Where is MAURA MURRAY

elsewhere,

Thanks for your kind words - much appreciated!

Half Moon,

Just wanted to say welcome here. As you can see, Maura has got her supporters even in far-away Scandinavia...
I´m sure we all look forward to your participation here. We certainly need new ideas, thought and input to perhaps see this heart-breaking riddle from a new perspective.

Advocator,

Hope you are keeping well. Hope to see you back here soon!

Elsewherebriefly,Thank you so much. I am not an intruder just an observer. I will do some more research. I have looked over some of those sights and from the things I have read here, everyone is on the same page. All the thoughts that I wondered if anyone was thinking yet, you all have thought of. The one question I have of you before I go on is, does Maura's mom have anything to back up her feeling that she is alive? Oh and one more question, does ANYONE here think she is alive?

I will leave you all alone until I have done more homework, but again thank you for the info.

Euro, thank you , nice to meet you and I hope I can add something here. I will certainly try.

Eurobserver wrote:

Yes, I certainly do believe that Maura is still around, somewhere.

Identical conclu-shawn

Eurobserver wrote:

Call it an intuitive feeling or whatever....

Psychic predic-shawn?

Eurobserver wrote:

Why isn´t she making herself known, you may well ask.

No Internet Connect-shawn?

Eurobserver wrote:

There may be many reasons for that:

Soon to come Supposit-shawn...

Eurobserver wrote:

Stress-induced memory loss,

B.S. Rea-sawn

Eurobserver wrote:

a fear of something/someone,

Reasonable specula-shawn

Eurobserver wrote:

perhaps being kept captive

Unjustified incarcarat-shawn

Eurobserver wrote:

I´m thinking of the sighting of the Maura look-alike in that convenience store in NH in 2006, as mentioned on Wikipedia and also here on this forum and on the ex-MMM board.

Ruled out resolu-shawn

hi Half moon and welcome .nice to have a fresh brain here.the police logs an the accident reports and dispatch log does not make any sense time wise .i believe the saturn was at the weathered barn before the Westmans heard anything and called 911.as for Mauras prior life before she vanished .that is a mystery.where she worked at the mystery gallery, where and when she did her clinicals and where and what her class schedule was is still unknown HERE.did Maura have a class the a.m. she vanished we are not allowed to know yet.when i have asked about her prior life i have been banished from the MMM site or told to 'be careful'.Most of the information came from the now closed MMM site which was ran by someone that never met Maura.some of the things that are known cannot be posted here.i expect to get the usual how dare you's from my post .i also expect to get no answers about Mauras prior lfe but i do hope you will stick around and give some fresh thoughts.There is nothing to put her in Amherst after mrMuray dropped her off feb 08 04.take care philip

whiston wrote:

hi Half moon and welcome .nice to have a fresh brain here.the police logs an the accident reports and dispatch log does not make any sense time wise .i believe the saturn was at the weathered barn before the Westmans heard anything and called 911.as for Mauras prior life before she vanished .that is a mystery.where she worked at the mystery gallery, where and when she did her clinicals and where and what her class schedule was is still unknown HERE.did Maura have a class the a.m. she vanished we are not allowed to know yet.when i have asked about her prior life i have been banished from the MMM site or told to 'be careful'.Most of the information came from the now closed MMM site which was ran by someone that never met Maura.some of the things that are known cannot be posted here.i expect to get the usual how dare you's from my post .i also expect to get no answers about Mauras prior lfe but i do hope you will stick around and give some fresh thoughts.There is nothing to put her in Amherst after mrMuray dropped her off feb 08 04.take care philip

Ah Whiston did you forget that the known clinicals that Maura had as to where and when were answered for you several times on MMM? It really doesn't matter that the administrator that ran the MMM site never met Maura. What does matter is that the administrator has dedicated the last 4 1/2 years trying to help in the search for Maura. Many who have never met Maura have reached out in some way to help in our search for Maura. And this we are very greatful for.

On Feb 9th, 2004, A dorm mate said she saw Maura leaving UMASS campus between 4-4:30, wonder who that was.
So what are you thinking whiston.....that somebody else went to her room and sometime in the wee hours of the night looked up directions from a computer *in* that room.........what are you saying? Fred dropped his daughter off Sunday and Maura visited with whomever who later stated Maura didn't even say a peep about the accident the night before. That Maura acted normal, like nothing was wrong.
I wish we could learn more about whatever might be on that computer since UMASS police talked to students, faculty and friends and didn't take any of that info into the public light. They are not even involved anymore as far as we know.
They combed the computer but did they really look at cookies, trash bin, did they take a long, hard look at any and all contacts made........
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but Maura was on campus Sunday, Sunday night and most of Monday.

Thanx You....Citigirl.

Scorpion Bowl

Still Here....

Maura's prior life...let me try. Good kid, loved her family very much. Did well in school and played lots of sports. Sister Julie was at West Point and Maura gave it a go right out of high school. She made it through the required time period and decided it was not for her. She had met and fallen in Love by then and transferred to UMASS Amherst. Summer was spent with the Love of her life and her dad whenever possible. Fall 2003 she goes back to another 'year' at school. Her car's a mess so it's in park most of the time. It's 2nd semester, she's been working at an art gallery (off campus)? and also night security for her building......
It's holiday break and she runs to and fro, lining up a job for the summer in OK where Billy was stationed at the time, celebrating holidays and ring shopping.....then gets back to campus around January 31st and likely has lots of stuff to put away, sort through, whatever. She had classes all but one day due to weather. I have no idea what her work hours were. But let's go to Thursday where she just falls to pieces. Fred would like to know what that's all about too because he knows her best and has difficulty with the concept that she was visibly shaken. We know she talked to Kathleen early on.....sister says no big deal. Interesting here is that Kathleen seems blase, like she thinks Maura was trying to get out of work and seems to that imply that Maura might fake something like this. Julie and Kathleen know her best too, so I don't know.
But *somebody* called from within the building,*to* her security phone. We know this because campus police verified a call received but professed not to know who it was.
If Maura decided that night that she just had to run off, she sure kept her cool through the weekend with family and friends.
Here's a question: when did Fred buy that car he was driving.....a month prior, 2 months, 2 weeks, what?
Maura felt bad but was assured by those who knew it would all be worked out. Billy did think something *else* was bugging her when she called and told him what happened with the car.
So I can "see" in my own mind someone who has too much going on and is keeping it bottled up. It may have everything to do with that call but Petrit Vasi would know if there was a suspect. Campus police would jump on the fast rumor of Maura somehow being involved. They'd want to see her car, wouldn't they? So who called, who moved on and where is Maura?

please forgive me for skipping over anything as I really don't know her life story but thought I would give it a try.........

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Ah Whiston did you forget that the known clinicals that Maura had as to where and when were answered for you several times on MMM? It really doesn't matter that the administrator that ran the MMM site never met Maura. What does matter is that the administrator has dedicated the last 4 1/2 years trying to help in the search for Maura. Many who have never met Maura have reached out in some way to help in our search for Maura. And this we are very greatful for.

If, as it has been said, she was in her first semester of clinicals, and the semester had just started the week before, she probably wouldn't have done any clinicals yet. Unless of course, this was her second semester of clinicals, which would mean that she may have had one or two days of clinical the previous week, but that's it for the semester, due to UMass Amhersts late start date. Since the MMM forum is no longer available, can someone remind me of where they were?

hi citigrl and all.as i remember it was posted on the mmm site that Maura was in norwwod M.A. and Holyoke on feb 04 and 05 .it was posted as a maybe.nothing else about her schedule was posted.if you are telling us that it is not possible for Maura to have left before monday p.m. then please show us why.the only fact again we have about Maura after she vanished is her fathers car being found in N.H.there are many facts that can be verified in Amherst and prior.i am really not here to argue the facts .maybe someone could post a list about what is deemed not to be asked and why .i am not here to trash Maura .what the hell good is that. take care philip

I really do know what you're saying and all we can do is keep looking for answers.
That Saturn was concidered Maura's car even though no title transfer. You're right, nobody who knew Maura could ID her in NH. Even the bolo changed.....too odd. I think you made a very good observation as to the carbeing there before the Westmans noticed it and called. Makes more sense all the time.
Question: If there are two airbags and *no* passenger, does that bag really go off anyway? I seiously don't know....

Elsewhere..or anyone...wouldn't notifying NHSP (Hubbard...?) and/or Weeper be preferred to the families mail "Find Maura"...as to tips or information...?(Just my own personal feeling...
I would call Weeper) If ONLY I could/would
get any tip or find information.

Euro, I really truly wish I could feel like you do...feeling that Maura is still...
I drive those roads...by Tarleton, Rte 25, 10, Lily Pond, Pike etc etc...and I feel....a sadness that I can't rationalize.

Paris, great run down of Maura's last days
before NH.
Citigirl, nice to hear your voice.
Welcome Half Moon

Yes, Paris, the airbag will go off in the passenger seat if there's no one in it.

Half Moon, welcome. Your "location" isn't where your computer is located, it's where your server connection is being hosted. Sometimes mine will give an extremely odd location that's somewhere in a 50-mile radius of where I am (when I'm at work) but for the most part mine doesn't even specify. So don't worry about that. Your modem is obviously "talking" to a computer in Reading MA, is all.

Not ignoring anyone, not ignoring Maura at all....just really (freakin') busy.

Paris, did you get the DVD of the 20/20 special yet? I sent it out...um....Friday, I think?

Well I found a place to jump in here. I am sure you all have been over this, as I have still not read every post. However, I am in the autobody business. What I can tell you is, depending on the year and make of a car, the passanger seat has a sensor. The bag will NOT go off unless that sensor is activated. However, that being said, something as heavy as a loaded back pack, suitcase, and sometimes a large purse, makes the sensor think that someone is in that seat and it will go off! I do not know which year and make of cars have the sensor. BUT someone must, like oh, I dont know, the police? Also, I have been catching up on this story just recently. Being in NH , I remember the story, but didnt follow it until recently. So, I looked at the pics briefly. Again, being in the business I have seen a LOT windshields with head imprints. NEVER that high on the glass. I am sure I will get attacked for this, but was she wearing her seatbelt? Another thought. I believe they said the wine was splashed on the interior roof of the car. Another thing I have never seen. IF you drive over a speed bump that is huge, maybe!! But if you step on the brake (try it sometime) with a drink in your hand, your hand and the liquid go forward , not up. Finally, before I wear out my welcome here as a first timer, I am sure it has been discussed somewhere, but the driver's bag WILL go off with no one in the seat. Just ask a wrecker driver or autobody man. That is why they disconnect the battery on sight. After a hard impact that does not deploy the bag, the slightest bump , even with no one in the seat, can cause deployment. Has there ever been an accident reconstruction team there? There is a great one Hampton, NH. Thanks for letting me chime in, I hope something I said is of value, and hope to contribute more after I am better educated.

Fire Cat, after typing my long post, I see you have posted that it will go off. I could be wrong, but have never seen it. That doesnt mean that I have seen all scenarios in my business. Just what I have seen myself. That is the only facts I am going by, the particular cars that we have worked on over the years. Certainly dont want to offend or argue on my first day here.

Thanks all, hello Half Moon, Shack.
Firecat, thank you, I did get the mail today. But the DVD is showing as blank on this and the spare laptop. I'll bring it to work tomorrow, home computer is being rebuilt. Anyway, it might not have copied, and I will let you know then.

Still thinking about passenger airbag going off, if it should not have......and/or if it was deployed sooner and so cut out.

Shack,

I thought about Weeper first and foremost but refrained from posting his information without his permission first. My parents raised me that way, blame them (wink).

Half Moon was inquiring about remaining anonymous while submitting tips. I have, personally, found that when you contact NHSP they ask you for your name and telephone number then have a detective call you back. I contacted NHSP about Laurice Milton Raynor, a serial rapist here in NC, having ties to ME/VT/NH.

Half Moon,

I believe an expert accident reconstructionist did evaluate Maura's vehicle as well as the accident scene.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but it was determined by the accident reconstructionist that the spider crack on the inside of the winshield was caused by something metal from above.

Do you think that Maura's watch, a cumbersome and very expensive man's designer watch that belonged to her dad before he gave it to her, could have caused the spider crack on the windshield?

Silky/Beth noted that the airbag was removed at some point after the accident and mentioned that she believed the person who removed the airbag was left handed by the pattern of the cut marks.

Although it is pure speculation, and my overactive imagination, I've often wondered if a struggle may have ensued and the perpetrator was left handed holding something metal that may have hit the interior of the windshield. Again this is pure speculation on my part.

paris wrote:

On Feb 9th, 2004, A dorm mate said she saw Maura leaving UMASS campus between 4-4:30, wonder who that was.
So what are you thinking whiston.....that somebody else went to her room and sometime in the wee hours of the night looked up directions from a computer *in* that room.........what are you saying?

I'm not going to speak for whiston - but I think something bad could have happened to Maura prior to her setting an unexplained course of action. Sometime after ahe last talked with her Dad. So far it has been said that the family hasn't seen the picture of her at ATM and Liquor store.

From family responses - every possible explanation of the car driver's actions gets a "that's not like Maura" reaction.

I Give the family the benefit of the doubt when they say that her leaving was unlike her.

Next step is to consider, if in fact, it was not her.

That would mean that just around 11:00 Sunday night - she was assaulted in some way - someone that looked somewhat like her plus a guy that smokes - barging in her dorm room. More likely that a criminal would look for someone that appears like one of the accomplices, rather then by chance to have one of the accomplices happen to look like Maura at a far away place. The reverse situation is not an evil miracle, but instead an evil plan.

After the barge in, she would have been threatened in some manner and her ATM PIN number obtained from the threat. The criminal might have then done the unspeakable. Got some booze. Then the criminal notices her book on the White Mountains and places the bookmark in an errie place - decides to make it confusing, planning to leave the car far away from the crime scene - at the White Mountains to create confusion, because she had a book on the White Mountains.

Problem with this however, is that I would think the FBI would check for signs of blood in her room. I would think they could differentiate between Maura and a look alike. I would think they would check for prints in her room. But then again these mistakes happen more then we would like to believe.

I don't think that the Maura-look-alike was counting on the SBD arriving -(picking someone that looked alike could have been why she was picked to give investigators doubt as to if it were her)- but it helped anyway.

If she made it out of Amherst and got the money and booze herself - I can't see how what happened could have happened without some sort of collusion to wisk her away - but explaining why there would be a motive to do such a thing is beyond explainable.