, attacking another poster simply because he or she holds those opinions. Any effort made to silence or chase off people who are honestly trying to discuss this case should be viewed as nothing more than an attempt to conceal the truth. Shutting people up has never uncovered the truth. An open mind has nothing to hide and nothing to fear - except attack by the guilty.

Lady Gray wrote:

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Just thought of something, how about Skye?

Skye is scared it sems that way anyway..
She is not a shy person when her bf is ripping a person off though,,

Skye is street smart and is from Portland Me. and she tells people that she has been disowned and talks CM up in some ways,, I don't believe anything she says about anything,, I don't believe anything told to me in general.

It is tyme for an arrest of alot of people and watch them squirm and watch them sqeel on each other. Retards!!

I am so sick of people screwing up on the job in the police dept. and murders and goverment conspiracies!

I want the truth sqeezed out of these liers in this cast of fools.. as there is a ring of thieves and they are so small time it is crazy and they think thier untouchable too. Star is who? A cop? a man? a Woman!! Maybe..

Happy Memorial day to all the families who have lost a loved one and to everyone who has lost a loved on in thier life! The G Unit!

If someone has something relevant and valuable to say, I doubt that they'd be so easily "run off" by someone "insulting" them by asking them to back up confusing or misleading statements with something resembling facts or evidence. Disagreement, you'll be surprised to hear, is not necessarily an unspeakable personal affront (or, more dramatically, an ATTACK, for heaven's sake)- if anyone thinks it is, it would be a good time to grow up and recognize that fact.
No one can be "shut up" by mere disagreement, unless they really, really want to be "shut up."

And if anyone thinks that it's a "narrow view of Maura's disappearance" to strongly suspect foul play, well, that's too bad. There is plenty of reason to suspect foul play, perhaps more than some may realize. You are welcome to your opinion, as am I.

claysoup wrote:

The solution is simple. Those posters who advocate a narrow view of Maura’s disappearance and who also attack others simply for holding a different opinion can confine their attacks to the MMM board, where they are obviously already welcome. Those with either a narrow or a broad view can speak their minds freely here with the understanding that differences of opinion should be debated on the contents and merits of those opinions alone, not on whether they are diversionary or represent an attempt to interfere with an investigation. In short, the attackers can confine their attacks to the MMM board and the tolerant will not be badgered on the Topix board. This gives every poster what he or she needs. Does anyone disagree with this?

Amen On That! There are exceptions if another person comes in with a crime of serios nature and wants to vent properly here too!

I first want to preface the following by saying that I am going on the assumption, which almost everyone else appears to hold, that Maura was abducted and murdered. To be perfectly correct about this, there is no real proof that I’m aware of that she was, in fact, the victim of any crime whatsoever. I am just going to assume it in a sort of long-term provisional sense.

So… The way I look at Maura’s disappearance, or any other disappearance that resists explanation, is to place the known facts into one or more contexts. As I’ve said before, this is called deductive reasoning. All of us use it every day simply to get through the day. There is nothing wrong with it.(For those who don’t already know this, my username on the MMM board is EagleArt, but my real name over there is mud, I’m afraid… or worse! I likewise encourage others to divulge any multiple identities.)

I don’t think it’s wrong to believe that Maura may have committed suicide, but I don’t think such a belief is useful and it can actually be dangerous because it tends to rule out the possible immediate presence of a killer. Until a body or a suicide note or something that is really determinative is found, there is no way a suicide theory can progress beyond the speculative. A suicide issue doesn’t accomplish anything beside causing Maura’s family and close ones unnecessary anguish and it may also cause some to be less observant of important clues – or facts - or cause them to simply let down their guard when they shouldn’t.

The issue of Maura’s privacy has been raised and I think that’s an excellent point. My feeling about her privacy is that it is simply wrong to discuss anything that may tarnish her memory – unless it leads to discovering her and, hopefully, her killer. It doesn’t matter whether Maura was a drunken flirt or an emotionless drill instructor. Even if she knowingly increased the chance of her being attacked, it is wrong to say she is somehow to blame for it. That line of thinking yields zero results every time.

It’s getting late. More later…

Well let me tell you one thing, Sophie Bean... It's a straight up and down indisputable fact that I have many very fond memories of the Brunswick Diner and their breakfast menu. I had my eggs over easy with sausage, wheat toast, and home fries. So there! That's my opinion and I'm stickin' to it!

...but, of course, I've had exactly this same discussion on the other forum. The difference is that I'm using the same name here as I do there - but really, the style is pretty obvious.

You're still absolutely right - I think it's despicable to insist that a young woman who is missing for 4 years is missing because of her own character flaw of some sort. If you want to discuss those "theories" here, however, you won't get the same arguments from me that you would on the board paid for and maintained by her family. Clearly, my reasoning on that point continues to elude some people.

Perhaps it would be more helpful for Maura to discuss her case here, and leave the running of an entirely separate forum where it belongs. Egos heal quite easily, hearts not so much.

I've got no idea how Topix generates a location, but I'm nowhere near Brunswick.

sophie bean wrote:

...but, of course, I've had exactly this same discussion on the other forum. The difference is that I'm using the same name here as I do there - but really, the style is pretty obvious.
You're still absolutely right - I think it's despicable to insist that a young woman who is missing for 4 years is missing because of her own character flaw of some sort. If you want to discuss those "theories" here, however, you won't get the same arguments from me that you would on the board paid for and maintained by her family. Clearly, my reasoning on that point continues to elude some people.
Perhaps it would be more helpful for Maura to discuss her case here, and leave the running of an entirely separate forum where it belongs. Egos heal quite easily, hearts not so much.

What I don't understand is why not the two way street? I say something and if it's innaccurate, you maybe should ask/inform me about it. I do it, I see things that I dispute yet I wait to hear more and see where it goes. There's a reason for everyones involvement here and I am always reminding myself of that. When people get on me or correct me, I just think about it, maybe protest a little but I think about it and try to find out once and for all because I want to be right too! But when someone seems to be so against, even to the point of making me out to be a piss ant, I feel like what's the use. I've been through hell and high water and I don't spend all this time for my ego, no. I owe this to Maura because at the time that this happened to her, I was on high alert myself. I feel that Maura and Brianna were like angels to me, really and truely lighting the way so I would stay safe with a dangerous situation I had no control over. One day I stayed home to watch the news which made me late, which saved me from that bullet. I know ya'll want to stay on the subject and not hear about me but I need to explain this. I almost felt like leaving but then I realized that this is a really good thing going on here. You can just glide on by what I have to say if I have nothing for you but stop the inuendos please. My heart matters too and I can tell the difference in tones. I never don't listen when someone is caring enough to correct me. But just like a dog if I can sense the tone is bad, I get defensive. Helena is very open minded and reminds me gently to respect everyones right to say what they will. And Helena devotes all of her time to this so if she can be tollerant/patient/accepting/re spectful/appreciative, so should we. Hopefully I won't be harping anymore, I only want to bring justice for Maura and Brianna. And that reminds me, we ALL stray here at times talking about Floyd, Brianna and the other than Where is Maura topic. That's what I mean by 2 way street. And when you cut in to stop me or anyone else you ARE taking a stand and who are you to do that. I am NOT addressing this to you Sophie Bean, I have quoted you above but this is not aimed at you what I say here now. Anyone who tries to stomp out a flame should do that if they really have to, but try to let others/outsiders even have their say. This is an on going conversation and it should remain as pleasant as possible until all is said. Thanks and sorry for taking up so much bandwidth

sophie bean wrote:

...but, of course, I've had exactly this same discussion on the other forum. The difference is that I'm using the same name here as I do there - but really, the style is pretty obvious.
You're still absolutely right - I think it's despicable to insist that a young woman who is missing for 4 years is missing because of her own character flaw of some sort. If you want to discuss those "theories" here, however, you won't get the same arguments from me that you would on the board paid for and maintained by her family. Clearly, my reasoning on that point continues to elude some people.
Perhaps it would be more helpful for Maura to discuss her case here, and leave the running of an entirely separate forum where it belongs. Egos heal quite easily, hearts not so much.

May I ask sophie bean why you think it might be helpful to Maura to discuss her case here on Topix when you posted tonight on the MMM site that the posters here were spewing nonsense not worthy of you repeating on the MMM site.
A perfect example of what claysoup was trying to say.
Arrogance and superiority and making fun of the people that post here by saying what they write is nonsense is certainly not going to help in any way shape or form.
Yes I agree that there are some posts that would be considered nonsense but there are also some caring people here that are only trying to help and are being driven away.

claysoup wrote:

The solution is simple. Those posters who advocate a narrow view of Maura’s disappearance and who also attack others simply for holding a different opinion can confine their attacks to the MMM board, where they are obviously already welcome. Those with either a narrow or a broad view can speak their minds freely here with the understanding that differences of opinion should be debated on the contents and merits of those opinions alone, not on whether they are diversionary or represent an attempt to interfere with an investigation. In short, the attackers can confine their attacks to the MMM board and the tolerant will not be badgered on the Topix board. This gives every poster what he or she needs. Does anyone disagree with this?

Tell them all about it as I agree with you!

Time to take a step back. I do not see how this forum is productive at this point and time. Also, I do not agree with all posts nor do I need to. Each of us is entitled to our own opinion.

Take care all.......

I wouldn't for a moment question that some of my posts have sounded and in fact been angry. There has been a "theory" implied that there's a "lot of traffic between western MA colleges and the White Mountain big resort hotels.
I wanted to know what this was supposed to mean.
If you read the MMM forum, you will find a post by EagleArt/claysoup which makes that assumption and includes a specific reference to the kind of connetion between the two locations. I repeatedly asked EA what s/he meant to present as a theory as to why that's important and what it has to do with Maura.
EA has yet to post either answer, although the implication if you read the post in question is clear.

When I see any "theory" which is nothing more than an attempt to attack Maura's character in some way (which many of us would not even consider to be grounds for thinking any less of her!)- I become angry. The implication that I see, not stated openly or honestly, is that her "lifestyle" somehow caused her to go missing.

I'm absolutely baffled by anyone not understanding why that makes me angry. She's not here to "defend" herself (as if her character needed defending?). Attacks and insinuations about her personal life all lead far, far, far away from the possibility of a crime that wasn't "caused" by her "lifestyle."

NH LE attacked Maura's character by insisting throughout the media on the imaginary role of alcohol in her disappearance. Why did they do that? Could it be to cover up their own guilt and negligence?
Do you understand why I find any "inquiring minds wanna know" questions about Maura's character and "lifestyle" suspicious?

I have never attacked Maura's character or implied that she is responsible for her own abduction - assuming she was, in fact, abducted. There is no kind of "lifestyle," preference, or orientation that I find offensive or immoral unless it's used for immoral purposes. For example, if your lifestyle involves French kissing chickens in a graveyard at midnight, that's your business. But if your "lifestyle" is one of robbing banks, then I have a problem it. Kissing chickens is a non-issue. Robbing banks is a very big issue.